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Post by klaus on Apr 12, 2011 20:22:33 GMT -5
Hello dreamerrach,
All the sweeping sudden changes in my life came out of nowhere. Nowhere is a good place to look.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 12, 2011 21:05:51 GMT -5
Well I could say I don't like BS and having people waste time on crap. I could say that but the real answer to your question is What Is is What is speaking now in this moment. IF you get into any kind of agenda questions you have already got into your mind and once more you have return to a seeker and your in the past not the present. Are there some examples of "BS" and "wasting time on crap" that can illustrate this discussion?
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 12, 2011 21:08:29 GMT -5
Hello dreamerrach, All the sweeping sudden changes in my life came out of nowhere. Nowhere is a good place to look. Nice one Klaus! <as I stare at shadows and cracks in the wall>
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 12, 2011 21:15:04 GMT -5
Well I could say I don't like BS and having people waste time on crap. I could say that but the real answer to your question is What Is is What is speaking now in this moment. IF you get into any kind of agenda questions you have already got into your mind and once more you have return to a seeker and your in the past not the present. Are there some examples of "BS" and "wasting time on crap" that can illustrate this discussion? There may be it's really a waste of time with neo-advaita. Like ZD said powerful insight by the words of someone that says nothing happens you get my drift nothing happens, no effort, no seeking, you are what you seek bla bla bla. Is it any wonder or I can say it's a great wonder that anyone with such a attitude ever comes close to waking up. But that's just a story.. Michael
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 12, 2011 22:01:39 GMT -5
There may be it's really a waste of time with neo-advaita. Like ZD said powerful insight by the words of someone that says nothing happens you get my drift nothing happens, no effort, no seeking, you are what you seek bla bla bla. Is it any wonder or I can say it's a great wonder that anyone with such a attitude ever comes close to waking up. But that's just a story.. I don't really know what neo-advaita is per se, so could you give me a list of your top 3-5 reasons for making such a claim. Are you more interested in the claim that it does nothing to help someone wake up, or nothing to help clarify what waking ups means in the context of a discussion? Just curious, really. An analogy of my story and why I'm just curious. I was lost at sea...what I intuitively felt was a vast and uncompromising sea. Though I read, contemplated, thought profusely, I was all over the map, to the point of just throwing out any idea of a map or system or anything. I truly intuited they weren't what I was looking for. Generally, in my search, I shunned systems and any trace of other people telling me what I should do or think...a real pain in the ass, but in a pretty congenial way. I sensed systems, codes, and righteousness for achieving this or that or whatever to be like lighted beacons, telling the traveler of dangerous reefs and safe harbors where they could anchor. I did not want to see a beacon, hear a fog horn, or try to guide myself by the stars....but I wanted to know something; I just had no idea what it was (only later was understood to be Truth). Eventually, 4 years later, my boat smashed up onto a reef pretty much in the middle of nowhere. How that reef got there, I do not know, but what a joy to be free of the limitations of the vessel. Would you consider your 'me' more of a beacon or a reef?
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 12, 2011 22:43:06 GMT -5
There may be it's really a waste of time with neo-advaita. Like ZD said powerful insight by the words of someone that says nothing happens you get my drift nothing happens, no effort, no seeking, you are what you seek bla bla bla. Is it any wonder or I can say it's a great wonder that anyone with such a attitude ever comes close to waking up. But that's just a story.. I don't really know what neo-advaita is per se, so could you give me a list of your top 3-5 reasons for making such a claim. Are you more interested in the claim that it does nothing to help someone wake up, or nothing to help clarify what waking ups means in the context of a discussion? Just curious, really. An analogy of my story and why I'm just curious. I was lost at sea...what I intuitively felt was a vast and uncompromising sea. Though I read, contemplated, thought profusely, I was all over the map, to the point of just throwing out any idea of a map or system or anything. I truly intuited they weren't what I was looking for. Generally, in my search, I shunned systems and any trace of other people telling me what I should do or think...a real pain in the ass, but in a pretty congenial way. I sensed systems, codes, and righteousness for achieving this or that or whatever to be like lighted beacons, telling the traveler of dangerous reefs and safe harbors where they could anchor. I did not want to see a beacon, hear a fog horn, or try to guide myself by the stars....but I wanted to know something; I just had no idea what it was (only later was understood to be Truth). Eventually, 4 years later, my boat smashed up onto a reef pretty much in the middle of nowhere. How that reef got there, I do not know, but what a joy to be free of the limitations of the vessel. Would you consider your 'me' more of a beacon or a reef? Both have the same result. Here's a couple of links for you. www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/neoadvaita_jacobs.htmwww.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/neo_srinivasan.htmwww.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/neo_advaita.htmMost people that just speak about concepts really think awakening is knowing and understanding the concepts. Like wow one day it all hit me and I saw no one at home. All that means is they got it, they got the concept. Now it's not a small thing to really get the concept but it's far from being awake. How many times in our lives have we heard something over and over again and then one day it really hits home and we get it well this is what happens with neo-advaitans they get it home but it's conceptual awakening. Anyhow need to go take a good read at those links they explain far better than I. Good night Michael
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Post by enigma on Apr 13, 2011 1:43:15 GMT -5
There are lots of traps in nonduality, and pretty much everybody falls into them. There's nothing 'neo' about that.
