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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2012 23:41:03 GMT -5
Things get quiet I guess yeah, but it's more like things stop existing. When I come off the computer I feel awful. I forget what I've been doing all day and I need to snap myself back into reality to become less of a walking zombie. How do I know that the void you are speaking of is the same one I speak about? Cos maybe you are talking about a void that doesn't feel like one is drifting into madness, while the one I seem to sense feels like total loss of mental stability and a murky pool of suppressed emotional pain. Are we talking about the same void? An utterly depressing blackness bleak beyond description? I feel like when I am not thinking about myself I am drifting into annihilation. Btw, thanks for the replies, it's been very educational, especially Zendancer and Andrewtemp There isn't a void thing we can talk about. There is the minds reaction to what it sees as it's own annihilation. Going insane, irrational terror, purposeless anxiety, an eternity of purgatory like suffering etc. etc. You mentioned the void a long time ago and I responded simply by saying to explore it. Nothing has actually changed since then. You're just making horizonatal movements until you do. Horizonatal sounds like some kind of lateral rebirth of some sort. Maybe Midnight's on the right track after all.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2012 23:42:04 GMT -5
That strikes me as callous and unkind. Don't worry. There was a "lol". Nothing to see here. Okay, moving on............
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Post by silence on Dec 18, 2012 3:03:22 GMT -5
There isn't a void thing we can talk about. There is the minds reaction to what it sees as it's own annihilation. Going insane, irrational terror, purposeless anxiety, an eternity of purgatory like suffering etc. etc. You mentioned the void a long time ago and I responded simply by saying to explore it. Nothing has actually changed since then. You're just making horizonatal movements until you do. Horizonatal sounds like some kind of lateral rebirth of some sort. Maybe Midnight's on the right track after all. Yes. Step two is accepting korean jesus into his heart.
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 18, 2012 3:04:58 GMT -5
Never mind....14,600 posts and your own website and now a history of judging me says you probably won't hear me anyways....lol Moving on................... That strikes me as callous and unkind. Maybe a little, just my way of showing my displeasure to being unfairly judged . My apologies.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2012 3:15:24 GMT -5
Horizonatal sounds like some kind of lateral rebirth of some sort. Maybe Midnight's on the right track after all. Yes. Step two is accepting korean jesus into his heart. No sweat.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2012 3:20:05 GMT -5
That strikes me as callous and unkind. Maybe a little, just my way of showing my displeasure to being unfairly judged . My apologies. You seem very sure that you have been. Can you be absolutely certain?
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 18, 2012 3:28:16 GMT -5
Maybe a little, just my way of showing my displeasure to being unfairly judged . My apologies. You seem very sure that you have been. Can you be absolutely certain? What? Judged? most definately sure . Unfairly? no, but that's irrelevant
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2012 3:29:37 GMT -5
Okay, are you clear on how language and symbology function, "logic and grammar" inform the mind, what happens within the mind's functioning is actually beyond most people's understanding.. maybe you are different, but i'm only seeing a pejorative intent, a reasonable indication of a 'self' not liberated.. anyway, it seems that you believe " space, time and all kinds of other stuff" equates with " bondage and confusion", which is evidence of your attachment to your preferred ideology.. can you 'let that go', and just see what is happening without judging "bondage and confusion"? " all kinds of other stuff" is vague and subjective, hardly consistent with " rules that create meaning by connecting the dots in a certain way", unless " you weren't really aware of what you were typing, that your fingers were just moving and when 'post reply' was clicked and you saw what had been written, you were kinda surprised what just had been coming thru your fingers".. is this " how it works with this text format"? Dear new member.. As forum history shows a lot of misunderstandings in discussions arise simply because the members involved not necessarily are speaking the same language and are sometimes not even operating under the same set of logical rules. So this current conversation with you was just some kind of highspeed pre-screening to see if we speak the same language and operate under the same set of rules. If so, then we can go on and talk about the more subtle stuff. If not, then we'd better stop right here. You, dear Tzu, take mind as an entity. I don't, I take mind as a process, so I use it as a verb and not as a noun. To you, dear Tzu, stillness and silence are a state of mind. To me, stillness and silence are prior to minding. You see, we are speaking not the same language. Additionally, you replied in a eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth style which easily leads to a debate about who is the more enlightened one, Tzu or Reefs. You told me what I should drop. Why would you do that? I could easily point out several things for you to drop in return. But I don't think that's the way to go, at least that's not what I prefer right now. You see "a pejorative intent, a reasonable indication of a 'self' not liberated", an interesting choice of words, indeed. I'd say you are projecting, because I was basically only talking about the consistency of logic and choice of words and actually wanted to keep it on that rather abstract level, but you somehow took that personally and saw that as questioning your state of clarity? Is that defensiveness? That wouldn't be an ideal basis for a better mutual understanding. So you see, there seems to be something essential missing for a meaningful conversation between the two of us. good luck..
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Post by Peter on Dec 18, 2012 3:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by relinquish on Dec 18, 2012 3:37:33 GMT -5
I don't seem to be finding an actual difference between an 'entity' and a 'process'. That is to say that entity is process, process is entity.
