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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 20:00:30 GMT -5
New hint on who wrote the Jed McKenna books; If we say that truth doesn't exist, then we are saying it is true that truth doesn't exist; a self-nullifying statement like saying there are no absolutes. ~~~Jed McKenna (from the book The Theory of Everything) By the way, is it the truth that there is no truth? This contradiction again demonstrates the limits of intellect.~~~Twittered on June 8th 2012 by a student of Richard Rose. Good hunting, Shawn that paradox is probably as old as logic itself, said in billions of ways ever since the concept of truth was born. I don't see how this connects the dots. But Shawn, why are you being so coy? Are you just trying to drum up interest in JM? Sounds like you have a hunch but don't want to tell. |
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Post by shawntedrow on Apr 23, 2013 16:55:43 GMT -5
Hello maxdeprophet,
Thanks for your comment. The harmony between these two quotes was not intended to connect the dots as in "here's proof". I am sorry that you got that impression. Since you have knowledge of this train of thought as being said a billion times before, I would love to hear from you one simple quote from your library. This subject is of interest to me. Since I am a quote collector, any quote would be appreciated.
In a previous post I was asked for better assistance in the search for the author so I gave this one that you are questioning. In another post somebody suggested to get a list of previous students of Rose and do a process of elimination. My post here was to help in that elimination process. With each students name on that list go on their twitter account to the date June 12th 2012. Then take that information and do further work on your own.
Why am I being so coy in this? If I told you who the author is you wouldn't believe it, plain and simple. The person who wrote the books and the person Jed McKenna do not match on the surface. A person would have to put effort into drawing the curtain down to realize who this embellished Wizard of Oz really is. Without vested, sincere investigative effort, one would just pass over the author's true name. My coying is an attempt to engage inquiry to find out for yourself.
Here is another hint on who wrote the Jed McKenna books that does come closer to connecting the dots;
As I previously have mentioned, all of the books are copyrighted under the name Peter Sweeney (do a search on US copyrights). The language indicates that the copyrights were surrendered to Peter through a licensing agreement. Besides the need to copyright the books, Peter Sweeney is basically a front to keep anyone from knowing who the true author is. There obviously is a trust between Peter Sweeney and the author. One could conclude by this that the true author knows this Peter Sweeney since Peter is the licensee and the author is the licensor.
What are the chances of this exact same student of Rose that I am singling out, personally knowing a Peter Sweeney? Last year, the true author slipped-up and announced the very close relationship he has with an Anne Sweeney who just so happens to have a brother named Peter. He stumbled and unknowingly left this trail.
Does this connect the dots? Is this just "another coincidence?" Maybe, but maybe not.
So why don't I just say what his name is? I want you or whoever to be convinced for yourself. Offering just his name is like asking you to believe in something just because. All I am trying to do is get the wheels turning of inquiry. If you are not interested in knowing that is quite okay. Please keep in mind that towards the beginning of this thread someone had a sincere desire to locate the author of the books. I resonate with that and have responded back in kind by what I feel as being the best approach back.
I hope this quenches your question directed at me. I am sorry if my approach here bothers you.
