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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 30, 2014 14:15:07 GMT -5
Ah, but he IS a rascal and he goes further about it here: "If only you go deep into the fact of being and discover the vastness and the glory, to which the ‘I am’ is the door, and cross the door and go beyond, your life will be full of happiness and light. Believe me; the effort needed is as nothing when compared with the discoveries arrived at." and here: "The door that locks you in is also the door that lets you out. The ‘I am’ is the door. Stay at it until it opens." and here: "The ‘I am’ is in the world but it is the key which can open the door out of the world." Well, there he goes with "the I am" again, and I can't follow him through that imaginary door. Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear!
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 31, 2014 7:59:42 GMT -5
"Look at yourself steadily – it is enough. The door that locks you in is also the door that lets you out. The ‘I am’ is the door. Stay at it until it opens. As a matter of fact, it is open, only you are not at it."
"Tirelessly I draw your attention to the one incontrovertible factor – that of being. Being needs no proofs – it proves itself. If only you go deep into the fact of being and discover the vastness and the glory, to which the ‘I am’ is the door, and cross the door and go beyond, your life will be full of happiness and light."
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Post by zendancer on Jul 31, 2014 9:23:30 GMT -5
"Look at yourself steadily – it is enough. The door that locks you in is also the door that lets you out. The ‘I am’ is the door. Stay at it until it opens. As a matter of fact, it is open, only you are not at it." "Tirelessly I draw your attention to the one incontrovertible factor – that of being. Being needs no proofs – it proves itself. If only you go deep into the fact of being and discover the vastness and the glory, to which the ‘I am’ is the door, and cross the door and go beyond, your life will be full of happiness and light." In these quotes it seems to me that Niz is pointing to a state of simple non-conceptual/non-reflective Being in which thoughts are so distantly peripheral that they have no "weight." I could be misinterpreting him, but he seems to be suggesting that even the non-verbal sense of "I am" was initially generated by some sort of earlier reflective activity. Reading these quotes posted by JLY makes me feel like sitting down and going silent for a way more extended period of time than usual. Ha ha. If nothing else, it arouses my scientific curiosity.
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Post by enigma on Jul 31, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -5
Ah, but he IS a rascal and he goes further about it here: "If only you go deep into the fact of being and discover the vastness and the glory, to which the ‘I am’ is the door, and cross the door and go beyond, your life will be full of happiness and light. Believe me; the effort needed is as nothing when compared with the discoveries arrived at." and here: "The door that locks you in is also the door that lets you out. The ‘I am’ is the door. Stay at it until it opens." and here: "The ‘I am’ is in the world but it is the key which can open the door out of the world." To call a man that did not write in English a rascal, is a bit narrow-minded. Acknowledge that all these writings have been translated out of Niz's native language, and we would probably, and almost certainly lose this objectification of the 'I am'. I figger that too. I don't question his understanding, just ours.
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Post by enigma on Jul 31, 2014 9:46:25 GMT -5
Well, there he goes with "the I am" again, and I can't follow him through that imaginary door. Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear! What will disappear? The state, the sense of being or the knowledge 'I am'?
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Post by laughter on Jul 31, 2014 10:02:08 GMT -5
Well, there he goes with "the I am" again, and I can't follow him through that imaginary door. Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear! Who wrote the commentary?
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Post by enigma on Jul 31, 2014 12:36:43 GMT -5
Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear! Who wrote the commentary? Nobody knows. He just disappeared right after he wrote that!
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 31, 2014 13:37:51 GMT -5
Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear! Who wrote the commentary? Here is the Nisargadatta Gita on AmazonHere's what Amazon says about it: "The Nisargadatta Gita was first released on the internet in February 2008; since then it has been acclaimed worldwide as one of the best expositions of the teachings of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and used as a meditation manual by many. The essence of the teaching has been expressed in a very clear and lucid style. The Nisargadatta Gita Gita has only one chapter 'I AM', which consists of 231 condensed quotes of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj along with a short commentary on each quote. These quotes have been prepared from a collection of 572 'I AM' quotes compiled from 10 main books (Beginning with 'I Am That') which cover almost all the recorded dialogues of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. This third edition is the first official printed version and has an appendix titled I Am That - A Realization, which is a tribute to the Guru by his disciple.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:29:10 GMT -5
To call a man that did not write in English a rascal, is a bit narrow-minded. Acknowledge that all these writings have been translated out of Niz's native language, and we would probably, and almost certainly lose this objectification of the 'I am'. I figger that too. I don't question his understanding, just ours. It's easy to see how sitting in complete silence can be a necessary teaching method.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 31, 2014 19:13:18 GMT -5
Niz: "The birth principle is ‘Turiya’ (the fourth state) which means ‘where consciousness is’.
