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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 18:52:39 GMT -5
"Self Evident Realization"
Guess my self evident realization of late is that Realization is just a pointer, not an ending, and the thing that it points to is a kind of absolute subjectivity, or maybe said a different way, the place where objectivity and subjectivity meet....when the alive profoundly awake flow of experience/phenomena is all there is....a kind of absorption in the utterly awake, unbound, and undifferentiated self.
Said more bluntly, Realizations aren't worth a crap when you are absorbed into your infinite undefinable self.
Realizations point or open toward a state of being that is limitless and boundless and utterly alive and awake....and once your eating that wedding feast, there is no more need for the recipe or the sign posts, no need to describe the wine and how it pairs with the meat and cheese when you are already well into your cups lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 18:58:24 GMT -5
I've been making Louise a regular thing lately, trying to "incorporate" living this life that way, and in most activities I can absorb or detach into the absolute subjectivity fairly easy now, but rather comically, its surprisingly difficult to type a post here WHILE Louise is filling the room so to speak lol Sounds like an old poet's adage (can't remember who said it- Whitman?)- Who you are is speaking so loudly I can't hear a word you say. Something like that... I've done it, but its like trying to not fall out of a big plastic container coated with vegetable oil thats been turned upside down lol Its kinda a fun exercise though ;-) Too unctuous for me to properly relate to. But if it brings you back to presence, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 19:51:42 GMT -5
I've been making Louise a regular thing lately, trying to "incorporate" living this life that way, and in most activities I can absorb or detach into the absolute subjectivity fairly easy now, but rather comically, its surprisingly difficult to type a post here WHILE Louise is filling the room so to speak lol Sounds like an old poet's adage (can't remember who said it- Whitman?)- Who you are is speaking so loudly I can't hear a word you say. Something like that... I've done it, but its like trying to not fall out of a big plastic container coated with vegetable oil thats been turned upside down lol Its kinda a fun exercise though ;-) Too unctuous for me to properly relate to. But if it brings you back to presence, so be it. unc·tu·ous /??NG(k)CHo?o?s/ Adjective (of a person) Excessively or ingratiatingly flattering; oily: "anxious to please in an unctuous way". (chiefly of minerals) Having a greasy or soapy feel. I dunno man....unctuous to you is matter-o-fact to me, seems like when someone mystifies something and then someone ekse talks about it in a mannerism of comonplace matter-o-factness it can sound unctuous....but I've been studying this Samadhi or detachment phenomena closely lately, and it is becoming less and less mystical. I've been taking a psuedo scientifuc approach to going in and out of Samadhi and watching closely what happens. There seem to be some repeatable "triggers" that "induce" the state to a greater or lesser degree. Understanding the triggers and being able to repeat them takes away the romance of the whole thing though, certainly demystifies it all. One of the easiest ways to exoerience a kind of shallow Samadhi is to just blow most, but not all the air out of your lungs then suddenly hold your breath that way while keeping the mind still....pretty easy to do actually, at leadt for 30 seconds or so....but yhere are other ways to do it while walking around and doing stuff.... If more folks practiced these little things I suspect the whole thing would be less mystified, and seem less unctuous when its discussed in a matter-o-fact way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 20:27:47 GMT -5
Sounds like an old poet's adage (can't remember who said it- Whitman?)- Who you are is speaking so loudly I can't hear a word you say. Something like that... Too unctuous for me to properly relate to. But if it brings you back to presence, so be it. unc·tu·ous /??NG(k)CHo?o?s/ Adjective (of a person) Excessively or ingratiatingly flattering; oily: "anxious to please in an unctuous way". (chiefly of minerals) Having a greasy or soapy feel. I dunno man....unctuous to you is matter-o-fact to me, seems like when someone mystifies something and then someone ekse talks about it in a mannerism of comonplace matter-o-factness it can sound unctuous....but I've been studying this Samadhi or detachment phenomena closely lately, and it is becoming less and less mystical. I've been taking a psuedo scientifuc approach to going in and out of Samadhi and watching closely what happens. There seem to be some repeatable "triggers" that "induce" the state to a greater or lesser degree. Understanding the triggers and being able to repeat them takes away the romance of the whole thing though, certainly demystifies it all. One of the easiest ways to exoerience a kind of shallow Samadhi is to just blow most, but not all the air out of your lungs then suddenly hold your breath that way while keeping the mind still....pretty easy to do actually, at leadt for 30 seconds or so....but yhere are other ways to do it while walking around and doing stuff.... If more folks practiced these little things I suspect the whole thing would be less mystified, and seem less unctuous when its discussed in a matter-o-fact way. Watching the breathing is simpler. Blowing most, but not all of the air out of your lungs, then suddenly holding the breath while keeping the mind still sounds like a very complicated maneuver. I'll take a daydream any day over that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 20:32:19 GMT -5
