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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 11:47:53 GMT -5
Well Klaus you are certainly welcome to your opinion. However you sidestepped my point. A animal that has been abused or hurt and is crying is hurt and in pain and if you or anyone has a difficult time with that then I can say no more to you. Michael Thumbs up.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 12:04:20 GMT -5
Veggy baloney. What does that sentence have anything to with anything? My rhetorical question was, would that be a travesty? not having anything to talk about? And you write- I don't recall saying anything about a travesty. You do this often, slip in stuff that doesn't belong there, addressing only what you want to in a post, then it's giraffe time- which you accuse others of regularly. Anything to win your argument. Suddenly I've compassion for Tzu! LOL. That was funny. (But if you recall, I go barefoot.) Maybe it's time to put a sock in it. I'm interested in what you Know. The world functions? Unconsciousness functions? Have you gone completely off your rocker? And Oh how those gurus love to talk- boy and howdy. (Is that why you keep spinning it?) True. But you don't have mine.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 12:16:51 GMT -5
Yes!
No, not just rambling. This was truth and it is beautiful.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 12:21:25 GMT -5
Please tell me this is a joke. Or rather- please tell "me" this is a joke.
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Post by karen on Dec 18, 2010 12:29:00 GMT -5
I'm vegan myself. I cannot anymore imagine putting my ignorance and denial hat on when eating a factory farmed hamburger. That hamburger has a very sad story - much sadder than a killed deer IMO.
Did that whopper make a squeal? You bet it did. Just not in-front of you at the cash register. But pay no attention to the torment and slaughter behind the zoning laws two counties over.
That hamburger was a female child of god like us all. After producing unhealthy and unnatural volumes of milk for 4 years thanks to hormones, anti-biotics, and selective breeding (naturally a cow will produce milk for 20 years!) - she will be shoved into a hot cramped trailor and be driven to "market" where this poor soul will need to be dragged with a chain by the limbs via fork-lift truck to the slaughter pens where they will finally be killed with a bolt through the head (in the same way that the bad guy from "No Country for Old Men" killed).
So me knowing this and knowing that probably most of the people on this forum think nothing about eating hamburgers from factory farmed animals - it must drive me crazy right? Wrong! It doesn't bug me because everyone is at their own level of understanding. I know I've been where they've been. And I don't want to condemn myself for not getting with the program earlier.
Now I'd really be sunk if I was an SPCA-type animal rights person who only cared about dogs and cats - and ignored the suffering of my own meal in front of me - this would be profoundly painful for me. I would probably find a place to place all that blame.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 12:37:43 GMT -5
Thanks Zendancer for sharing this with me. Especially if you wrote this all down for me. (indulge the "me") I have no problem with what you wrote. I have studied this for decades. So much so, that none of it matters anymore. The only thing that matters presently, aside from the present moment, is yanking on E's beard. Because I am a woman of service, and periodically he asks me to do this. And it's fun! Twice now you have spoken for him. I don't know why as he is a jabbering master. But I DO get what you wrote- really. Remember that things are not as they appear. And there could be a fool running around saying the sky is falling, and that fool could be a Zen Master in disquise. Ya never know.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 12:52:07 GMT -5
I'm vegan myself. I cannot anymore imagine putting my ignorance and denial hat on when eating a factory farmed hamburger. That hamburger has a very sad story - much sadder than a killed deer IMO. Did that whopper make a squeal? You bet it did. Just not in-front of you at the cash register. But pay no attention to the torment and slaughter behind the zoning laws two counties over. That hamburger was a female child of god like us all. After producing unhealthy and unnatural volumes of milk for 4 years thanks to hormones, anti-biotics, and selective breeding (naturally a cow will produce milk for 20 years!) - she will be shoved into a hot cramped trailor and be driven to "market" where this poor soul will need to be dragged with a chain by the limbs via fork-lift truck to the slaughter pens where they will finally be killed with a bolt through the head (in the same way that the bad guy from "No Country for Old Men" killed). So me knowing this and knowing that probably most of the people on this forum think nothing about eating hamburgers from factory farmed animals - it must drive me crazy right? Wrong! It doesn't bug me because everyone is at their own level of understanding. I know I've been where they've been. And I don't want to condemn myself for not getting with the program earlier. Now I'd really be sunk if I was an SPCA-type animal rights person who only cared about dogs and cats - and ignored the suffering of my own meal in front of me - this would be profoundly painful for me. I would probably find a place to place all that blame. I hear you, and big yes for being a Vegan. And I agree totally about the farm animals! My point was- if one has to eat meat, eat the animal that is already dead- instead of killing one that is alive. I doubt that those who are for animal rights only care about dogs and cats. That may be their focus, but most animals rights people care about all animals. This is a great attitude. Like St Francis's famous saying (I hope that Saints are not an issue with you. That they too, can say wise things.) "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 12:55:30 GMT -5
