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Post by acewall on Jan 12, 2012 20:18:10 GMT -5
Then there is the Meditation, where you dissolve as though very-small and in perfect blackness, there arises a burning white radient sun that races towards ones viewpoint, and if arrested midstream......creates blissfullness which gradually permeates throughout ones Body Mind. Meditation on Death can bring about this kind of Grace. Meditation is Good for Doing Nothing!
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Post by lolly on Jan 12, 2012 22:04:55 GMT -5
Meditation is Good for Doing Nothing! I love that saying!
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 13, 2012 15:19:55 GMT -5
Your quote is better like this...the rest was just useless fluff lol....this however, is wonderful. Who are you to merit the contents of my posts? I think the better question would be who does he think he is? I think he believes himself to be a teacher in reading his other posts.....
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Post by acewall on Jan 13, 2012 20:19:49 GMT -5
everyone is a teacher whether they know it or not. All life is in motion. We can learn all over the place, even in here when we have the right attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 20:23:59 GMT -5
yes
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Post by nobody on Jan 14, 2012 21:44:15 GMT -5
This is the best thread I've read in a while. Thanks lolly.
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Post by mamza on Jan 14, 2012 22:41:53 GMT -5
Who are you to merit the contents of my posts? I think the better question would be who does he think he is? I think he believes himself to be a teacher in reading his other posts..... I think Question put an end to this question in another thread recently.
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Post by nobody on Jan 15, 2012 17:49:11 GMT -5
You lost me lolly. You go off into this complex trapez of words and notions. Come back to earth and speak simple English for this dummie. What is it that you want done differently on here? Or is this just a platform thread to preform upon? It's discussion of the process on inquiry for the purpose of refining understanding of it. And... Remain aware of presence and allow the moving world its freedom... This thread reminds me of an article I read by Adyashanti recently: www.adyashanti.org/index.php?file=writings_inner&writingid=12Adya says: In true meditation all objects (thoughts, feelings, emotions, memories, etc.) are left to their natural functioning. This means that no effort should be made to focus on, manipulate, control, or suppress any object of awareness. In true meditation the emphasis is on being awareness; not on being aware of objects, but on resting as primordial awareness itself. Primordial awareness is the source in which all objects arise and subside.And... It is perfectly OK to use a more directed technique such as following your breath, or using a simple mantra or centering prayer, if you find that it helps you to not get lost in thought. But always be inclined toward less and less technique. Make time during each meditation period to simply rest as silent, still awareness. True Meditation is progressively letting go of the meditator without getting lost in thoughtWhy no-one wants to discuss what you suggested, lolly, is beyond me. Thanks for posting.
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Post by lolly on Jan 16, 2012 1:20:23 GMT -5
Thanks nobody.
I think adya is very eloquent and articulate.
I'm personally inclined toward the breath meditation because it is effective in bringing about a silent space of observation.
The main problem with observation techniques such as breath meditation is they tend to maintain a seperation between the subject and the object, but regardless of that, it remains a universally available object which trancends gender race religion etc... and by no means at all can observing breath be considered a sin.
Alot of insight can be gained... for while observing breath one soon becomes aware of how erratic the mind is in swinging into the past and bolting again into future dreams. The meditator then experiences disappointment, for he can not even remain observant for one minute and begins to see how his reactions disrupt contentment... and very often a sense of failure becomes apparent like 'I can't do this' 'I'm terrible at this'...
It takes a while for one to realize that the occurance of that thought 'I....' is at the centre of all these reactions which disturb quiet contentment, but noticing that directly, through each individual's insight, is quite a breakthrough.
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Post by nobody on Jan 16, 2012 2:26:08 GMT -5
The meditator then experiences disappointment, for he can not even remain observant for one minute and begins to see how his reactions disrupt contentment... and very often a sense of failure becomes apparent like 'I can't do this' 'I'm terrible at this'... I'm new to using the breath as the object of meditation. This was my experience exactly. What a frustrating two weeks this has been. Its quite a mess at first because there are those thoughts that have to be dealt with, and there's the challenge of finding the right amount of effort and not controlling the breath. I can see why people give up on meditation really quickly.
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Post by lolly on Jan 16, 2012 3:07:15 GMT -5
The meditator then experiences disappointment, for he can not even remain observant for one minute and begins to see how his reactions disrupt contentment... and very often a sense of failure becomes apparent like 'I can't do this' 'I'm terrible at this'... I'm new to using the breath as the object of meditation. This was my experience exactly. What a frustrating two weeks this has been. Its quite a mess at first because there are those thoughts that have to be dealt with, and there's the challenge of finding the right amount of effort and not controlling the breath. I can see why people give up on meditation really quickly. Most often, at the begining, it seems as though the mind is becoming more agitated, not less, but actually, this is just becoming aware of how agitated it is. The other thing is, when one observes quietly, it allows issues to come to surface of perception, and that can be emotionally trying. (The meditator needs to be cautious about this sensitivity around others, and be gentle with himself. It's kinda like being sunburnt.) Combined, it gives the meditator the impression he is 'going backwards', because he might feel more unsettled than before. When distraction happens accept it like, 'this is the truth of my experience in this moment' (it is), and notice the breath is still happening anyway. Be pleased about it and break habitual disappointment reaction patterns... because only a calm mind can see more deeply.
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Post by nobody on Jan 16, 2012 10:32:33 GMT -5
Most often, at the begining, it seems as though the mind is becoming more agitated, not less, but actually, this is just becoming aware of how agitated it is. This is exactly what my meditation teacher told me. I've gotten to a place where I think very little about past and future issues, but I still have a rather chattery mind (mostly nonsense). Be pleased about it and break habitual disappointment reaction patterns... because only a calm mind can see more deeply. Yeah. That's why I started this whole concentration thing. I got bored of exploration/inquiry at the level of meditation I was at. I started getting curious about how deep I could go. So I am solely going to work on concentration for a while. Once the concentration phase is over, I'm going to go back to exploring the senses and inquiring.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 16, 2012 13:58:04 GMT -5
The wrong way to do meditation, is to do it with some gaining or achieving idea.
Meditation should be done simply, just to do it and that's it.
Getting bored with meditation is a good indicater of ones intentions towards it.
Right practice would be to meditate even if you are bored, tired, lazy, discouraged, or even happy about it.
Meditation is not a means to an end, it is simply a practice.
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Post by lolly on Jan 16, 2012 22:52:49 GMT -5
Concentration.
The observation is a watching, and a simple curiosity is the best.
Important to know that a quiet relaxed mind is the most concentrated mind. In relaxation the mind just becomes more concentrated by virtue of being undistracted.
Mental chatter. If it is there, it is there. The chatter can be like a radio in the backround, you notice it is there, but you don't really listen to it.
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Post by lolly on Jan 16, 2012 23:02:24 GMT -5
The wrong way to do meditation, is to do it with some gaining or achieving idea. Meditation should be done simply, just to do it and that's it. Getting bored with meditation is a good indicater of ones intentions towards it. Right practice would be to meditate even if you are bored, tired, lazy, discouraged, or even happy about it. Meditation is not a means to an end, it is simply a practice. Agree and well said. "Meditation is a process of understanding. Understanding is not a result and it is not something you gain. It is a process of self-discovery." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
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