mits
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Post by mits on Jan 6, 2011 18:00:04 GMT -5
Well I was recently reading: A Transpersonal Approach to the Severely Disharmonized Child on searchwithin.org and the author says that if you Dwell in the Heart on the right side of the chest—between the two nipples, two digits to the right of center. That if you Listen with humbleness, with openness, and you will "feel" the still, small voice within and the answers will be there.
My question is regarding this: Does this really work and when the author says feel what does he mean by this? I imagine he is implying that the answers are felt. If you can hear the Still Small Voice within how can you be sure it is that and not just internal dialogue? Is there a way to discern it? Has any-one had any personal experiences with this?
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Post by m on Jan 6, 2011 19:23:51 GMT -5
NLP can use kind of dialoguing with "differents parts" of our "unconscious to the point you have a counscious-unconscious verbal discussion. But this is all happening within our (self)consciousness and only be between differents body-mind's functions. IMO this has nothing to with the feeling in the middle of the chest that could happen on the path-no path and which never use verbal speech. m
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Post by therealfake on Jan 6, 2011 23:05:38 GMT -5
Well I was recently reading: A Transpersonal Approach to the Severely Disharmonized Child on searchwithin.org and the author says that if you Dwell in the Heart on the right side of the chest—between the two nipples, two digits to the right of center. That if you Listen with humbleness, with openness, and you will "feel" the still, small voice within and the answers will be there. My question is regarding this: Does this really work and when the author says feel what does he mean by this? I imagine he is implying that the answers are felt. If you can hear the Still Small Voice within how can you be sure it is that and not just internal dialogue? Is there a way to discern it? Has any-one had any personal experiences with this? That still small voice is always talking to you. But only when you need it or ask for it's help. You can recognize that voice, by the fact that what it tells you, is always what you need to know in the moment. Kind of like having a helper watch out for you. As opposed to the internal dialogue which is either complaining or worrying about something. You can differentiate it, because it's a more softer, reassuring sounding voice, in comparison to the loud mechanical ramblings of the internal dialogue. Although the voice, for me anyway, isn't recognizable, it does sound like the voice of an old friend. If you pay attention to what you hear in your mind, you'll notice it. Once you know it's there, it will serve you well. It only requires your attention.
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Post by angela on Jan 6, 2011 23:49:32 GMT -5
the other thing interesting about the intuitive or still small voice is that it doesn't justify anything. having the truth on it's side means it never has to give a reason for anything. the mind will create reasons all day long because it lives to support an illusion and needs lots of mortar and glue.
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Post by mits on Jan 9, 2011 11:52:12 GMT -5
When I pay attention in my mind all I hear is snippets of conversation I had at work, what movie I recently watched and memories from the far distant past surfacing towards the top? It just seems like noise and I cannot seem to hear or see anything - from the still small voice within, maybe I should just observe and leave out all ideas and concepts.
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Post by robert on Jan 9, 2011 12:06:59 GMT -5
that sounds like you are just thumbing through the file cabinet of memory. i am sure that your instincts to leave out the static will give you access. although often times the small voices are not all that hard to hear, but the courage to follow and take action is the difficult part. the sticking point, the courage, is often where all of the dissimilar voices creep in and we confuse the issue on purpose. thus letting ourselves off the hook by claiming that we can't understand the message. been there myself. robert
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Post by karen on Jan 9, 2011 12:44:56 GMT -5
I'd like to add, make sure you are truthful with yourself as much as possible and at every opportunity.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 9, 2011 16:21:37 GMT -5
When I pay attention in my mind all I hear is snippets of conversation I had at work, what movie I recently watched and memories from the far distant past surfacing towards the top? It just seems like noise and I cannot seem to hear or see anything - from the still small voice within, maybe I should just observe and leave out all ideas and concepts. Try noticing the voice from an "oh thanks" reaction, to what's happening in the moment. As an example, your in a hurry leaving the house and at the last minute you hear a voice that say's "don't forget the ______". And you say "oh thanks", I nearly forgot that. The voice isn't there if your looking for it, it comes when it's needed. Even then you can miss it, if your not in the present. Another way happens when you lose something. Sit quietly and allow the images of the mind, to flash by, as to where you might have lost your item. The small voice will be there to comment on the right image or might come as a feeling, as opposed to the words that you might hear. Some people call it the voice of intuition. I think that's an appropriate description.
