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Post by ivory on May 9, 2011 22:40:37 GMT -5
So solutions. I would look for communities that value what IS of vlue. Not money, and silly possession, and trying to seem better than some other sad neighbours etc. Out of curiosity, how do you know that what you think is valuable is actually valuable? In other words, how do you know that what others deem as valuable isn't valuable? What's really true, who's right and who's wrong? So solutions. I would look for communities that value what IS of vlue. Not money, and silly possession, and trying to seem better than some other sad neighbours etc. But look for communities that love ALl children and want them to learn about nature, growing food which would include Permaculture and Forest gardening, making music and a non monetary system. Now I am not sure where you are, but there now ARE people looking to join others to do this. So this action is NOT looking to government and big daddy for telling them what to do, but for creating communities that value life. This sounds nice, but it doesn't solve anything. Hate, fear, murder, wars will all continue. Forming communities of any type only reinforces the belief in separation, creating an us vs. them mentality. This us vs. them mentality has been the case since the beginning of time. No matter how noble the cause, no problems have been solved. The only thing that makes sense to me is to find out who/what you really are first.
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Post by lilithz on May 12, 2011 10:03:30 GMT -5
I see the new age which stems from eastern mysticism as being exactly as I am seeing it said here! The self-ish want for some blissed out state, or godhood, and they believe nature is illusory, and thus any activism can only be self-defeating and delusionary because the 'ego' is illusion also
Look what happened to India with its caste system. TERRIBLE poverty. Is it any coincidence that such a system comes from the idealism of mysticism, and belief in 'karma' and 'maya'---and thus there is no ACTION to try and radically CHANGE things, or not make life hell
So what about the other beliefs--Judaic Christian Islamic? They believe in a 'God' who ordains suffering etc. Theres the idea of a 'God' being separate from HIS creation. In this beliefe systems is a mixture of tribalism--our 'God' versus yours-- and an evangelical need to 'save' others so they dont go to hell. But there is no real concern for nature, because nature is seen as being demonic until their 'God' returns and puts-it-right (christian)
But of COURSE nature is being attacked---left right and centre, and its all because of silly stories some of us tell ourselves and have told us as truth.
HOW do you think top soil was ruined through overworking it in America after the invaders took over the land from indigenous people But this ignore-ance of the natural world goes further back into the beginnings of city states, and desertification always follows.
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Post by zendancer on May 12, 2011 10:31:17 GMT -5
I see the new age which stems from eastern mysticism as being exactly as I am seeing it said here! The self-ish want for some blissed out state, or godhood, and they believe nature is illusory, and thus any activism can only be self-defeating and delusionary because the 'ego' is illusion also Look what happened to India with its caste system. TERRIBLE poverty. Is it any coincidence that such a system comes from the idealism of mysticism, and belief in 'karma' and 'maya'---and thus there is no ACTION to try and radically CHANGE things, or not make life hell So what about the other beliefs--Judaic Christian Islamic? They believe in a 'God' who ordains suffering etc. Theres the idea of a 'God' being separate from HIS creation. In this beliefe systems is a mixture of tribalism--our 'God' versus yours-- and an evangelical need to 'save' others so they dont go to hell. But there is no real concern for nature, because nature is seen as being demonic until their 'God' returns and puts-it-right (christian) But of COURSE nature is being attacked---left right and centre, and its all because of silly stories some of us tell ourselves and have told us as truth. HOW do you think top soil was ruined through overworking it in America after the invaders took over the land from indigenous people But this ignore-ance of the natural world goes further back into the beginnings of city states, and desertification always follows. When one habitually attaches labels to what is seen, and uses the mind to imagine, reflect, fantasize, judge, divide, etc., there is virtually no chance of perceiving the truth. The truth is non-dual and beyond ideation.
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Post by onehandclapping on May 12, 2011 11:53:37 GMT -5
I see the new age which stems from eastern mysticism as being exactly as I am seeing it said here! The self-ish want for some blissed out state, or godhood, and they believe nature is illusory, and thus any activism can only be self-defeating and delusionary because the 'ego' is illusion also Look what happened to India with its caste system. TERRIBLE poverty. Is it any coincidence that such a system comes from the idealism of mysticism, and belief in 'karma' and 'maya'---and thus there is no ACTION to try and radically CHANGE things, or not make life hell So what about the other beliefs--Judaic Christian Islamic? They believe in a 'God' who ordains suffering etc. Theres the idea of a 'God' being separate from HIS creation. In this beliefe systems is a mixture of tribalism--our 'God' versus yours-- and an evangelical need to 'save' others so they dont go to hell. But there is no real concern for nature, because nature is seen as being demonic until their 'God' returns and puts-it-right (christian) But of COURSE nature is being attacked---left right and centre, and its all because of silly stories some of us tell ourselves and have told us as truth. HOW do you think top soil was ruined through overworking it in America after the invaders took over the land from indigenous people But this ignore-ance of the natural world goes further back into the beginnings of city states, and desertification always follows. Dude seriously?? You answered none of the questions Ivory or I asked you. What view point are you trying to make us see that is blocking you from healthy discussion??