unc·tu·ous /??NG(k)CHo?o?s/ Adjective (of a person) Excessively or ingratiatingly flattering; oily: "anxious to please in an unctuous way". (chiefly of minerals) Having a greasy or soapy feel. I dunno man....unctuous to you is matter-o-fact to me, seems like when someone mystifies something and then someone ekse talks about it in a mannerism of comonplace matter-o-factness it can sound unctuous....but I've been studying this Samadhi or detachment phenomena closely lately, and it is becoming less and less mystical. I've been taking a psuedo scientifuc approach to going in and out of Samadhi and watching closely what happens. There seem to be some repeatable "triggers" that "induce" the state to a greater or lesser degree. Understanding the triggers and being able to repeat them takes away the romance of the whole thing though, certainly demystifies it all. One of the easiest ways to exoerience a kind of shallow Samadhi is to just blow most, but not all the air out of your lungs then suddenly hold your breath that way while keeping the mind still....pretty easy to do actually, at leadt for 30 seconds or so....but yhere are other ways to do it while walking around and doing stuff.... If more folks practiced these little things I suspect the whole thing would be less mystified, and seem less unctuous when its discussed in a matter-o-fact way. Watching the breathing is simpler. Blowing most, but not all of the air out of your lungs, then suddenly holding the breath while keeping the mind still sounds like a very complicated maneuver. I'll take a daydream any day over that. Just watching the breathing is not enough to go right into Samadhi typically, unless you are so practiced at Samadhi that the breath watching almost unnecessary anyway. How is what I said complicated lol Be alert , hold your breath and be still for a moment....if thats complicated....wow lol
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Post by silver on Aug 12, 2013 20:37:11 GMT -5
Watching the breathing is simpler. Blowing most, but not all of the air out of your lungs, then suddenly holding the breath while keeping the mind still sounds like a very complicated maneuver. I'll take a daydream any day over that. Just watching the breathing is not enough to go right into Samadhi typically, unless you are so practiced at Samadhi that the breath watching almost unnecessary anyway. How is what I said complicated lol Be alert , hold your breath and be still for a moment....if thats complicated....wow lol Why the need to hold your breath, when you can just remain the spectator of its natural in - out. Having read a certain book by a Taoist expert, it seems they guide their breath more than manipulate it. Breathing and watching seems to be the main key.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 20:39:30 GMT -5
Just watching the breathing is not enough to go right into Samadhi typically. It's like dying a piece of white cotton in a color. The more you do it, the deeper the color. Breathing slows, mind follows. Simple. You don't have to stand on one foot, almost a full exhale, but not quite, etc. etc.
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Post by laughter on Aug 12, 2013 21:53:30 GMT -5
Hmm, I debate that. It seems to me that when faced with death many many people construct elaborate stories about souls and reincarnation and heaven ... all in an attempt to reassure themselves that "self"/identity carries on after death. Well, unless you are an atheist. Then you are more apt to do things in this life -- having children, gifting money so a building can be named in your honor, winning the Nobel prize, etc -- to leave a legacy with your name attached to it forever and ever (or until the sun goes supernova). When faced with death, it seems to me that self gets ever more creative in its defenses. ok, since I'm in a gabby mood today .. hehe when the decision was made to unhook my sis from the respirator, everyone piled into the room to 'send her off' or whatever. and some background .. she was gay, and so she had a fairly large circle of friends and whatnot, and many of them are 'wacky Christians' hehe. and by the way, my brother and I (who are the last two standing of a fairly large family) were like .. "wtf, who are all these people?, um .. hey guys, maybe we would like this to be a private family affair" (thought it, didn't say it) anyhoo, so they take that contraption out of her throat (which is pretty gnarly btw) and everyone was expecting her to expire fairly quickly, so they started speaking in tongues, or whatever, "go to the light, Momma's waiting for you, take her Jesus" yada yada. ok, so I'm pretty zen like throughout the process, and I'm just observing the spectacle from a detached perspective. and about five minutes into it, after it looks like she was gonna hang on for a while .. I grabbed her hand , said "later sister", and out the door I went... That was quite poignant Dan.
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Post by laughter on Aug 12, 2013 22:09:29 GMT -5
For me, Absolute Subjectivity is what I call Samadhi in English....and what the phrase points to is a kind of "state" of being absorbed in pure undifferentiated awareness, where all experiencial phenomena is is all there....one might say that its the experience of the existence of utterly aware phenomena with no doing and no doer.... This speaks to me of the quality of being. "only utterly aware/awake existence with no doer or doing or experiencer"-----thats the best I can relate Samadhi, or what I call Absolute Subjectivity, or what you call Detachment Samadhi Detachment Is-ness Louise who knows? Hey, I'm feelin' you guys. No joke in this.
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