Best regards,
Shawn
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Post by Reefs on Apr 23, 2013 20:17:50 GMT -5
Hello maxdeprophet, Thanks for your comment. The harmony between these two quotes was not intended to connect the dots as in "here's proof". I am sorry that you got that impression. Since you have knowledge of this train of thought as being said a billion times before, I would love to hear from you one simple quote from your library. This subject is of interest to me. Since I am a quote collector, any quote would be appreciated. In a previous post I was asked for better assistance in the search for the author so I gave this one that you are questioning. In another post somebody suggested to get a list of previous students of Rose and do a process of elimination. My post here was to help in that elimination process. With each students name on that list go on their twitter account to the date June 12th 2012. Then take that information and do further work on your own. Why am I being so coy in this? If I told you who the author is you wouldn't believe it, plain and simple. The person who wrote the books and the person Jed McKenna do not match on the surface. A person would have to put effort into drawing the curtain down to realize who this embellished Wizard of Oz really is. Without vested, sincere investigative effort, one would just pass over the author's true name. My coying is an attempt to engage inquiry to find out for yourself. Here is another hint on who wrote the Jed McKenna books that does come closer to connecting the dots; As I previously have mentioned, all of the books are copyrighted under the name Peter Sweeney (do a search on US copyrights). The language indicates that the copyrights were surrendered to Peter through a licensing agreement. Besides the need to copyright the books, Peter Sweeney is basically a front to keep anyone from knowing who the true author is. There obviously is a trust between Peter Sweeney and the author. One could conclude by this that the true author knows this Peter Sweeney since Peter is the licensee and the author is the licensor. What are the chances of this exact same student of Rose that I am singling out, personally knowing a Peter Sweeney? Last year, the true author slipped-up and announced the very close relationship he has with an Anne Sweeney who just so happens to have a brother named Peter. He stumbled and unknowingly left this trail. Does this connect the dots? Is this just "another coincidence?" Maybe, but maybe not. So why don't I just say what his name is? I want you or whoever to be convinced for yourself. Offering just his name is like asking you to believe in something just because. All I am trying to do is get the wheels turning of inquiry. If you are not interested in knowing that is quite okay. Please keep in mind that towards the beginning of this thread someone had a sincere desire to locate the author of the books. I resonate with that and have responded back in kind by what I feel as being the best approach back. I hope this quenches your question directed at me. I am sorry if my approach here bothers you. Best regards, Shawn Dear Shawn, Is there already a list of famous/infamous Rose students? We are talking about a guy here, do we? "Famous" Rose student I've found so far is David Gold who's also doing business with Andrew Cohen. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by shawntedrow on Apr 23, 2013 22:32:36 GMT -5
Hello Great Blue Hole of Belize,
So David Gold is still with Andrew Cohen? I did communicate with David about four to five years ago regarding the books of Jed McKenna. He didn't offer much as he told me back then that he never heard of the books. I remember that I was suspicious of his answer for some reason. The author of the books did not do this undertaking alone. There had to be a team of people supporting his efforts. My suspicion was that David might have been involved or knew about the initial launch of the first book but I could never prove it.
I am not the person to answer your question regarding providing a list of Rose's students that are presently or have been in the role of a teacher. I would suggest contacting some old students from the TAT or SIG organization. It would be interesting to see that list. I wonder what Rose would think (if he could) of that list?
Shawn
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 10:00:55 GMT -5
Hello maxdeprophet, Thanks for your comment. The harmony between these two quotes was not intended to connect the dots as in "here's proof". I am sorry that you got that impression. Since you have knowledge of this train of thought as being said a billion times before, I would love to hear from you one simple quote from your library. This subject is of interest to me. Since I am a quote collector, any quote would be appreciated. Well don't mind me, I was just spouting off a little. Puerile pedantic petty. I hadn't any clue if such a statement had been said before but since I had thought and said something similar during some college dorm late night hall chat, and I am not special, I just assumed it was a natural deduction that probably had been uttered a lot throughout history. You might look up the Liar's Paradox, which touches on the same issue, for example. "This sentence is false." It's getting to same point and has been around since Ancient Greece. I imagine it was around before that too. I read the books and liked them. I haven't been able to read them again, though I've tried. I credit Jed for getting me looking into this whole nonduality biz. He slipped me the gateway drugs. Been hooked for a while now. I've also wondered since first reading his stuff who he is. And also I've wondered if it matters. It doesn't really, IMO. He's written some fun books. No sweat Shawn! Hope you git that white whale! |
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Post by xear on May 4, 2013 8:54:49 GMT -5
On the guru ratings page it doesn't say who is doing the rating which is of interest and only fair to list. Also I would suggest there be room for a comments page on the particular guru rating so others can share their opinion.
I will share my opinion on the AVOID rating for Pamela Wilson.
Since there are so many "spiritual teachers" around with a wide variety of messages, I would say one criteria for rating a teacher is how well they stick to the main message. What is the main message? IMO it is: to want what is. That's it. That's the whole message. You can put that simple message in a million packages, explain it a million ways, but it is that simple. You could call it a union of wills, yours and the Divines. But in the end it all boils down to the same kindergarten teaching. In fact I would say if a teacher is not presenting this message so it can be understood by small children they are a poor teacher.