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Post by ivory on May 12, 2011 12:47:54 GMT -5
I see the new age which stems from eastern mysticism as being exactly as I am seeing it said here! The self-ish want for some blissed out state, or godhood, and they believe nature is illusory, and thus any activism can only be self-defeating and delusionary because the 'ego' is illusion also You are so wrapped up in your judgements, ideas, and preconceived notions that you aren't seeing what's going on here clearly. Nobody here wants to bliss out. If they do, they are in the wrong place. This is a place where heads come off. Look what happened to India with its caste system. TERRIBLE poverty. Is it any coincidence that such a system comes from the idealism of mysticism, and belief in 'karma' and 'maya'---and thus there is no ACTION to try and radically CHANGE things, or not make life hell You prove my point exactly. The caste system is a system based on the belief in separation. Also, mysticism and karma have nothing to do with enlightenment. You are talking about another brand of spirituality... one that is based on belief, not truth. So what about the other beliefs--Judaic Christian Islamic? They believe in a 'God' who ordains suffering etc. Theres the idea of a 'God' being separate from HIS creation. In this beliefe systems is a mixture of tribalism--our 'God' versus yours-- and an evangelical need to 'save' others so they dont go to hell. Precisely, the us vs them mentality. Same thing you promote. "Join us in our views or you will be condemned!" I don't think it's a bad thing, nor am I offended, just pointing it out. But there is no real concern for nature, because nature is seen as being demonic until their 'God' returns and puts-it-right (christian) Your belief that everyone should have a concern for nature is no more true than the belief that everyone should believe in God. That being said, it would be nice to see more care in the world. So I get why you are care, and I do share your concern.
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Post by onehandclapping on May 12, 2011 21:06:34 GMT -5
I think if more people saw no separation between the illusory world and the imagined self, they might treat the planet a bit different. Or not. I still use paper at work everyday. Will I stop?? Probably not til they provide some alternative to print my work on. Even then it will have to be cost effective before I would use it. Am I going to hell for that??? hahaha.
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Post by therealfake on May 12, 2011 21:13:48 GMT -5
I don't know, the old consciousness, was and still is, one of deriving ones identity, or sense of who they are, from the incessant stream of 'thoughts' that cross the mind... Thoughts of fame, riches, power, control and mostly the 'me'. Orthodox religion was more of a confessional for the guilt felt for the degradation of the planet, just to satisfy that thought process. If there really was a God and heaven, it was better to have some insurance, just in case. It was about, condemning the BP's of the world for polluting the Gulf and then running out to buy their company shares when they plummeted... The new consciousness, is about transcending thought and realizing a vast new dimension of the self hidden until now. It's about identification with the whole, a oneness with that which was previously thought to be an 'other'. And a connection with source. We now see that what we do to another or the planet, we do to ourselves. When we love the world and another we actually receive love because there is no separation. That's why it always feels better to give than to receive...
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Post by onehandclapping on May 12, 2011 21:27:35 GMT -5
hahaha it may feel better to you to give than receive but I'm partial to receiving.
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Post by sharon on May 13, 2011 3:13:09 GMT -5
And thought wonders when TRF is gonna get 'imself some new language and stop rehashing and rephrasing the old round and round.
Ask the kitchen for some new vocabulary man.
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Post by therealfake on May 13, 2011 9:00:41 GMT -5
And thought wonders when TRF is gonna get 'imself some new language and stop rehashing and rephrasing the old round and round. Ask the kitchen for some new vocabulary man. Here's something, since your looking for originality... Sharon, could you please come up with an original 'idea' that no one has ever thought before... Should be simple enough right? But I'm betting big bucks, huge bucks that you 'can't'... And I know the reason why, but do you? ''''Throws down the gauntlet'''' and swaggers away... ;D
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Post by ivory on May 13, 2011 11:01:41 GMT -5
Alright, that one made me laugh
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Post by therealfake on May 13, 2011 11:11:48 GMT -5
Alright, that one made me laugh Your laugh makes me laugh... ;D '''Stops laughing like a girl, so his wife doesn't pee her pants''' ;D
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Post by waddicalwabbit on May 13, 2011 11:57:54 GMT -5
Enigma's going to institute 'Snarky The Squirrel' points if this keeps up.
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Post by enigma on May 13, 2011 13:48:45 GMT -5
That sounds like a great idea!
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Post by onehandclapping on May 17, 2011 16:26:44 GMT -5
Great idea you silly wabbit. I would also like to purpose "Sarcastic Monkey Points". Get to work Enigma.
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