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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 11:57:43 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 8, 2011 11:57:43 GMT -5
What is it?
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 12:15:22 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 8, 2011 12:15:22 GMT -5
essence
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 12:29:55 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 8, 2011 12:29:55 GMT -5
What is Essence?
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 12:35:42 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2011 12:35:42 GMT -5
'Heart' is most often thought to refer to the feeling center, but it actually refers to the heart of Beingness. Defining that is more problematic than defining the human heart.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 12:43:58 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 8, 2011 12:43:58 GMT -5
What is the heart of Beingness?
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 12:48:50 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 8, 2011 12:48:50 GMT -5
Beingness, you do understand the answers will be endless. Another why I would answer is ..heart is what you make it.. Curious what brought up the question for you? Michael
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 13:11:11 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 8, 2011 13:11:11 GMT -5
Curious what brought up the question for you? Probably Ed Muzika's post, where he says: "Awakening means the heart is completely open". I never paid much attention to the concept of heart as I have zero relation to it, but his post made me thinking because many people I respect talk about heart and I have no idea what they are referring to. This can't be taken as a meaningful answer.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 13:39:59 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Feb 8, 2011 13:39:59 GMT -5
Yes, that's my understanding as well... It doesn't mean the physical heart, it means your center, your beingness. You know, getting to the heart of the matter... Kind of like walking a path with heart, a path of beingness... You can have a heart ache, but for me, it's usually from too much jalapeno tequila sauce...
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 14:06:22 GMT -5
Post by karen on Feb 8, 2011 14:06:22 GMT -5
I never paid much attention to the concept of heart as I have zero relation to it, but his post made me thinking because many people I respect talk about heart and I have no idea what they are referring to. I never did either until I had the urge to start paying attention to my heart. I don't talk about it much though, because the prose never comes to me about it. But I remember paying particular attention to the feeling in the chest when yawning and holding onto that feeling all day.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 14:19:27 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 8, 2011 14:19:27 GMT -5
Probably Ed Muzika's post, where he says: "Awakening means the heart is completely open". I never paid much attention to the concept of heart as I have zero relation to it, but his post made me thinking because many people I respect talk about heart and I have no idea what they are referring to. This can't be taken as a meaningful answer. True not the way you asked your question. As far as Edji's post I would suggest you ask him. He's a man that spent his whole life to awaken, lots of time in Zen it was not until Robert Adam's that things changed. I have much respect for him. Michael
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 18:50:18 GMT -5
Post by sharon on Feb 8, 2011 18:50:18 GMT -5
Question, can you see that these two sentences are not dissimilar to each other?
For the heart to be completely open means that there are no more scars left in it's energy. It has zero associative debris and therefore all of life flows through it cleanly and clearly.
Feeling birdsong for example ~ through the chest area, will have an intimacy that is of the primacy of experience.
The intelligence associated with this openness will always have a more grounded quality or resonance and frequency to it.
This I would call Beingness.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 19:46:53 GMT -5
Post by mamza on Feb 8, 2011 19:46:53 GMT -5
Could you clarify this part? I'm not sure I follow... some of them words is too big for me. I get the first half but the rest is a bit technical sounding.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 20:21:12 GMT -5
Post by sharon on Feb 8, 2011 20:21:12 GMT -5
"Could you clarify this part?" ~
Yes it can be rewritten ~
A heart that is fully healed is free to live as a naked as the day it was born.
And so a human that has completed the experiences that ordered their life has an emotional intelligence that can be felt ~ by all creatures ~ consistently.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 21:02:59 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2011 21:02:59 GMT -5
I would say when someone is talking about an "open heart" they're referring to an openness in the human feeling center rather than 'the heart of Beingness'. I tell Marie that her heart is always open to me, meaning that even if she is irritated with me, she knows there is love and still can't close herself off to me. Another way of saying it is that anger may be present but it has nowhere to land. It's simply present. I don't know if this applies to Edji in any way as it seems to me he finds places for it to land.
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Heart
Feb 8, 2011 21:23:58 GMT -5
Post by teetown on Feb 8, 2011 21:23:58 GMT -5
Question,
Yeah if you're looking for an intellectual answer you might not get anything satisfying.
Many teachers make a distinction between jnana and bhakti yoga, or intellectual vs. devotional yoga. From my understanding these distinctions are similar to western notions of left-brained vs. right-brained thinking
You seem firmly on the intellectual, or jnana path, which seems as valid a path as any, but such talk of heart centers and stuff probably won't make sense to you, because it's not really a concept to be understood.
I'm sorta able to alternate between both thinking and feeling. Honestly, the heart center talk doesn't make much sense to me either, but I'm able to "feel" into the essence of it so to speak.
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