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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 13:40:36 GMT -5
Lexi : "My point was- if one has to eat meat, eat the animal that is already dead- instead of killing one that is alive." Unless you're referring to road kill......when you buy a cow from the grocery store, they make note of it and go out to kill another cow in your honor. Honestly! You're relentless and misguided. I posted I'd like to drop this, but you want to keep it going. And that's being Conscious? |
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 13:43:02 GMT -5
Please tell me this is a joke. Or rather- please tell "me" this is a joke.  Nope, no yoke. It's an insane veggie baloney travesty, isn't it? The idea that love is given or received by a person is as much a concept as the idea of the person. This conceptual love is part of the ignorance that makes the world go round, and it brings with it the other side of the conceptual, dualistic coin that gives the spinning a little more momentum. When one sees oneself as the giver of love to animals, then one has to hate the politicians and neighbors who are trying to stop your love. Love is not personal, and not exclusive. It moves in the absence of the ignorance of the dualistic idea of 'you'. You are speaking about Love to me? The only love you know is one that caters to you. |
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 13:55:05 GMT -5
Thanks Zendancer for sharing this with me. Especially if you wrote this all down for me. (indulge the "me") I have no problem with what you wrote. I have studied this for decades. So much so, that none of it matters anymore. The only thing that matters presently, aside from the present moment, is yanking on E's beard. Because I am a woman of service, and periodically he asks me to do this. And it's fun!  Twice now you have spoken for him. I don't know why as he is a jabbering master. But I DO get what you wrote- really. Remember that things are not as they appear. And there could be a fool running around saying the sky is falling, and that fool could be a Zen Master in disquise. Ya never know. quote] God. God. On one hand, yes. On the other, no. The first hand watches the other hand. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 14:11:25 GMT -5
Lexi: Okay, if you understand what I wrote, then what's the beef? (no animal pun intended) You wrote that you've studied this matter for decades and it no longer matters. What did you study and what is it that no longer matters? I'm just trying to understand the context of this thread. You seem to imply that your antagonism toward E. is just an act and that there is no attachment to the views that you've expressed. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, what's the beef? Why is she having a cow over this? Speaking for Lexi, which is way good way to get meself in trouble as well as give the world another spin, she's actually more conscious than she sounds right now. Her approach is almost entirely feeling based and she's had all the requisite experiences but the mind is a no-fly zone for her, and so mind conditioning remains in service to feeling instead of to Truth. If it doesn't feel right it can't be true, and all sorts of unconscious storytelling happens for a while, and then it's usually noticed that it's storytelling, until next time. I showed her this poem, which was written for the cover of my book of poetry which never happened for some reason, but she was wholly unimpressed. Still, it's very much to the point: Mind without heart is sterile. Heart without mind is sentimental. The pearl diver takes all to the depths, His courage and his wits, His wonder and his wisdom. One eye for beauty, And the other for clarity. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 14:14:23 GMT -5
Lexi : "My point was- if one has to eat meat, eat the animal that is already dead- instead of killing one that is alive." Unless you're referring to road kill......when you buy a cow from the grocery store, they make note of it and go out to kill another cow in your honor. Honestly! You're relentless and misguided. I posted I'd like to drop this, but you want to keep it going. And that's being Conscious? Maybe the difference is that you see a "fight" going on, and it doesn't feel good, while all I can see is a conversation happening about what's true and what isn't. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 14:17:26 GMT -5
Nope, no yoke. It's an insane veggie baloney travesty, isn't it? The idea that love is given or received by a person is as much a concept as the idea of the person. This conceptual love is part of the ignorance that makes the world go round, and it brings with it the other side of the conceptual, dualistic coin that gives the spinning a little more momentum. When one sees oneself as the giver of love to animals, then one has to hate the politicians and neighbors who are trying to stop your love. Love is not personal, and not exclusive. It moves in the absence of the ignorance of the dualistic idea of 'you'. You are speaking about Love to me? The only love you know is one that caters to you. Then talk to me about what Love is, in your own words please. Lets find out where I've gone horrible wrong. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 14:21:27 GMT -5
Lexidivided: "On one hand, yes.