Niz Gita Commentary: Careful observation of the whole process of reproduction, either sexual or other types prevalent in nature, has shown that it is a strongly self assertive phenomenon. Every living species wants to propagate and perpetuate and the self assertive ‘I am’ is the birth principle that is integral to the whole process. Since the birth principle was difficult to define or classify, it was simply called ‘Turiya’ by the ancient thinkers. The word ‘Turiya’ means ‘the fourth’, i.e. the fourth state of consciousness that lies at the very base of the other three, which are: waking, dream and deep sleep. It also means ‘where the consciousness is’.
Niz: "The experience that ‘I am’ or you exist is ‘Turiya’. One who knows ‘Turiya’ is ‘Turiyatita’ (beyond the fourth state), which is my state." Niz Gita Commentary: The ‘Turiya’ is absolutely fundamental to your being and usually you are not aware of that state due to your cycling through the other three states which you are well aware of. The ‘Turiya’ is the ‘I am’ in its pure wordless form and the one who understands and transcends it is called ‘Turiyatita’ (the one beyond the fourth state), which is the state of the Guru.
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Post by laughter on Jul 31, 2014 19:14:20 GMT -5
Who wrote the commentary? Here is the Nisargadatta Gita on AmazonHere's what Amazon says about it: "The Nisargadatta Gita was first released on the internet in February 2008; since then it has been acclaimed worldwide as one of the best expositions of the teachings of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and used as a meditation manual by many. The essence of the teaching has been expressed in a very clear and lucid style. The Nisargadatta Gita Gita has only one chapter 'I AM', which consists of 231 condensed quotes of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj along with a short commentary on each quote. These quotes have been prepared from a collection of 572 'I AM' quotes compiled from 10 main books (Beginning with 'I Am That') which cover almost all the recorded dialogues of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. This third edition is the first official printed version and has an appendix titled I Am That - A Realization, which is a tribute to the Guru by his disciple. ok, thx.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 31, 2014 21:00:34 GMT -5
I figger that too. I don't question his understanding, just ours. It's easy to see how sitting in complete silence can be a necessary teaching method. Sitting in complete silence is a demonstration of a useful way to pay attention.. if others mimic that 'way', they will not drown out other perspectives with the constant broadcasting of their own.. in silence there is little to question, the happening is the consequence of its own happening, so if the consequences create instability and conflict, 'silence' makes changes without devolving into mind-play and debate about beliefs.. deeds are the signature of the doer's understanding, individually and collectively..
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Post by Reefs on Aug 1, 2014 11:47:35 GMT -5
Niz: "Go on to know the 'I am' without words, you must be that and not deviate from it for even a moment, and then it will disappear." Niz Gita commentary: The knowledge 'I am', to which you have to come back, is the very first one that appeared on you and you came to know that 'you are'. At that moment you knew nothing about words or language, that sense of being was non-verbal. You will have to apply yourself to grasp that state again, you have lived that state, it was the period from when the 'I am' arose till you were taught to communicate verbally using words. Come back to that state and do not deviate from there for even a moment, you have to relive that state, only then will you understand it and then it will disappear! Who wrote the commentary? Tom, D?ck and Harry.
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Post by laughter on Aug 1, 2014 12:24:40 GMT -5
Who wrote the commentary? Tom, D?ck and Harry. (** moe, larry and curly snicker **)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 16:08:40 GMT -5
It's easy to see how sitting in complete silence can be a necessary teaching method. Sitting in complete silence is a demonstration of a useful way to pay attention.. if others mimic that 'way', they will not drown out other perspectives with the constant broadcasting of their own.. in silence there is little to question, the happening is the consequence of its own happening, so if the consequences create instability and conflict, 'silence' makes changes without devolving into mind-play and debate about beliefs.. deeds are the signature of the doer's understanding, individually and collectively.. If it has been planned beforehand, then the disingenuous tone of it can be detected.
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