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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2017 7:52:39 GMT -5
Is this the way Moderator has to do even after moderator knows that he is provoking people? Today once again he is calling Enigma as 'Idiot', did you notice that? I've dealt with that separately. Moderators can try more than one approach at the same time you know. Wow, excellent quote from Moderator, Alfio has some reasons to provoke people? What was that Peter? Please let me know? would you ? Don't you think that writing about rubbish things about another person is wrong when that person is not willing to hear anything from him? He had two strands, one was in the tough love mold (ie for your ultimate benefit), and the other was the "I'm providing a public service by forcing Gopal to show his true nature". It took a little while to work through why I found him to be disingenuous, but we got there in the end. You see I need to try harder and harder to make you understand what's apparently abusive. I am in no way saying that it's not abusive. But it's also an opportunity for your personal development. A gift! As are all situations that we don't like. But you're obviously not going to go there, and I can't force you to. You'll get it when you get it and I guess we'll go through this a few more times before you stop creating this reality. It's like a scratch in the akashic record. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2017 7:30:01 GMT -5
These two are two different occasion, you are mixing both. Oh Ok, my bad. You know he is baiting me, So why are you here? To tell me that he is baiting me? Moderator Job is to tell people that he is baiting you? Well I'm trying to be helpful in the wider scheme of things, but I can see I'm not being very effective at that either. I was not knowing this rule, this is the first I am hearing this. That's fine Gopal, it's the first time I'm saying it. If you know he is provoking me, why are you asking me to remain silent rather than banning him? Is this forum for spiritual discussion or Is this forum for mocking? I'm doing both. Alfio had reasons for what he was doing, but ultimately they turned out to not be genuine. Or at least, not genuine enough. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2017 7:03:50 GMT -5
The ban button? Oh yes, that's quite ready  |
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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2017 6:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks Bakk, it's not often a new rule gets created.  |
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Post by Peter on Jan 26, 2017 6:00:50 GMT -5
Now he is saying to me that I have insulted him. you can read the below paragraph. I have been banned for saying "My English is better than yours". Now he is saying to me that saying "I am not interested" is rude and foolish. Peter is Peter! That's the reason I hate him as well. You don't think it's rude? Imagine a friend coming up to you and saying "I've got this thing to tell you about" and you say "I'm not interested". Don't you think they'd feel hurt by that? You don't think that walking up to a policeman and saying "You're bad at your job, you should be replaced" is rude? Try it! But I waste my breath, you've gone to your "I'm totally innocent, he's totally against me" place and plugged up your ears. Gopal, you were not banned for saying "My English if better than yours", you were banned for saying "Maybe your gay wife is the cause of you being a mental retard". I did try to make that clear to you at the time, but as I've said, you seize on the facts that suit your self image, and ignore the inconvenient ones. I say this to you many times, but this is another fact that you don't want to acknowledge. You hate me? Well well well, I can't say I've heard that for many years. I think the last time I heard it, I was 5 years old. How could you accept when someone asks you 'Do you have sex with your mum'? I don't understand,I believe not even a mentally retard idiot can raise this question You just ignore it, because you understand that the person saying it is deliberately baiting you, and you prove to everyone your lack of any sort of spiritual development by reacting like a programmed robot. As he wants you to act, you comply! Do you see how you take the opportunity to have another dig at Alfio, calling him a retard? Innocent Gopal! Have you seen the film Back To The Future? The boys that bully Marty McFly know that he can't stand being called a chicken. So they call him a chicken and every time they do, he does what they're manipulating him into doing. They goad him into a street race, and he crashes his car. Eventually he learns that he doesn't have react this way. So there's ignoring, and then alternatively, you can report the post. I said before that EACH reported post takes me 5 minutes to clear up, so in reporting 7 today, Gopal, you've handed me 35 minutes of work to do. The limit of reported posts per person is 2 per day. Anyone going over that is a spammer, and you know what we do to spammers. Capeesh? |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 15:07:46 GMT -5
Just curious, Are you being paid for this Job? Haha ha ha. No. I would expect to be sacked if I were! You haven't answered my question, will you accept the situation where a child is being beaten? I thought I did answer it, but you obviously don't agree. I was making the distinction between things we choose to accept - like being called a fool or an ineffective moderator - and which we choose to take action against - like seeing a child being beaten. This is what the Serenity Prayer is about. So to be EXTRA ESPECIALLY EXPLICT, no I do not accept a child being beaten. Although we could have a discussion about what the French call "a smack". For your last paragraph, you are right with your assumption, but I find that accepting the situation while it's not in the position to accept is the problem, do you see the problem? I'm sorry I didn't understand you here. "It" is the situation....situations cannot accept anything....so I'm lost. The situation doesn't accept you accepting it? I'm still lost. Do you believe that universe is creative in nature? Have you ever heard of Law of attraction or reality creation? Sure. Yes to both. I think the important point to take from that is that it's not a conscious choice that decides what's created, it's about what you need for your spiritual growth. Which is why you are filling your life with annoying Alfios and bad moderators. What is it you need here that the universe is providing for you? |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 14:14:59 GMT -5
