dei
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Post by dei on Apr 15, 2011 11:57:02 GMT -5
Yes, enigma... if the me-habit slips away that'll be fine. I just know there won't be a moment when that happens. I saw today that it's like when you have a persistent cough and then a few weeks later you realize that you don't have that cough any more. When did that happen? *lol* It didn't happen. *lol* It's not like there was one moment when the cough was there, and then a subsequent moment when the cough went away. Cuz it's all one moment: now. And i (me) don't understand it, which is good. The less i (me) understand, the better. I'm so sick of all the stories i tell myself. Especially the ones about other people getting enlightened and me not. So really i guess it's just surrender but not surrender in order to become enlightened (which me still thinks it is *lol*). Even when i realize "nothing is going to happen" my mind tries to make "nothing" into something: NOTHING is GOING to Happen! *lol* Silly me. At least i amuse myself.
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Post by enigma on Apr 15, 2011 13:03:52 GMT -5
Well, it CAN happen such that you suddenly realize you can't find any sense of 'me' anywhere, and it's rather odd because it was taken for granted for so long, but I think I know what you mean and it's what I mean when I say the mind is the last to know. Mind always plays catch-up with any realization because it's a loss rather than a gain. Mind doesn't actually realize 'something', it just notices at some point that something fell out and got kicked to the curb. Certain thoughts don't happen anymore. Certain fears and concerns don't show up anymore. Pretty much a non-event by definition. Hehe.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 15, 2011 20:33:50 GMT -5
realization that this is it is not at all different from the concept that this is it. Yeah, to explain it in my own way, I've borrowed the idea of the holograph, before and within which IT=Light. Light exists prior to entering the holographic world in a pure undifferentiated form, but then enters the holograph of the self-contained mindsphere where differentiation happens, and one can observe thoughts/beliefs/concepts/'otherness' bouncing around as life's drama. Is it like your me is just 'valued', 'awared' (not by mindsphere, but Light) as secondary, though of the same Light, because you're operating from/as source Light? It's like not being rooted in the chaotic illusion of mindsphere self, but prior, the ordinariness of the world appears,,,,well, Perfect. I know! So relentlessly Perfect, even the me bumming out is seen as just so, part of the holographic playground for light playing out as light and shadow. In memory, I did sense the oneness thingy of Light realizing lightness in the holographic mindsphere, but yeah, just experiential mind stuff. I reckon everyone passes through that gate in their own way. The sense of me, made of the same light, is alright (all right), and somehow, on some qualitative level, it doesn't matter as much anymore. And yet again, sometimes it does matter (when it appears to do so), but not continuously being rooted in the light play of the mindsphere, you see it as alright...ALL of IT. As Now continues on ITS merry way, the whole value of the illusory foundation/structure and 'its' quirky strategies of projection (desire, fear, need, want, love, hate), appear to continue to dissolve, fade, and fall away. Only Knowing Nowing. hehe As such, IT knows the answer ain't in the mind. As such, any pointing would necessarily (haha, hehe, hoho) include that bit about no methods, techniques, path, etc can get you Here, but those phenomena of such a search in the holographic mindsphere might happen for whatever illusionary reasons the mindsphere might project---the same Light. Beam me up ITTY! <<poof>>
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 15, 2011 20:59:18 GMT -5
Well, it CAN happen such that you suddenly realize you can't find any sense of 'me' anywhere, and it's rather odd because it was taken for granted for so long, but I think I know what you mean and it's what I mean when I say the mind is the last to know. Mind always plays catch-up with any realization because it's a loss rather than a gain. Mind doesn't actually realize 'something'... Yeah, that's the bit that can throw a me for that infinitismally small loop....which makes for a dramatic illusory world of difference! haha
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Post by mamza on Apr 18, 2011 10:52:48 GMT -5
I just realized on my way home that I believe there's someone seeing what is seen, feeling what is felt, and hearing what is heard. Some weird idea of 'in here behind the eyes' and 'out there beyond the eyes.' Silly, silly, silly.
It was a very weird moment.
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Post by question on Apr 18, 2011 12:02:11 GMT -5
Why do you think it's silly? Is the belief present because you somehow think about it, or is it automatic? Do you need to think the belief into existence? If not, how can you say that it's a belief?
I doubt that it is exactly a belief, in my experience it's more like a pattern that is experienced. Although it is a true statement that our planet is a sphere, everyone experiences it as flat. We don't believe that our planet is flat, but we still experience the pattern that suggests that it's flat.
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2011 12:23:31 GMT -5
Good point. The experience of being localized as a perspective in a body looking through eyes isn't some sort of wacky, absurd anomaly. It's how experience happens. The view is always going to be from 'behind the eyes', and so the idea is unavoidable.
However, as Mamza suggests, there isn't something behind the eyes, nor is there something in front of the eyes; no 'in here' and no 'out there', just the seeing, feeling, hearing itself. The rest is assumption and conclusion.
(Not disagreeing with anybody here, just jabbering)
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Post by mamza on Apr 18, 2011 13:25:32 GMT -5
I guess I'm not the greatest at ATA, so a lot of times when I'm practicing it things drop away and my mind likes to own it. Seeing, hearing, etc. will happen and there will be nothing but that, and then it's noticed that there's nothing but that. Then I start thinking again.
"Whoa, look at that! I'm doing some crazy stuff here, look at that!!!"
It was just today that I noticed that sneaky mind enter the picture, that's all. It's like ATA happens, then mind silently enters the picture again (no thinking of speaking, if that makes sense) and the sense of I am arises in a very subtle way that was never noticed before.
Also, belief probably isn't the right word. I just have a difficult time wording things like this.
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Post by sharon on Apr 18, 2011 17:26:23 GMT -5
"I just have a difficult time wording things like this."
Online Thesaurus' can help with this Mamza ~ giving us the availability of a wider breadth of expression, and the choice to use words with similar meanings yet different flavours and richer resonance of aptitude.
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