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Heart
Feb 10, 2011 22:14:40 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 10, 2011 22:14:40 GMT -5
Robert, the question arose because in many nonduality texts heart is mentioned as if it is crucial. And since I don't know what heart is I thought I'd better ask. Personally I'm not much of a feeler and from the answers here it seems to me like the heart center is a ton of work and focus going into a place which I feel doesn't demand much attention right now. Enigma's (non)definition on the other hand isn't even one that one can work on at all, so I guess this chapter is closed for me. (That is unless my heart opens up )
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Heart
Feb 10, 2011 22:26:57 GMT -5
Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 22:26:57 GMT -5
Robert, the question arose because in many nonduality texts heart is mentioned as if it is crucial. And since I don't know what heart is I thought I'd better ask. Personally I'm not much of a feeler and from the answers here it seems to me like the heart center is a ton of work and focus going into a place which I feel doesn't demand much attention right now. Enigma's (non)definition on the other hand isn't even one that one can work on at all, so I guess this chapter is closed for me. (That is unless my heart opens up ) Don't take this the wrong way as I think you're great but when you pose questions it makes me think of Spock or Commander data digging for information regarding what it's like to be a human being - illogical! ;D
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Heart
Feb 10, 2011 22:42:14 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2011 22:42:14 GMT -5
Well, yeah, it does look a bit like that to me too, which only tells me that the 'heart path' is out of the question for Question, which is fine. He has a good mind and as much as mind is denigrated in spiritual circles, an effective mind can follow a very effective path up to a point.
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Heart
Feb 10, 2011 22:51:41 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Feb 10, 2011 22:51:41 GMT -5
Robert, the question arose because in many nonduality texts heart is mentioned as if it is crucial. And since I don't know what heart is I thought I'd better ask. Personally I'm not much of a feeler and from the answers here it seems to me like the heart center is a ton of work and focus going into a place which I feel doesn't demand much attention right now. Enigma's (non)definition on the other hand isn't even one that one can work on at all, so I guess this chapter is closed for me. (That is unless my heart opens up ) Yes, now close the chapter on the 'mind' that's playing this spiritual game and you'll never ask another question about it...
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Heart
Feb 10, 2011 23:11:55 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 10, 2011 23:11:55 GMT -5
We only ask questions because somewhere in us we already have a answer. If the answer was not there no question would be asked.
Michael
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 1:16:56 GMT -5
Post by wolfgang on Feb 11, 2011 1:16:56 GMT -5
I like to see heart as "heart space".
You can go there by dropping down. A couple ways I've done it is to watch a feather float down in my imagination or watch an hour glass sand going through in my imagination. You can also pick up you shoulders and then drop them. That can do it too. Not so much like formal meditation. Just a letting go of needing to think or figure out or make sure things are right. Just go... ahhhhhh.
It's a place free of emotion, to me, actually. Emotion seems to be jacked up mind stuff. Pure heart space is so peaceful it doesn't even have emotion. Well, what is the emotion of peace anyway?
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 13:00:57 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 11, 2011 13:00:57 GMT -5
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 13:03:30 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 11, 2011 13:03:30 GMT -5
I like to see heart as "heart space". You can go there by dropping down. A couple ways I've done it is to watch a feather float down in my imagination or watch an hour glass sand going through in my imagination. You can also pick up you shoulders and then drop them. That can do it too. Not so much like formal meditation. Just a letting go of needing to think or figure out or make sure things are right. Just go... ahhhhhh. It's a place free of emotion, to me, actually. Emotion seems to be jacked up mind stuff. Pure heart space is so peaceful it doesn't even have emotion. Well, what is the emotion of peace anyway? I can relate to this. Couple of times in sleep I've voluntarily jumped into the abyss. I agree that it is free of emotion, the abyss feels more "right" than anything else. The falling itself is very exhilarating.
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -5
Post by angela on Feb 11, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -5
i consider prajna, when i consider heart. loosely translated as "heart wisdom" - and sometimes talked about as the wisdom of being, life living itself in motion, outside the conceptual eddies and dams along the way.
because there is no "the heart" per se, not as a thing, an object. there is a sort of clarified action, which poetically can be talked about as being guided by prajna.
and for me, along the path of burning illusions, it was prajna that was the simple reminder of what was actual, and real. or, to quote dei from another thread - it was the south pole, pointing unerringly north.
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 14:38:03 GMT -5
Post by vacant on Feb 11, 2011 14:38:03 GMT -5
Only for what it might be worth. Chinese medicine does not differentiate between body parts/ organs etc and supposedly corresponding emotions or mind afflictions. While it will measure the heart pulse this will not only reveal the health of the physical heart but also what they call shen, which can be transalted into spirit, almost soul. So very much what we mean when we say we take heart in something, or we put our heart into something.
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Heart
Feb 11, 2011 14:57:03 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 11, 2011 14:57:03 GMT -5
The beauty of the heart is the lasting beauty: its lips give to drink of the water of life. Truly it is the water, that which pours, and the one who drinks. All three become one when your talisman is shattered. That oneness you can't know by reasoning. ~RumiMichael
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Heart
Feb 12, 2011 11:39:22 GMT -5
Post by question on Feb 12, 2011 11:39:22 GMT -5
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your message. Unfortunately you've deleted your account, which is why I have to reply on the forum. I hope it's ok with you if I cite a passage from your PM.
That's the point, I can't really define my intention in a way that it has any meaning and has any sort of operationality. Everytime I define it it's always results oriented, which defies its purpose in the context of nonduality. Even if I set myself a goal such as "waking up" it's still useless, because I have no idea what "waking up" is supposed to mean.
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Heart
Feb 12, 2011 12:23:10 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 12, 2011 12:23:10 GMT -5
I think Robert used the wrong word here. Can we really intend something. The word I would have used would be attention..FWIW
Michael
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Heart
Feb 13, 2011 11:24:31 GMT -5
Post by robert on Feb 13, 2011 11:24:31 GMT -5
michael- i wrote a pm to q. because i don't really like having others, uninvolved in the conversation, explaining what i mean. question- i used the term waking up to simply step past the over used spirituality laden terms like enlightenment or god that are thrown around and can cause much confusion because everyone has pre-programed memories from life that can cause more confusion that anything. waking up, awakening, whatever you want to call it is seeing through the illusions of self, the ego, the self created idea of separateness. and it is possible to see the world without the filter of ego i wrote about it happening in the thread, the walk, so i will not retell it. and you need to sit down and define your intention, if you can't or won't then you have more pressing concerns than definitions of words. intention in spirituality is a compass if you are focused on this physical plane then your focus remains here but that's kind of like trying to drive a car while staring at the hood ornament. in the end no we can't go find truth, our efforts can only take us so far, then we must cease the search and surrender to whatever because it was only after i had gone as far as effort could take me that i let go, knowing the the truth was not mine to find, it had to find me.
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Heart
Feb 13, 2011 11:43:10 GMT -5
Post by michaelsees on Feb 13, 2011 11:43:10 GMT -5
Robert I still disagree with you. You feel you have control with intention I say you don't at all. You may have one "power" and that is attention. When you get into intention, you get into free will, volition etc which is really the mind playing silly games with you. You end up with your illusion(intention) pulling the wool over the illusion if you get me. If not don't worry it's not my "intention" for you to get me or not haha
Your millage will vary I'm sure
Michael
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