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Post by tzujanli on Aug 1, 2014 19:40:42 GMT -5
Sitting in complete silence is a demonstration of a useful way to pay attention.. if others mimic that 'way', they will not drown out other perspectives with the constant broadcasting of their own.. in silence there is little to question, the happening is the consequence of its own happening, so if the consequences create instability and conflict, 'silence' makes changes without devolving into mind-play and debate about beliefs.. deeds are the signature of the doer's understanding, individually and collectively.. If it has been a planned beforehand, then the disingenuous tone of it can be detected. ? if what has been planned beforehand ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 6:53:33 GMT -5
If it has been a planned beforehand, then the disingenuous tone of it can be detected. ? if what has been planned beforehand ? Sitting in complete silence can only ever be done spontaneously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 8:59:29 GMT -5
silence is nothing to write home about
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 2, 2014 10:55:09 GMT -5
? if what has been planned beforehand ? Sitting in complete silence can only ever be done spontaneously. Perhaps from your perspective, but certainly not as a limitation applicable to others.. i can intend to sit in silence, and then do so.. Are you open to the possibility that sitting in silence can be intentional, or are you confined by the belief that it can "only ever" be spontaneous..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 12:44:22 GMT -5
Sitting in complete silence can only ever be done spontaneously. Perhaps from your perspective, but certainly not as a limitation applicable to others.. i can intend to sit in silence, and then do so.. Are you open to the possibility that sitting in silence can be intentional, or are you confined by the belief that it can "only ever" be spontaneous.. In the capacity of teaching, sitting in complete silence can only ever be spontaneous.
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Post by freejoy on Aug 2, 2014 13:51:44 GMT -5
"I AM" ...so how does one think about "I Am?" Okay, I am. Just go round saying I am? I seem to just come up with a blank and that's probably the whole point to the I Am.
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Post by enigma on Aug 2, 2014 15:12:43 GMT -5
"I AM" ...so how does one think about "I Am?" Okay, I am. Just go round saying I am? I seem to just come up with a blank and that's probably the whole point to the I Am. I Am pretty sure it is.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 2, 2014 18:59:33 GMT -5
Niz: "When the meditator forgets himself totally in meditation, it is ‘vishranti’ which means complete relaxation ending in total forgetfulness. This is the blissful state, where there is no need for words, concepts or even the sense of ‘I am’. The state does not know ‘it is’ and is beyond happiness and suffering and altogether beyond words; it is called the ‘Parabrahman’ – a non-experiential state."
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Post by enigma on Aug 2, 2014 20:25:39 GMT -5
Niz: "When the meditator forgets himself totally in meditation, it is ‘vishranti’ which means complete relaxation ending in total forgetfulness. This is the blissful state, where there is no need for words, concepts or even the sense of ‘I am’. The state does not know ‘it is’ and is beyond happiness and suffering and altogether beyond words; it is called the ‘Parabrahman’ – a non-experiential state." Nice of him to describe his experience of his non-experiential state. Serially, yes, there is obviously a non-thinking state, though I wouldn't call it a non-experiential state if one can remember that experience. (No words, concepts or I am's running around. Not dualistically engaged in happiness and suffering.) We talk about it all the time, we just don't have a cool enough para-name for it. We'll work on that. Best not to turn it into something extraordinary lest you place it out of reach. It is the most natural state, before mind is picked up.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 2, 2014 20:46:15 GMT -5
Niz: "When the meditator forgets himself totally in meditation, it is ‘vishranti’ which means complete relaxation ending in total forgetfulness. This is the blissful state, where there is no need for words, concepts or even the sense of ‘I am’. The state does not know ‘it is’ and is beyond happiness and suffering and altogether beyond words; it is called the ‘Parabrahman’ – a non-experiential state." Nice of him to describe his experience of his non-experiential state. Serially, yes, there is obviously a non-thinking state, though I wouldn't call it a non-experiential state if one can remember that experience. (No words, concepts or I am's running around. Not dualistically engaged in happiness and suffering.) We talk about it all the time, we just don't have a cool enough para-name for it. We'll work on that. Best not to turn it into something extraordinary lest you place it out of reach. It is the most natural state, before mind is picked up. Who is "we"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 2:58:39 GMT -5
Nice of him to describe his experience of his non-experiential state. Serially, yes, there is obviously a non-thinking state, though I wouldn't call it a non-experiential state if one can remember that experience. (No words, concepts or I am's running around. Not dualistically engaged in happiness and suffering.) We talk about it all the time, we just don't have a cool enough para-name for it. We'll work on that. Best not to turn it into something extraordinary lest you place it out of reach. It is the most natural state, before mind is picked up. Who is "we"? You're not actually interested in what is being said by either Niz or Enigma, are you?
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 3, 2014 8:27:42 GMT -5
You're not actually interested in what is being said by either Niz or Enigma, are you? How interested are you in the understandings that are not in agreement with the beliefs Niz describes?.. that seems to be the decline of this forum, that understandings not aligned with advaitist ideology are ostracized criticized ridiculed and mocked for not changing the understandings that there is 'no one' there to change.. the new forum visitor is told they have no volition for changing their understandings, then they are ostracized criticized ridiculed and mocked for not changing the understandings.. the power structure of this forum is intolerant of understandings not aligned with its own.. The Advaitist ideology is a stepping stone to clarity, and clarity attaches to no ideology.. clarity sees what 'is' and accepts it 'as is', without shaping it to conform to the limitations of an individualized perspective..
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 3, 2014 8:55:42 GMT -5
"The primary ignorance is about our ‘I amness’; we have taken it as the Ultimate, which is ignorance. We presume that this consciousness is the eternal, the Ultimate, which is the mistake."
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Post by enigma on Aug 3, 2014 9:58:58 GMT -5
"The primary ignorance is about our ‘I amness’; we have taken it as the Ultimate, which is ignorance. We presume that this consciousness is the eternal, the Ultimate, which is the mistake." Who is this "we"? Every opportunity has been taken to disclaim that objectification of 'I am', and I've criticized Niz, or at least the translation of his words, for doing the same. ("the I am")
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Post by silence on Aug 3, 2014 10:40:24 GMT -5
"You must forget all my teachings because alas, I am but a crazy old man and made all of this up out of thin air" -Niz
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