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Post by Beingist on May 22, 2012 23:35:14 GMT -5
Have you ever been really and literally inseparate with a person? No. But you say it's possible to realize Oneness and inseparateness. How can you say that if you don't know what it is? You have never experienced even the inseparateness of the type I am talking about. Oneness is also not an experience. Nor can it be defined, explained, described, perceived, analyzed, disected, bisected, eaten, regurgitated ... Such is the reason why many of us don't even bother trying, anymore, to do anything with the concept of Oneness, but speak of what it isn't.
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Post by arisha on May 22, 2012 23:48:09 GMT -5
Where did I say it's a feeling? "Isn't this feeling similar to some...Oneness?" " I can always know which thoughts are my own, and which ones are his. Isn't this feeling similar to some...Oneness? Everybody can be connected in this way. He showed those states to me. At the beginning too many states of mind, or feelings, or images, or thoughts-feelings -you cannot find words for, - are like switched on with the utmost clarity. But then the brain cannot stand it, and simply collapses. It cannot hold those billion images, or feelings about all, - simultaneously. Then one is able to perceive just nothing, - as somebody said,- the hole of the donut. The Channel can connect two, or more in Oneness. But, sure, not all, - it's too much for a human brain. It's a very special feeling - to be connected. I cannot find words to describe it in the exact way. Because the sensations are different. For ex., there is the sensation which I could call a volumetrical (?) breathing. Like a multidimensional breathing. Does it say anything to anybody? That's why I say I cannot describe many things that I feel. For ex., there are 2D pictures, and 3D pictures, 3D movies. Something like that. But much more complicated. Sometimes the sensation is just on the level of Energy, - but how to describe that?" I say it again: first he showed me what he can do when me, him, and the Teacher met in person. Then, in several weeks, he started the Channel with me distantly. The Teacher had been connected before me, and he is still connected. Oneness is also not an experience. So, this is your answer to my post: Arisha: Enigma, you seem to start pretending that you are a mentally disabled person. Keep on doing that, this is a proof that you simply have no arguments.
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Post by arisha on May 22, 2012 23:53:09 GMT -5
Oneness is also not an experience. Nor can it be defined, explained, described, perceived, analyzed, disected, bisected, eaten, regurgitated ... Such is the reason why many of us don't even bother trying, anymore, to do anything with the concept of Oneness, but speak of what it isn't. I know, I know. Oneness cannot be defined because it's just a fake concept of the mind.
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Post by enigma on May 23, 2012 9:29:48 GMT -5
"Isn't this feeling similar to some...Oneness?" " I can always know which thoughts are my own, and which ones are his. Isn't this feeling similar to some...Oneness? Everybody can be connected in this way. He showed those states to me. At the beginning too many states of mind, or feelings, or images, or thoughts-feelings -you cannot find words for, - are like switched on with the utmost clarity. But then the brain cannot stand it, and simply collapses. It cannot hold those billion images, or feelings about all, - simultaneously. Then one is able to perceive just nothing, - as somebody said,- the hole of the donut. The Channel can connect two, or more in Oneness. But, sure, not all, - it's too much for a human brain. It's a very special feeling - to be connected. I cannot find words to describe it in the exact way. Because the sensations are different. For ex., there is the sensation which I could call a volumetrical (?) breathing. Like a multidimensional breathing. Does it say anything to anybody? That's why I say I cannot describe many things that I feel. For ex., there are 2D pictures, and 3D pictures, 3D movies. Something like that. But much more complicated. Sometimes the sensation is just on the level of Energy, - but how to describe that?" I say it again: first he showed me what he can do when me, him, and the Teacher met in person. Then, in several weeks, he started the Channel with me distantly. The Teacher had been connected before me, and he is still connected. Oneness is also not an experience. So, this is your answer to my post: Arisha: Enigma, you seem to start pretending that you are a mentally disabled person. Keep on doing that, this is a proof that you simply have no arguments. Must be cuz me no comprende your post.
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 11:45:13 GMT -5
How did you accomplish all of this? ;D I was expressing myself accurately, or honestly. And since I pissed you off, I won. I already told you this. Please try to keep up. Or the lion will eat you. Ok, you've convinced me. You kinda remind me of the story of a great King's son. The son has this wonderful vision of being a world class ship-building magnate to further a humanitarian cause. The King tears up at his son's vision, and gives his blessing to the son, and a caveat that he is willing to assist. The son says, "Thank you, but I have to do this on my own." After a good nights sleep, and with his father's blessing, the son heads on off to the Kingdom's Department of Agriculture to manifest his dream.