Veggy baloney. What does that sentence have anything to with anything? My rhetorical question was, would that be a travesty? not having anything to talk about? And you write- I don't recall saying anything about a travesty. You do this often, slip in stuff that doesn't belong there, addressing only what you want to in a post, then it's giraffe time- which you accuse others of regularly. Anything to win your argument. Suddenly I've compassion for Tzu! This is the unconsciousness you talk about, and yes, this is what keeps the world spinning. This conversation wouldn't be happening at all without it. Where did the idea of it being a travesty come from if not from you? I didn't say or imply it, you did, and when I say I didn't say it, you act like I slipped something in that was totally unrelated veggy baloney. You projected the idea of a travesty onto me and then projected it's irrelevance onto me, and then projected your need to win an argument onto me. Yes, the whole world spinning effort of travesties and veggie baloney and argument winning and 'fighting' is all giraffe spotting. It only seems to be happening in your own mind. You're one of my favorites. I like a world spinner with 'heart'.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 12:59:53 GMT -5
I would give Ed Muzika benefit of the doubt last time I spoke with him he was compiling a ton of work done by the late advaita teacher Robert Adams Ed seemed like a pretty well informed guy (although I agree with many others on this thread that that the only gift we can give the world is our awakening) Hi Rave Sure, I can go with the idea that Edji is a very well informed person, especially when it comes to cats and nondual concepts.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 13:04:55 GMT -5
Today at 12:04pm, lexi wrote: No. It isn't Professor. It was observations of how you reply to posts. Nothing is happening. One word. "Lithium". ;D Quote- Well, I can't spin it all by myself. Fortunately, I have lots of help. Quote: True. But you don't have mine. Well, coming from you my dear, I'll take that as a compliment.
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Post by lexi on Dec 18, 2010 13:10:07 GMT -5
Lexi says "Bye"----
gulp gulp ( I hear ya!!!)
to the subjects on animals.
"Sigh"
I've stated me case, and never have I gotten into this issue on a forum.
I'll comment if it's there, but ready to let it go now.
(if it will let me!)
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 13:12:05 GMT -5
Please tell me this is a joke. Or rather- please tell "me" this is a joke. Nope, no yoke. It's an insane veggie baloney travesty, isn't it? The idea that love is given or received by a person is as much a concept as the idea of the person. This conceptual love is part of the ignorance that makes the world go round, and it brings with it the other side of the conceptual, dualistic coin that gives the spinning a little more momentum. When one sees oneself as the giver of love to animals, then one has to hate the politicians and neighbors who are trying to stop your love. Love is not personal, and not exclusive. It moves in the absence of the ignorance of the dualistic idea of 'you'.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 13:35:29 GMT -5
Lexi : "My point was- if one has to eat meat, eat the animal that is already dead- instead of killing one that is alive."
Unless you're referring to road kill......when you buy a cow from the grocery store, they make note of it and go out to kill another cow in your honor.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 18, 2010 13:40:00 GMT -5
Thanks Zendancer for sharing this with me. Especially if you wrote this all down for me. (indulge the "me") I have no problem with what you wrote. I have studied this for decades. So much so, that none of it matters anymore. The only thing that matters presently, aside from the present moment, is yanking on E's beard. Because I am a woman of service, and periodically he asks me to do this. And it's fun! Twice now you have spoken for him. I don't know why as he is a jabbering master. But I DO get what you wrote- really. Remember that things are not as they appear. And there could be a fool running around saying the sky is falling, and that fool could be a Zen Master in disquise. Ya never know. quote] Lexi: Okay, if you understand what I wrote, then what's the beef? (no animal pun intended) You wrote that you've studied this matter for decades and it no longer matters. What did you study and what is it that no longer matters? I'm just trying to understand the context of this thread. You seem to imply that your antagonism toward E. is just an act and that there is no attachment to the views that you've expressed. Is that what you're saying?
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2010 13:40:30 GMT -5
Lexianimalsaver: "Nothing is happening."
Then there's really no need to stop it from happening, right?
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