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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 25, 2024 7:21:09 GMT -5
But ND says this waking world is only a dream. When you jump off from the Empire Estate building, smashed yourself into the pavement. You will be waken into another dream, into another physical body in due course. Since you have not completely wiped off your karma from your previous life ( Sad Guru ). This debate has no end. Reality, is neither subjective nor objective, but instead, is a wonderous and beautiful dance of mystery, that yes, often brings pain. A realization is possible that puts this into perspective. In that perspective, there are no more questions. There can be empathy and compassion for those who suffer, and there is a capacity for an indescribable joy, that includes a deep pathos for the human condition.  The debate does have an end, see video above (I know it's long). I'm going to start a separate satch-thread, on-it. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 25, 2024 7:28:42 GMT -5
But ND says this waking world is only a dream. When you jump off from the Empire Estate building, smashed yourself into the pavement. You will be waken into another dream, into another physical body in due course. Since you have not completely wiped off your karma from your previous life ( Sad Guru ). This debate has no end. Reality, is neither subjective nor objective, but instead, is a wonderous and beautiful dance of mystery, that yes, often brings pain. A realization is possible that puts this into perspective. In that perspective, there are no more questions. There can be empathy and compassion for those who suffer, and there is a capacity for an indescribable joy, that includes a deep pathos for the human condition. BG 2:11 Chapter 2 Verse 11 " The wise grieves neither for the living or dead. " |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 7:38:35 GMT -5
This debate has no end. Reality, is neither subjective nor objective, but instead, is a wonderous and beautiful dance of mystery, that yes, often brings pain. A realization is possible that puts this into perspective. In that perspective, there are no more questions. There can be empathy and compassion for those who suffer, and there is a capacity for an indescribable joy, that includes a deep pathos for the human condition. BG 2:11 Chapter 2 Verse 11 " The wise grieves neither for the living or dead. " Then call me a fool, sometimes. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 7:41:14 GMT -5
This debate has no end. Reality, is neither subjective nor objective, but instead, is a wonderous and beautiful dance of mystery, that yes, often brings pain. A realization is possible that puts this into perspective. In that perspective, there are no more questions. There can be empathy and compassion for those who suffer, and there is a capacity for an indescribable joy, that includes a deep pathos for the human condition. The debate does have an end, see video above (I know it's long). I'm going to start a separate satch-thread, on-it. Right. Well, then, if the debate is at an end, walk your talk and make that the last time you engage in it.  |
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Post by melvin on Aug 25, 2024 7:42:42 GMT -5
BG 2:11 Chapter 2 Verse 11 " The wise grieves neither for the living or dead. " Then call me a fool, sometimes. You must be a fool for love, laffy. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 25, 2024 7:52:08 GMT -5
The debate does have an end, see video above (I know it's long). I'm going to start a separate satch-thread, on-it. Right. Well, then, if the debate is at an end, walk your talk and make that the last time you engage in it. I don't have a clue what this post means, or the reason for the link. (Watch the new satch-thread video). |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 8:54:33 GMT -5
Right. Well, then, if the debate is at an end, walk your talk and make that the last time you engage in it. I don't have a clue what this post means, or the reason for the link. (Watch the new satch-thread video). I wrote that the debate about reality as either objective or subjective has no end. You wrote that it does. Well, if the debate has an end, then prove it is at an end by ceasing to debate it.  I watched that video. It is a case of arrested existential development on the part of the content creator, as explained in detail, therein.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 25, 2024 9:24:59 GMT -5
I don't have a clue what this post means, or the reason for the link. (Watch the new satch-thread video). I wrote that the debate about reality as either objective or subjective has no end. You wrote that it does. Well, if the debate has an end, then prove it is at an end by ceasing to debate it. I watched that video. It is a case of arrested existential development on the part of the content creator, as explained in detail, therein. I'll eventually watch the video again. I probably will not break it down as you wish. But, he's saying the manifest world, look around, is subjective. The Ground, what he calls the Creator (he felt that term has less baggage), is objective. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 9:30:58 GMT -5
I wrote that the debate about reality as either objective or subjective has no end. You wrote that it does. Well, if the debate has an end, then prove it is at an end by ceasing to debate it. I watched that video. It is a case of arrested existential development on the part of the content creator, as explained in detail, therein. I'll eventually watch the video again. I probably will not break it down as you wish. But, he's saying the manifest world, look around, is subjective. The Ground, what he calls the Creator (he felt that term has less baggage), is objective. Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. |
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Post by sharon on Aug 25, 2024 9:35:33 GMT -5
I'll eventually watch the video again. I probably will not break it down as you wish. But, he's saying the manifest world, look around, is subjective. The Ground, what he calls the Creator (he felt that term has less baggage), is objective. Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. Would that make it a mystery? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 25, 2024 9:43:39 GMT -5
I'll eventually watch the video again. I probably will not break it down as you wish. But, he's saying the manifest world, look around, is subjective. The Ground, what he calls the Creator (he felt that term has less baggage), is objective. Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. He's just saying Consciousness is the origin. I thought everybody here agreed on that much. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 25, 2024 9:47:01 GMT -5
Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. Would that make it a mystery? Michaels is saying the manifest world is the (subjective) box. He's saying it's possible to experience outside the box (not just have a realization of-it). |
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Post by sharon on Aug 25, 2024 9:55:03 GMT -5
Would that make it a mystery? Michaels is saying the manifest world is the (subjective) box. He's saying it's possible to experience outside the box (not just have a realization of-it).
Is he living from outside the box then? |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 10:06:08 GMT -5
Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. He's just saying Consciousness is the origin. I thought everybody here agreed on that much. You can reduce what he said to the point of the anodyne but he still said it. "Consciousness", like "reality" .. well, it depends what you're referring to. He referred to non-dual pointers as "superficial". This is true, but only if you ignore what people mean by them. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2024 10:07:52 GMT -5
Nothing new in that conclusion, but it is premised on the misconceived need for a creator to begin with. Subjective/objective is a conceptual dichotomy. A very useful one, but, in existential terms, it only provides a false resting place for the mind. And his means of arriving there is pure philosophy, psychology. It's also a jejune sophistry. The distinction between a Universe that had a starting point, or one that is eternal, with no beginning and no end, is a similar dichotomy. Reality is completely sideways of any and all such dichotomies. There is no limiting the limitless. There is no box that can contain infinity. Would that make it a mystery? In one sense, very much so, yes. But in another .. (** glances out window **) ... the scent of late summer, is sweet. There is a cicada singing about it. |
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