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Post by midnight on Dec 9, 2012 18:52:38 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it.
This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them?
Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care.
Discuss.
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Post by relinquish on Dec 9, 2012 19:16:18 GMT -5
To see that there isn't actually a real separate self is to see that reality isn't actually a case of ''Me' and 'not Me''.
What you think you are has much that is apparently 'other' than it. What you actually are is without another.
You don't actually need to be afraid. All that scares you is in the mind. You didn't put it there, and you can't get it out. Just let it be there, and look beyond it the same way that you look beyond the movement of the windscreen wipers on your car when you drive in the rain.
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Post by topology on Dec 9, 2012 19:34:39 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. Stillness's advice is really quite brilliant. Your own pointing to the ideal state isn't one with or without a 'self-thing' It is a state of existence without reflective or "self-conscious" thought. Reality is the way it is, and has always been that way. It is simply how you think about reality and that you believe your thoughts that is causing you such trauma. Look past your thoughts. Ignore them and do what needs to be done in the present moment.
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Post by silence on Dec 10, 2012 1:50:49 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. I don't think you saw anything. I think you convinced yourself of something that seemed logically plausible. I think you did so for the same reason people go to satsangs. You thought you would get something. The problem is that you're now reaping the unbearably debilitating effects of such a belief.
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Post by relinquish on Dec 10, 2012 2:32:07 GMT -5
The Self is ACTUALLY 'one', yet SEEMINGLY 'many'. 'Midnight' is a particular one of those apparent 'many'.
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Post by enigma on Dec 10, 2012 3:05:34 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. I don't think you saw anything. I think you convinced yourself of something that seemed logically plausible. I think you did so for the same reason people go to satsangs. You thought you would get something. The problem is that you're now reaping the unbearably debilitating effects of such a belief. It's a pretty bold statement. I think you're correct.
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Post by relinquish on Dec 10, 2012 3:06:31 GMT -5
The reason why this realization is apparently liberating is because it means that the ENTIRE entity called 'Midnight' can be 'put down', along with every single one of his apparent 'problems', even this problem he is describing in his post. Along with all of his opinions of 'right' or 'wrong', 'good' or 'bad', and everything in between.
This apparently burdensome 'self' known as Midnight doesn't actually exist in anything other than thoughts, emerging effortlessly in an impersonal brain in an impersonal body who apparently lives on an impersonal planet circling an impersonal star, that is one of three hundred billion stars that make up a galaxy that is one of about one hundred thousand galaxies in a super cluster that is one of countless trillions of super clusters in this entire manifestation.
Every one of these apparent 'particular things' are utterly empty of 'their own' actual existence, having no apparent reality separate from all that is apparently 'else'.
This totality is the only thing that's happening, and it isn't real. 'That' which IS real isn't a thing, and it isn't happening.
It is Being.
Actually, you are THAT.
THAT is THIS.
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Post by enigma on Dec 10, 2012 3:15:25 GMT -5
The reason why this realization is apparently liberating is because it means that the ENTIRE entity called 'Midnight' can be 'put down', along with every single one of his apparent 'problems', even this problem he is discribing in his post. Along with all of his opinions or 'right' or 'wrong', 'good' or 'bad', and everything in between. Right, which is why the realization apparently never happened.
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Post by relinquish on Dec 10, 2012 3:19:31 GMT -5
In anything, we can see everything.
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Post by relinquish on Dec 10, 2012 3:29:58 GMT -5
The reason why this realization is apparently liberating is because it means that the ENTIRE entity called 'Midnight' can be 'put down', along with every single one of his apparent 'problems', even this problem he is discribing in his post. Along with all of his opinions or 'right' or 'wrong', 'good' or 'bad', and everything in between. Right, which is why the realization apparently never happened. Or at least why it apparently hasn't happened yet.
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Post by andrew on Dec 10, 2012 4:15:33 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. I think you did realize something but you are now caught in a no-man's land in the sense that you can't go back, and you have been struggling to go forward (I could tell you back and forward is an illusion, but its not relevant to your situation). Many end up in your position, no-one said the process was easy and fun and happy. Unfortunately you really don't seem to have wanted to hear a particular KIND of advice, and I can't see the point right now in offering it again. I remember wishing that I was still living a 'shallow existence', but it seems that that is not your path.
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Post by sharon on Dec 10, 2012 4:41:18 GMT -5
I don't think you saw anything. Yeah, he thought he saw his head come off ;D
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Post by topology on Dec 10, 2012 8:06:39 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. I think you did realize something but you are now caught in a no-man's land in the sense that you can't go back, and you have been struggling to go forward (I could tell you back and forward is an illusion, but its not relevant to your situation). Many end up in your position, no-one said the process was easy and fun and happy. Unfortunately you really don't seem to have wanted to hear a particular KIND of advice, and I can't see the point right now in offering it again. I remember wishing that I was still living a 'shallow existence', but it seems that that is not your path. Andrew, he does need to hear that there is no backwards or forwards. He thinks he can fix his situation, but there's really no problem, nothing to fix. The problem is that he -thinks- there is a problem to fix. There is no problem. He's fine just the way he is, but that is not what he wants to hear.
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Post by andrew on Dec 10, 2012 8:49:30 GMT -5
I think you did realize something but you are now caught in a no-man's land in the sense that you can't go back, and you have been struggling to go forward (I could tell you back and forward is an illusion, but its not relevant to your situation). Many end up in your position, no-one said the process was easy and fun and happy. Unfortunately you really don't seem to have wanted to hear a particular KIND of advice, and I can't see the point right now in offering it again. I remember wishing that I was still living a 'shallow existence', but it seems that that is not your path. Andrew, he does need to hear that there is no backwards or forwards. He thinks he can fix his situation, but there's really no problem, nothing to fix. The problem is that he -thinks- there is a problem to fix. There is no problem. He's fine just the way he is, but that is not what he wants to hear. I would say that first there has to be a level of responsibility taken, a sincere willingness to shift focus and state and to feel better/be okay. Then it might be worth looking at illusions of stuff to fix. And besides, I did tell him there is no backwards and forwards hehe.
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Post by Portto on Dec 10, 2012 9:53:42 GMT -5
I am depressed. I've been prone to misery and negativity since I was a young teen, but these days it's reached a new level and my brain has pretty much shut down as a protective mechanism against it. This happened after seeing that there is no 'self' in thoughts. So what exactly is the big deal? Why do people go to Satsangs? Who would want to find this out? I envy those that never analyse themselves. Those people who are too stupid to question anything. Who wouldn't want to be more like them? Perhaps we could say that it is a more shallow existence - but they wouldn't know about that, or even care. Discuss. The "personal self" tends to be heavy. When the scary self-thoughts stop, there can be lightness. Just as there is no "personal self," there are no others either. People going to satsangs and people who never analyze themselves are the same being you are. First find the truth about your own being and then see what happens with the others.
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