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Post by charliegee on Apr 13, 2011 2:14:49 GMT -5
ah, but neo is an anagram for one ... and back in the day I sold ana a gram ... one gram ...
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Post by sharon on Apr 13, 2011 3:40:26 GMT -5
The beauty and some may call it the perfection of this, is that the traps are revealed as though they are happening to somebody else ... most delightful
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Post by dreamerrach on Apr 13, 2011 5:40:57 GMT -5
Looking for infinite potential? No, I already have that :-)
I am wanting something more. I had so many plans and dreams, and I let them all crumble. I don't even know what I want anymore. Blank canvas.
My marriage is still in limbo. I don't hold out much hope at this point: I have given all until I was depleted. Still, I feel I must give him another chance-even if he just wastes it (which would hurt all the more). So for now I am separated and living separately. I invested everything in him, tried to follow his lead. Six years at a job I would have left five years ago. I should have gone to a big college and graduated by now (the plan when we married--but afterward, he said that could not be my life--I had instead chosen to be his wife, so didn't deserve to go to a good college). I feel so far behind. I think this feeling like I need to play catch up has a lot to do with my anxiousness for a change.
I am applying to a lot of interesting jobs, including this one at Ratna Ling in California, a retreat center based in Tibetan Buddhist tradition. I wouldn't earn much, but free room and board plus free classes and use of the stuff there. There's also some communities that are alternatives to group homes that pay more than I make now, free room and board, plus I'd finally have health and dental insurance. I have a lot of experience with people who have disabilities, so living alongside and helping them learn how to care for themselves would be quite natural. I am hoping to get one of these jobs. It would tell me a lot how my husband would handle it: Oh woe is me, she's moving away *cries*? Or, okay--I'll have to make greater efforts to visit. I don't want to be quick in giving him another chance. Leaving the first time-saying I want a divorce-was difficult enough, and he came close to really hurting me. Anyone can fake it for a couple months. So I need to see evidence of real change-that our life together would not be more of the same. The problem also is that I don't know what that evidence would look like.
I'm in limbo. Want out of limbo.
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Post by dreamerrach on Apr 13, 2011 5:41:44 GMT -5
I've heard it said that all planning is based in fear, but that's utter nonsense.
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Post by souley on Apr 13, 2011 7:02:43 GMT -5
Well everything thats happening is exactly what should be happening.
And every movement away from this fact is the cross you have to bear.
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Post by souley on Apr 13, 2011 7:03:39 GMT -5
I hate myself for that one liner but somehow I felt like writing it. My sympathies for all the pain !!
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Post by dreamerrach on Apr 13, 2011 7:07:37 GMT -5
I don't know about "should be." I don't think what is is what should be. Every moment horrible acts are committed, and they are just as they are--but not as they "should be." No one should be starving--they just are.
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Post by zendancer on Apr 13, 2011 10:10:11 GMT -5
Well everything thats happening is exactly what should be happening. And every movement away from this fact is the cross you have to bear. Dreamerach: I think what Souley meant is that everything that is happening is what MUST be happening. How do we know this? Because whatever is happening is TOTAL. It is unified and complete. It has no moving parts. To think otherwise is to activate imagination and compare the concreteness of "what is" with vaporous ideas about "what might be." The world has an inescapable logic to it. Ignorant people must do ignorant things because they're ignorant. After we see the innocence that underlies everything, even ignorance, we realize that everyone is always doing the best he or she can, no matter how such actions might appear. Seeing the unity of "what is" leads to a matter-of-fact acceptance of reality. Acceptance, however, is not the same as condonement, although the distinction is subtle.
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