On the other, no.
The first hand watches the other hand."
Then put your hands together and see what happens.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 14:41:16 GMT -5
Lexi: Okay, if you understand what I wrote, then what's the beef? (no animal pun intended) You wrote that you've studied this matter for decades and it no longer matters. What did you study and what is it that no longer matters? I'm just trying to understand the context of this thread. You seem to imply that your antagonism toward E. is just an act and that there is no attachment to the views that you've expressed. Is that what you're saying? Oh My. This sounds like you're 'telling on me". he he Do you know how old that story is? And it was never true. And I proved it to you many times, but once you adopted this perception of me, this false tale, that was it. True, I am very feeling, but I also have a decent mind. And I gave my life to the Truth. But you will believe what you believe about lexi- even if it is false. I agree that I have been crabby (euphemism) on this forum. Then Michael had to go on his retreat. And the animal issue came up. And yes, it is one of the few issues that gets to me. So I agree with that part- the energy being on the salty side. But I have been very aware throughout. No sleeping here. You can be emotional/passionate and even attacking and still be aware. But I am ready to let that energy and intensity go. There- gone. I'm still not impressed. You're a great writer of truth, but you are not a poet. A true poet Feels. And I have said before I am the least of sentimental beings, you are more sentimental than I am. It would be nice if we could drop this, um, "conversation". |
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 14:43:32 GMT -5
Lexidivided: "On one hand, yes. On the other, no. The first hand watches the other hand." Then put your hands together and see what happens. Or I could make a couple of fists. |
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 14:52:45 GMT -5
Enigma-
Then talk to me about what Love is, in your own words please.
Say you are sorry for not being a pal to me.
For not giving me some space and understanding.
For not giving me a pm saying, "what's up" even.
For not supporting me when I have supported you.
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Post by karen on Dec 18, 2010 15:06:41 GMT -5
That is not love.
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Post by karen on Dec 18, 2010 15:08:51 GMT -5
Lexi : "My point was- if one has to eat meat, eat the animal that is already dead- instead of killing one that is alive." Unless you're referring to road kill......when you buy a cow from the grocery store, they make note of it and go out to kill another cow in your honor. That is the slickest and cleanest way I've ever heard that process described! |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 15:29:42 GMT -5
Oh My. This sounds like you're 'telling on me". he he Do you know how old that story is? And it was never true. And I proved it to you many times, but once you adopted this perception of me, this false tale, that was it. True, I am very feeling, but I also have a decent mind. And I gave my life to the Truth. But you will believe what you believe about lexi- even if it is false. I agree that I have been crabby (euphemism) on this forum. Then Michael had to go on his retreat. And the animal issue came up. And yes, it is one of the few issues that gets to me. So I agree with that part- the energy being on the salty side. But I have been very aware throughout. No sleeping here. You can be emotional/passionate and even attacking and still be aware. But I am ready to let that energy and intensity go. There- gone. Right, and that's what I was explaining to Zen. Feeling issues come up and take over for a time, get expressed as all sorts of storytelling, and then you let it go. What you prove to me over and over is that this is what happens, so in what way are you proving it's not true? It's true I don't write sentimental poetry. The idea that I'm more sentimental than you is another projection, and a pretty wacky one at that. The whole 'save the animals' chat we just had was motivated by your sentimentality. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 15:31:25 GMT -5
Lexidivided: "On one hand, yes. On the other, no. The first hand watches the other hand." Then put your hands together and see what happens. Or I could make a couple of fists. That often seems to be your preference.  |
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 15:35:57 GMT -5
Enigma- Then talk to me about what Love is, in your own words please. Say you are sorry for not being a pal to me.
For not giving me some space and understanding.
For not giving me a pm saying, "what's up" even.
For not supporting me when I have supported you.Yes, this is the concept of personal love; a love with expectations, demands. A love that feeds the imaginary egoic identity and hates when it becomes hungry. This has nothing to do with Love. |
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