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Post by enigma on Dec 25, 2012 13:50:01 GMT -5
This is the discussion thread for "The Daily Niz". Here you can post your comments about Nisargadatta or anything else related.
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Post by laughter on Dec 25, 2012 13:55:32 GMT -5
"Experience, however sublime, is not the real thing. By its very nature it comes and goes. Self-realization is not an acquisition. It is more of the nature of understanding. Once arrived at, it cannot be lost." ( __________________________________________________) |
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Post by Reefs on Dec 25, 2012 22:14:05 GMT -5
Sounds like Ramana. ;D
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Post by enigma on Dec 25, 2012 23:25:12 GMT -5
It seems the view from Mt WooWoo is always the same. It's just the view from the village below that seems to vary.  |
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Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2012 12:18:39 GMT -5
“All you want is to be happy. All your desires, whatever they may be, are longing for happiness. Basically, you wish yourself well...desire by itself is not wrong. It is life itself, the urge to grow in knowledge and experience. It is choices you make that are wrong. To imagine that some little thing-food, sex, power, fame-will make you happy is to deceive oneself. Only something as vast and deep as your real self can make you truly and lastingly happy.”  The Sage takes ownership of the 'H-word' ! Now c'mon Andrewtemp, it wasn't as if we need any further evidence of Enigma's ability to channel Niz' .... or do you think that he was fibbing when he said he never read the book? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2012 19:17:29 GMT -5
"What is birth and death but the beginning and the ending of a stream of events in consciousness? Because of the idea of separation and limitation they are painful. Momentary relief from pain we call pleasure - and we build castles in the air hoping for endless pleasure which we call happiness. It is all misunderstanding and misuse. Wake up, go beyond, live really." Yes as thin into his work as I am right now I see him doing this alot: grabbing ahold of a word and giving it a contextual meaning different from the concensus: this quote establishes the conventional use of "happiness", while Andrew's is where he takes possession of it for his own. It makes the distinction he's pointing up come into even greater relief than if the words had been arranged a different way. It seems to me that this is perhaps why his words have survived him so well. I've said this before several places E, when I first saw the name of your website domain what came to mind was the fact that the police can lie to a suspect in order to gain evidence of a crime.  |
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Post by enigma on Dec 26, 2012 20:57:24 GMT -5
"What is birth and death but the beginning and the ending of a stream of events in consciousness? Because of the idea of separation and limitation they are painful. Momentary relief from pain we call pleasure - and we build castles in the air hoping for endless pleasure which we call happiness. It is all misunderstanding and misuse. Wake up, go beyond, live really." Yes as thin into his work as I am right now I see him doing this alot: grabbing ahold of a word and giving it a contextual meaning different from the concensus: this quote establishes the conventional use of "happiness", while Andrew's is where he takes possession of it for his own. It makes the distinction he's pointing up come into even greater relief than if the words had been arranged a different way. It seems to me that this is perhaps why his words have survived him so well. I've said this before several places E, when I first saw the name of your website domain what came to mind was the fact that the police can lie to a suspect in order to gain evidence of a crime. If, by that, you mean leading the witness or setting up or deceiving the reader, I plead guilty. I subscribe to the notion that if one knew where he was going he would already be there, and so I assume that, though the seeker understands what he wants, it's not likely to have much to do with what he needs. That's why I talk so much trash here. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2012 21:09:04 GMT -5
yeah, got all that some time ago. ;D ... yes that is exactly what I was referring to.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 26, 2012 22:55:02 GMT -5
It seems the view from Mt WooWoo is always the same. It's just the view from the village below that seems to vary. Yes, lots of smoke from lots of concept ciggy chain smokers down there in the village. Also lots of talk down there about how to redefine the fog so they can have a clear view at the mountain and still keep on smoking. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 26, 2012 22:58:58 GMT -5
It seems the view from Mt WooWoo is always the same. It's just the view from the village below that seems to vary. Yes, lots of smoke from lots of concept ciggy chain smokers down there in the village. Also lots of talk down there about how to redefine the fog so they can have a clear view at the mountain and still keep on smoking. It's really just a matter of being comfy and at ease with the smokey, disorienting fog. |
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Post by Reefs on Dec 26, 2012 23:27:01 GMT -5
Well, Ramana and Niz are saying exactly the same. Almost identical words. And not in the slightest paradoxical, not even 'apparently paradoxical'.
Temp really has it upside down. His capital letter Self-Realization is like a sundown, on sundown you don't see things as they are anymore, so on capital letter Self-Realization he has left the 'seeing everything as it is' behind and now stands firmly in the world of illusion.
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Post by andrew on Dec 27, 2012 3:52:11 GMT -5
Well, Ramana and Niz are saying exactly the same. Almost identical words. And not in the slightest paradoxical, not even 'apparently paradoxical'. Temp really has it upside down. His capital letter Self-Realization is like a sundown, on sundown you don't see things as they are anymore, so on capital letter Self-Realization he has left the 'seeing everything as it is' behind and now stands firmly in the world of illusion. Niz has a book called 'Experience of Nothingness' which in itself, is a paradoxical title! I have even seen it described as 'delicious paradox', which is a nice way to describe it. Ramana has described the paradox of Self-Realization, I think I gave a quote. In Self-Realization, dualities have no bearing on the clarity....illusion/reality has no bearing on the clarity. So even though you speak as if clarity is truthing, it seems that for you, clarity is still minding. |
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Post by Beingist on Dec 27, 2012 13:24:06 GMT -5
Reality is paradoxical.
-Niz
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Post by zendancer on Dec 28, 2012 8:34:42 GMT -5
Reality is NOT paradoxical.
ZD
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Post by andrew on Dec 28, 2012 8:39:46 GMT -5
Unless it is.
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The Sage takes ownership of the 'H-word' ! 