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Post by whiteshaman on Dec 18, 2012 3:41:35 GMT -5
Okay, are you clear on how language and symbology function, "logic and grammar" inform the mind, what happens within the mind's functioning is actually beyond most people's understanding.. maybe you are different, but i'm only seeing a pejorative intent, a reasonable indication of a 'self' not liberated.. anyway, it seems that you believe " space, time and all kinds of other stuff" equates with " bondage and confusion", which is evidence of your attachment to your preferred ideology.. can you 'let that go', and just see what is happening without judging "bondage and confusion"? " all kinds of other stuff" is vague and subjective, hardly consistent with " rules that create meaning by connecting the dots in a certain way", unless " you weren't really aware of what you were typing, that your fingers were just moving and when 'post reply' was clicked and you saw what had been written, you were kinda surprised what just had been coming thru your fingers".. is this " how it works with this text format"? Dear new member.. As forum history shows a lot of misunderstandings in discussions arise simply because the members involved not necessarily are speaking the same language and are sometimes not even operating under the same set of logical rules. So this current conversation with you was just some kind of highspeed pre-screening to see if we speak the same language and operate under the same set of rules. If so, then we can go on and talk about the more subtle stuff. If not, then we'd better stop right here.You, dear Tzu, take mind as an entity. I don't, I take mind as a process, so I use it as a verb and not as a noun. To you, dear Tzu, stillness and silence are a state of mind. To me, stillness and silence are prior to minding. You see, we are speaking not the same language. Additionally, you replied in a eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth style which easily leads to a debate about who is the more enlightened one, Tzu or Reefs. You told me what I should drop. Why would you do that? I could easily point out several things for you to drop in return. But I don't think that's the way to go, at least that's not what I prefer right now. You see "a pejorative intent, a reasonable indication of a 'self' not liberated", an interesting choice of words, indeed. I'd say you are projecting, because I was basically only talking about the consistency of logic and choice of words and actually wanted to keep it on that rather abstract level, but you somehow took that personally and saw that as questioning your state of clarity? Is that defensiveness? That wouldn't be an ideal basis for a better mutual understanding. So you see, there seems to be something essential missing for a meaningful conversation between the two of us. good luck.. and yet you didn't 'stop right there'.
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Post by midnight on Dec 18, 2012 9:37:20 GMT -5
Midnight, Thanks for taking the time to acknowledge all this non-dual non-will that seems ever available here. This is the four-letter L-word in action dude. Whadya' think topo', a sign of "progress"? Listen Midnight, please promise me that when there's no more Midnight that you'll come back here and set me well if I ever meditate my way to the edge of one of those big bad face-melty super-voids, ok? Haven't seen a tantrum this time around, midnight sounds a little more present and able to consider others input a little more than when he was here several months ago. I see relative progress. Lol, thanks I'd say my mind is more focused now, particularly after moving away from home and getting a job while at Uni. I don't have time to space out as much. hehe. Overall I feel better superficially, but I know that this needs to be resolved in order for me to move on, so I appreciate the input thus far, really, thank you everyone.
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Post by midnight on Dec 18, 2012 9:42:41 GMT -5
Things get quiet I guess yeah, but it's more like things stop existing. When I come off the computer I feel awful. I forget what I've been doing all day and I need to snap myself back into reality to become less of a walking zombie. How do I know that the void you are speaking of is the same one I speak about? Cos maybe you are talking about a void that doesn't feel like one is drifting into madness, while the one I seem to sense feels like total loss of mental stability and a murky pool of suppressed emotional pain. Are we talking about the same void? An utterly depressing blackness bleak beyond description? I feel like when I am not thinking about myself I am drifting into annihilation. Btw, thanks for the replies, it's been very educational, especially Zendancer and Andrewtemp There isn't a void thing we can talk about. There is the minds reaction to what it sees as it's own annihilation. Going insane, irrational terror, purposeless anxiety, an eternity of purgatory like suffering etc. etc. You mentioned the void a long time ago and I responded simply by saying to explore it. Nothing has actually changed since then. You're just making horizonatal movements until you do. Well, I am very wary of the void because I have always been quite a sensitive individual and highly prone to anxiety and misery, so really I guess I have reached an impasse - you are going to repeat telling me to look into that void and I am going to be too terrified to do so, not really fully trusting your advice because.... well... lets face it, this is the internet thanks tho
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Post by topology on Dec 18, 2012 9:54:40 GMT -5
Haven't seen a tantrum this time around, midnight sounds a little more present and able to consider others input a little more than when he was here several months ago. I see relative progress. Lol, thanks I'd say my mind is more focused now, particularly after moving away from home and getting a job while at Uni. I don't have time to space out as much. hehe. Overall I feel better superficially, but I know that this needs to be resolved in order for me to move on, so I appreciate the input thus far, really, thank you everyone. If you want to plug back into society, Uni is the perfect place to do it at. Get involved in an organization. Start a discussion or social group over a subject you care about. If you want to cultivate meaning in your life, you have to invest time and energy into the things that are meaningful to you.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2012 10:44:32 GMT -5
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