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Post by sherry on Jan 10, 2011 2:29:38 GMT -5
the other thing interesting about the intuitive or still small voice is that it doesn't justify anything. having the truth on it's side means it never has to give a reason for anything. the mind will create reasons all day long because it lives to support an illusion and needs lots of mortar and glue. Thanks for this, Angela. It's so true and a reminder is always helpful.
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Post by mits on Jan 10, 2011 7:42:08 GMT -5
that sounds like you are just thumbing through the file cabinet of memory. i am sure that your instincts to leave out the static will give you access. although often times the small voices are not all that hard to hear, but the courage to follow and take action is the difficult part. the sticking point, the courage, is often where all of the dissimilar voices creep in and we confuse the issue on purpose. thus letting ourselves off the hook by claiming that we can't understand the message. been there myself. robert Sitting in silence meditating on this I realised that words utterly fail to communicate with what is being expressed by the heart-centre. And asking a question today and answer was definately felt and it seemed to be about trusting source or the universe. But once I come out of the stillness the questions, the worries continually plague me:) lol Could be that Ego wants a definate answer and the answer I got seemed to be a bit out of my control. Trus that what is unfolding from minute to minute is for the best....
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Post by popee on Jan 10, 2011 8:23:00 GMT -5
Does your soft, wise voice speak in English (or whatever your native tongue is)? I assume it does, as we have no other way of describing things. I think that voice is likely just another slice of the mind/ego complex - and a regurgitation of previous words entered into the database from books and such.
But we want to believe our spiritual work is working, that we are reaping the fruits of our labor. We conjure up various thoughts and beliefs, but they are never firm, they will evolve over time, as our database grows.
Personally, I don't trust anything my mind comes up with, but that is a difficult road to follow. I have no beliefs, I try to just let the evolving occur, without letting my mind get in the way.
and perhaps I should add ...
trust is not the proper word to use, but I can't think of a replacement. I neither trust, nor distrust, it would be better to say - I have no opinion.
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Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2011 12:04:12 GMT -5
Yeah, trust might imply that the one in charge is willing to delegate responsibility for keeping things running smoothly, which rather misses the whole point. It would be mind that doesn't trust mind. (I do I understand what you're saying)
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 10, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
I have no beliefs, I try to just let the evolving occur, without letting my mind get in the way. Most excellent way to live my friend good job, loose the word try. Michael
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Post by therealfake on Jan 10, 2011 13:47:48 GMT -5
Does your soft, wise voice speak in English (or whatever your native tongue is)? I assume it does, as we have no other way of describing things. I think that voice is likely just another slice of the mind/ego complex - and a regurgitation of previous words entered into the database from books and such. But we want to believe our spiritual work is working, that we are reaping the fruits of our labor. We conjure up various thoughts and beliefs, but they are never firm, they will evolve over time, as our database grows. Personally, I don't trust anything my mind comes up with, but that is a difficult road to follow. I have no beliefs, I try to just let the evolving occur, without letting my mind get in the way. and perhaps I should add ... trust is not the proper word to use, but I can't think of a replacement. I neither trust, nor distrust, it would be better to say - I have no opinion. Yes, the mind will always accommodate me, even if my pursuit is to transcend the mind. If I place trust or faith in something greater than the mind, then my mind will provide it for me. It will give me everything that I think I need, but it will never give me what I need the most, it's control. Awareness on the other hand, doesn't give a rat's ass about the workings of the mind or what it believes or doesn't believe. It is simply the now, the canvass on which everything is painted. The mind will even let me think that I don't believe in it, but it has one belief that I can't let go of. And that is that I am a body. The thought of which creates my seemingly physical reality. Consequently, I'm going to eventually get sick and die. Who doesn't believe that? Just look around and witness all the sickness and death, it must be true. So, in reality, it seems to me, that I am both, that which will eventually get sick and die and also that which is eternal and will never die. How do I, the thoughts of the mind, superimposed on the immensity of the awareness, go about resolving this enigma?
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Post by enigma on Jan 10, 2011 21:48:41 GMT -5
"How do I, the thoughts of the mind, superimposed on the immensity of the awareness, go about resolving this enigma?"
You called? Hehe. I say it's critical to not misplace yourself, as though you were the tree in your backyard trying to figure out how you're going to mow the lawn. There simply isn't any solution from that perspective and more delusions are inevitable.
You are not thoughts. You see thoughts. You're talking about thoughts that you see, so you can't BE the thoughts. You're obviously watching the thoughts. As the one who is aware of thoughts, where is the dilemma about thoughts trying to do something? You are the one watching the body grow old and die. How can you be the one growing old and dying? Is there really an enigma here?
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