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Post by lemongrass on May 23, 2012 14:02:07 GMT -5
I was expressing myself accurately, or honestly. And since I pissed you off, I won. I already told you this. Please try to keep up. Or the lion will eat you. Ok, you've convinced me. You kinda remind me of the story of a great King's son. The son has this wonderful vision of being a world class ship-building magnate to further a humanitarian cause. The King tears up at his son's vision, and gives his blessing to the son, and a caveat that he is willing to assist. The son says, "Thank you, but I have to do this on my own." After a good nights sleep, and with his father's blessing, the son heads on off to the Kingdom's Department of Agriculture to manifest his dream. I'm not sure what you mean by dream here. I wouldn't be surprised if you were trying to use it in a negative connotation. Goals and dreams aren't necessarily the same thing. Dreams in the conventional sense imply attachment to one's personalized world vision that is related to sex, conditioned highs, and quite possibly to suffering.
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 14:06:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if you were trying to use it in a negative connotation. You see everything with a negative connotation. Goals and dreams aren't necessarily the same thing. Dreams in the conventional sense imply attachment to one's personalized world vision that is related to sex, conditioned highs, and quite possibly to suffering. It's like reading the journal of someone in prison.
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Post by lemongrass on May 23, 2012 14:13:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if you were trying to use it in a negative connotation. You see everything with a negative connotation. Goals and dreams aren't necessarily the same thing. Dreams in the conventional sense imply attachment to one's personalized world vision that is related to sex, conditioned highs, and quite possibly to suffering. It's like reading the journal of someone in prison. 1. I do not see everything in a negative context. I have the options of judging things negatively. How the other person will react, have to wait and see for that one. 2. Your second comment doesn't make musch sense to me. I just describe reality in a certain way and you say I"m in prison. Wtf?
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 14:29:21 GMT -5
You see everything with a negative connotation. It's like reading the journal of someone in prison. 1. I do not see everything in a negative context. I have the options of judging things negatively. How the other person will react, have to wait and see for that one. 2. Your second comment doesn't make musch sense to me. I just describe reality in a certain way and you say I"m in prison. Wtf? Exactly. WTF. On occasion I'll give a kid in the area a golf lesson. This usually entails patiently listening to a long litany about the golf swing, a diagnosis of what ails their swing, and more discussion about how to swing a golf club. Eventually I have the opportunity to say- "Do you wanna talk about the golf swing, or hit a few?" There's a big difference between the two. Do you really think being a smarmy little prick is going to get you down the fairway?
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Post by lemongrass on May 23, 2012 14:31:45 GMT -5
1. I do not see everything in a negative context. I have the options of judging things negatively. How the other person will react, have to wait and see for that one. 2. Your second comment doesn't make musch sense to me. I just describe reality in a certain way and you say I"m in prison. Wtf? Exactly. WTF. On occasion I'll give a kid in the area a golf lesson. This usually entails patiently listening to a long litany about the golf swing, a diagnosis of what ails their swing, and more discussion about how to swing a golf club. Eventually I have the opportunity to say- "Do you wanna talk about the golf swing, or hit a few?" There's a big difference between the two. Do you really think being a smarmy little prick is going to get you down the fairway? No not really. Cuz there isn't anywhere to go. "Being a smarmy little prick" can piss off people though, like yourself.
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 14:38:45 GMT -5
No not really. Cuz there isn't anywhere to go. You're not going anywhere coz you're stuck. You'd rather play around with your bathroom mirror, and tricks of perception.
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Post by lemongrass on May 23, 2012 14:45:23 GMT -5
No not really. Cuz there isn't anywhere to go. You're not going anywhere coz you're stuck. You'd rather play around with your bathroom mirror, and tricks of perception. You don't know I'm stuck. You're just trying to fullfill your dream of you defeating me.
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 14:50:10 GMT -5
You're not going anywhere coz you're stuck. You'd rather play around with your bathroom mirror, and tricks of perception. You don't know I'm stuck. You're just trying to fullfill your dream of you defeating me. Hardly. Go back and read your exchanges with others here. You've already defeated yourself. There is a way forward. Love yourself. Then you'll have something worthwhile to share.
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Post by lemongrass on May 23, 2012 14:52:15 GMT -5
You don't know I'm stuck. You're just trying to fullfill your dream of you defeating me. Hardly. Go back and read your exchanges with others here. You've already defeated yourself. There is a way forward. Love yourself. Then you'll have something worthwhile to share. No. Pain and violence forever.
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Post by living on May 23, 2012 15:18:56 GMT -5
Hardly. Go back and read your exchanges with others here. You've already defeated yourself. There is a way forward. Love yourself. Then you'll have something worthwhile to share. No. Pain and violence forever. Well, yeah, that's a choice. When I was your age, I used to make that choice, too. I was wild. It took a lot of painful experiences to get out of making choices like that, too. Then, one day, I really hurt a lot of people with a choice I made (I rolled my wife's car one night on the entrance ramp to the Interstate highway, after drinking way too much- 75 feet straight down). Her mom lived with us at the time, and told me, "Art, you can't keep making that choice. It's hurting too many people." I saw the pain in her eyes. So, afterwards, I went upstairs and took a good hard look in the mirror. I realized it was time to make some changes. I didn't like what was looking back at me. My woes didn't end that night. Lot's of repercussions from that choice. But it was a defining moment. Every moment is.
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