I have insulted you? What? Are you serious? In what way? You don't think that telling someone they're rubbish at their job is an insult? Or is that just an objective assessment in your world? Not to worry, I don't take offence, I just thought it was odd that you could both declare me to be entirely ineffectual and keep reporting posts to me at the same time. What prayer are you talking about? Acceptance is not something you do. Watch out your life carefully. Can you accept the situation as it is when you see a child is being tortured? Can you accept the situation when someone is being cruelly beaten infront of you? The one I suggested you read here. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your mind seizes on the thing that allows you to express your puffed up indignation, make the other person wrong, and in doing so misses the opportunity for something beautiful. The prayer talks about which situations we choose to accept (eg being called a fool, or a rubbish moderator) and which we choose to do something about (the child being beaten). For me that choice is the largest part of the spiritual life. I do not only believe that we are perceivers, I believe that we are creator of our perception as well! Right exactly, so you're creating the perception that people sniping at you in posts is SO ANNOYING that you must demand they be removed from the forum. Rather than taking the opportunity to realise they they, like all phenomena, are fleeting, insubstantial, bound by their own nature to their own limitations and unsatisfactory. Or if not that, that they are grist for the mill and are your teachers for the refinement of your own character. The heat in your crucible. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 13:24:42 GMT -5
Yeah, not happy. How about the prayer? All I want to say is, In your Kingdom many Alfio can roam aroun this forum so freely and they can abuse people as much as they want, when innocent people believes that going to Peter might solve problem will receive the reply from you that ' Let me see whether Alfio is going to do the same next time'! I have zero confidence in you that you could resolve anything here, since I got bored of reporting to you daily. This forum is for the people like alfio as long as you reign. You got bored of it, insulted me about it, but kept doing it anyway. I am very clear about your level of confidence in me. How about that prayer? Did you read it or already know it? |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 12:06:48 GMT -5
Hmm. Did you read the prayer, or did you know it already? Well I understand that you think I'm not a very good one. As for Alfio, none of his posts on their own constitute sufficiently just cause for me to ban him, so I'm having to work through a process of looking at his general posting style and having a talk with him about that, which so far, he's managed to deal with in an acceptable way. So that's where we are with that. I understand that you're not happy with that.  Yeah, not happy. How about the prayer? |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 10:30:22 GMT -5
I say 'I am not interested', You say "I am a fool because I said 'I am not interested'" I have never heard such a silly and useless judgement so far in my life. Hmm. Did you read the prayer, or did you know it already? It's a time for you understand what kind of moderator you are! Well I understand that you think I'm not a very good one. As for Alfio, none of his posts on their own constitute sufficiently just cause for me to ban him, so I'm having to work through a process of looking at his general posting style and having a talk with him about that, which so far, he's managed to deal with in an acceptable way. So that's where we are with that. I understand that you're not happy with that. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 9:55:06 GMT -5
Laughter wasn't into permanent bans, in fact I don't recall him permanently banning anyone. He put people in different rooms, so for example, you might have been consigned to an area of the forum exclusively for nonsense  I don't know, but the way Peter manages completely not acceptable, If you report to him, he will say 'let me see if the same happens again'. "Not acceptable" is it? I think you'd benefit from reading the Serenity Prayer, Gopal. The thing is that these minor infractions that you complain to me about are not enough to justify a ban. So I can say "Look here my good fellow, your language is quite unappealing, please try and temper it somewhat" to the perpetrator, but unless I can pin a solid infraction against them, it would be a bit heavy handed to - for example - take someone out for use of the word "fool", even if they said it a couple of times. I had a convo with Alfio the last time you reported him, and he did actually come back with a convincing argument for what he was up to. Self justification of course, but still. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 6:06:28 GMT -5
This rollercoaster movement never fails to perform it's role in my life, and you and other people here will surely act accordingly. See you've gone to your "heels dug in" place now so I don't think anything I say will be of any use to you. This is the point that I've been meaning to make to Alfio. Can you believe me when I say that your position on the rollercoaster is causing you to focus exclusively on the things that wind you up, and ignore the good, true and helpful things? Also the suggestion that you yourself might be wrong or have something you could learn doesn't seem to have a look in. I completely believe Laffy would do better moderation than you, Am I wrong? Possibly not Gopal, but that bridge was burned. And I suspect Laughter appreciates having the freedom to act as he wishes more than he enjoyed having this job. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 5:59:11 GMT -5
I edited my post, but I see the conversation is racing inexorably on. See spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/396120/thread about your concerns. I also don't want to see people continue to provoke all the people, but I'd have to take out 90% of the members here if I was going to jump on every insult. P It's a lie, he continue to write nonsense about me, nonsense about Enigma and nonsense about many people, but still you do nothing, If Laffy had been here, then the case would have been different, I promise. It's not a lie for me to say that I don't appreciate all the provocation, it's just true to say that I'm not very effective about doing anything about it. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 5:44:53 GMT -5
all I want is, I don't want to be banned for saying 'My English is better than yours', 'I am not interested'. And also I don't want see people like continue to provoke all the people I edited my post, but I see the conversation is racing inexorably on. See spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/396120/thread about your concerns. I also don't want to see people continue to provoke all the people, but I'd have to take out 90% of the members here if I was going to jump on every insult. P |
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2017 5:34:16 GMT -5
Yes I agree it would be better to find another moderator who can devote more time to following conversations. They'd probably make better decisions than I do, if they'd paid more attention. Yes, please make Laughter as another moderator he might reduce your moderator work much! I thought you knew that Laughter has already tried being a moderator? It didn't work out. Edit: Oh I see you did already know that. It didn't work out in such as way as to make it not possible to give it another try. Edit2: Neither 'My English is better than yours', or saying 'I am not interested' is considered "an offence". I'd call those "somewhat provocative" at best. You know that roller coaster of irritation you talk about? Could you consider that is is the motion of the rollercoaster that causes you to make someone wrong. In fact all sorts of things are going on at many levels, but it just seems like you pick the one that causes you the most amount of offence and you run with it. All the good stuff gets ignored. I think. |
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