Anyway, I've thought Pamela was pretty good for staying on message. She certainly is not giving out mantras or chakra meditations. As far as the silence with her not being deep ... was that on her end or the reviewers? If on hers how did you know? Mind reading? Soul reading?
As far as her teaching not being deep enough to merit questions ... are you joking?
Is not silence the ultimate teaching according to Ramana? Did he consider satsang successful when people were bursting with questions?
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Post by doublesecretagent on Aug 7, 2013 1:49:55 GMT -5
I come up with August Turak, the Self Knowledge Symposium guy. Funny in that I lived where he did (Raleigh-Durham) when I most wanted to know his identity.
I don't understand why this information hasn't been offered to everyone.
I need to do some more reading before I'm convinced, but I thought I'd save y'all some time & effort.
I come from the open source software community, where transparency is deeply ingrained and respected. Hence I don't at all understand why any and all info regarding Jed McKenna's identity hasn't been shared.
I will openly share my findings, whatever they may be...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:25:23 GMT -5
Transparency, in general, is a good thing, agreed. I just don't see why it matters in this case. Even without knowing his identity, it's easy to see that it is a fictional structure for the delivery of certain information. It's like the Castanada series. Perhaps when the real identity/story is known, the delivery of that information, those pointers, will cease to be as effective. Whatever, it was a good run.
In any case, I think it's important to understand where the drive for knowing JM's real identity comes from. It's something I was curious about too. But I think now that it is totally irrelevant to the message being conveyed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:37:01 GMT -5
Transparency, in general, is a good thing, agreed. I just don't see why it matters in this case. Even without knowing his identity, it's easy to see that it is a fictional structure for the delivery of certain information. It's like the Castanada series. Perhaps when the real identity/story is known, the delivery of that information, those pointers, will cease to be as effective. Whatever, it was a good run. In any case, I think it's important to understand where the drive for knowing JM's real identity comes from. It's something I was curious about too. But I think now that it is totally irrelevant to the message being conveyed. For me, I was thrilled with the prospect of knowing whether this guy walked the talk or was just writing some books for money and fun. I still wonder that. But I'm more interested in his recommendations of UG, Richard Rose, Maharshi, and Niz. |
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Post by doublesecretagent on Aug 18, 2013 1:05:30 GMT -5
Jed McKenna's real identity is August Turak.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 18, 2013 9:55:36 GMT -5
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Post by estrella on Apr 2, 2014 8:28:21 GMT -5
hi everyone, can the one who KNOWS 100% Jed McKennas identity give a clue that leads to actual knowledge that it is indeed August Turak...I have looked into all the info available and yes there is a lot that speaks for it...but still, I would like to know for certain. Thank you beloveds  |
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Post by lilsun13 on Nov 6, 2014 23:03:59 GMT -5
Hi All,
I've only been on this site a few weeks and am loving it. So awesome that I can include links in conversations. I just wanted to share with others what works for me and I can do this here. Feel so free..like spirituality should be. Thank you so much :-))
Lilsun13
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Post by soggy on Mar 30, 2016 16:54:38 GMT -5
I read a lot of the above, at first in hopes I would be informed, but it seemed more like a puzzle, so I skipped down here to post. I will return to the puzzle part probably. My path has been through random exposure, and I have not read much in the way of spiritual books, and I am not familiar with most of the teachers. I accidentally learned about Tolle, and now stumbled upon this site.
Hello, and thanks for the site.
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Post by zin on Mar 30, 2016 17:01:36 GMT -5
I read a lot of the above, at first in hopes I would be informed, but it seemed more like a puzzle, so I skipped down here to post. I will return to the puzzle part probably. My path has been through random exposure, and I have not read much in the way of spiritual books, and I am not familiar with most of the teachers. I accidentally learned about Tolle, and now stumbled upon this site. Hello, and thanks for the site. Welcome soggy!  |
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