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Post by andrew on Sept 28, 2023 15:56:11 GMT -5
I've asked myself this question in the last 3 months in America. ... I believe that we have to look at this as being a symptom, a manifestation of a psychic mass characteristic of this people. Everywhere on Earth, the specific mass characteristics of the people manifest in some specific way, according to the specific conditions: health, poverty, unrest, war, natural catastrophies, ... Maybe, this health issue is one of the local mass manifestation of choice caused by the underlying psychic climate that results from the same negative emotions (anger, hate, fear, ...) as in other parts of the world, where it manifests differently. US hasn't seen war on its land for much longer than elsewhere, for example. The religious background can be said to be overall less antagonistic. The overall wealth (of resources to) and development are at higher levels. yes, good points. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 28, 2023 16:00:43 GMT -5
Just want to add that I'm currently in the mid-west, towards the north, and the changing Autumn colours are stunning....the vivacious purples and intense reds. Quite magical. I'm dog walking twice daily which is giving me plenty of immersion time. And the changing weather each day...will it be shorts or jumper today?
Oh, and black squirrels! Who knew!
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Post by lolly on Sept 28, 2023 20:56:23 GMT -5
I'd never heard of Taubes until now, so I did a bit of a background check - he's an idiot. You found his first book on fat loss. It disagrees with your view. The first book is more technical, Good Calories, Bad Calories, full of the science, full of scientific-paper-data. People kept asking him for a streamlined book. That became Why We Get Fat. The Fat Conundrum isn't a physics problem. You gave me one research paper with 20 people (from your video), and it wasn't even about weight loss in particular. I'll probably get to Why We Get Sick, sooner. Stop pretending that I have 'a view' and therefore the Fung/Taubes view is equally valid. I talk the established science and they talk hogwash. Their core views have been completely, utterly and thoroughly debunked.
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Post by lolly on Sept 28, 2023 21:03:22 GMT -5
Ps, besides which the videos I post reference multiple research papers (not just one as you apparently believe). I bet any one video referenced at least 5 studies including at least one meta-analysis.
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Post by lolly on Sept 28, 2023 21:43:28 GMT -5
I wrote an article about it for my little newsletter back in the day. It's not bad, but it skips over things for brevity gets a bit woolly at the end because the difference between energy (calories) lost to heat and energy lost to work are not exactly easy to tease apart. The article defines a calorie before explaining how molecules are absorbed, metabolised, and then expelled from the body; and why calories are and excellent proxy for that process.
The PDF is a bit loose, and doesn't have the latest edits, but it's good enough for general info.
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Post by lolly on Sept 28, 2023 22:28:50 GMT -5
With exercise and food, I only do things I could sustain for the rest of my life. I eat around 2 or 3 pm each day. It's an indulgent meal, whatever I want, except soda. Then in the evening I eat a light meal around 7 pm. Yogurt, fruit, a protein drink, a handful of nuts. I fast 16 or 17 hours til the next day, then feast again. Fast and feast. Been doing this forever. My bmi is high as hell , but I can do 50 push-ups without stopping so according to some study I read about I should outlive the skinny guys like sree, poor sree. I miss the dude. I weight train 2 to 4 times a week depending on how much tennis I play. I'm in a tennis league now so down to 2 times. I weigh 205. Met an old lifter in his 80's at my gym, he told me "don't let them(docs)talk you into dropping below 200. I did and they f'd me up." I took his advice. For recovery from all the exercise, I do yoga and Tai Chi, but only 15 or 20 minutes. Almost daily. You have to have fun. You'd like weight training, real technical. Read a few books. My favorite author is Stuart McRobert. Just some ideas. Doing over reading, though. But take it easy if it gets too tedious, you won't enjoy it and you'll stop. The one thing that'll give you the most bang is weight training, but go easy. Yea. BMI is only used for broad population averages. It isn't a valid metric on an individual level. Individual metric is amount of lean mass vs. body fat %. Some people are within healthy range for BMI but have low levels of lean mass (inadequate muscle). In your case, having a higher than average lean mass, at 200lbs you'd be low fat % and shredded.
I lift 6 days a week with a push/pull/legs split, and do mostly lightish manual labour. My muscle mass is slightly above average for a person my height (6'3"), but I only weigh about 190-200lbs. I don't have the genetics to pile on muscle (I have baby giraffe genes), and being over 55 it's harder than it used to be to build muscle, and easier to deposit fat.
I keep saying body-weight is a poor way of looking at it. Losing weight is specific to fat while weight gain is specific to muscle, and what we want to achieve is not a specific weight, but as much lean mass as possible with optimal body fat %. Hence appropriate calories, adequate protein intake and resistance training is the formula.
I think you're nailing it. I'd take the advice and do what you do
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Post by lolly on Sept 29, 2023 1:40:36 GMT -5
This guy does the best research reviews. He's not a good nutritionist, but he nails the science.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 29, 2023 2:39:44 GMT -5
This guy does the best research reviews. He's not a good nutritionist, but he nails the science. /watch?v=pyuyakz6leo That meta-study results make sense. Fasting causes fat storage, and lowers metabolism hence weakens body when deprived of fuel. Calories are ... calories (energy). This reminds of a recent post that used the formulation "historical geopolitical hallucinations", which inherently yield undesired and often painful results. |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 29, 2023 7:04:09 GMT -5
This guy does the best research reviews. He's not a good nutritionist, but he nails the science.
His other video on time-restricted eating/fasting was equally interesting, and seems to have the most proof of benefits beyond equal caloric intake. It may depend on genetics and individual circadian rhythms, but eating earlier in the day and less in the evening certainly seems to improve sleep and increase weight loss for some people. Good info! |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 29, 2023 10:48:09 GMT -5
As I stated on the other thread, my primary concern was and is high blood glucose levels, known from testing fasting blood glucose levels, after at least an 8 hour fast (from all food). So I've been exploring ways to keep my blood glucose levels down, because this leads to type 2 diabetes. So everything I've posted on both threads centers around this issue. I have not been primarily concerned, previously, with weight loss, or I would not be 50 pounds overweight. I've tried to convey this, I will continue to. I mentioned the book I started reading this week, Why We Get Sick by Benjamin Bikman, PhD, 2020. I'll get to quotes from it, but this video is a short cut. I found it just now after watching lolly's newly posted video. (I linked to a video that popped after after finishing, and then that video led to this video). This video gives in 17 minutes what I'm leaning from the new book. High blood glucose levels is not the problem, it's the symptom. The problem is high insulin levels in the blood, this in turn causes high blood glucose levels. Sadly, most doctors treat high blood glucose, which doesn't solve the problem. So I'm going to stay focused my issue, which 50%-70% of Americans have. If you are fat, you most assuredly have insulin resistance. The lady in the video recommends a paleo diet over fasting and over a keto diet, so I'm not promoting a certain idea, other than repairing the problem. This is most excellent science. lolly's guy said there are NO additional isolated benefits to fasting (and a keto diet) other than weight loss, and this is equal to just reducing calories. This video, and the Bikman book, which I'll get to, prove that wrong. I learned just yesterday, reading the book, that you can have high blood glucose, insulin resistance, for 20 years before it shows up as high blood glucose. Fasting reduces blood glucose levels, because it reduces blood insulin levels. Again, high insulin blood levels is the actual problem that leads to type 2 diabetes. Even lolly's earlier video says fasting reduces these levels, significantly.
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Post by laughter on Sept 29, 2023 10:48:19 GMT -5
I like pudding.
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Post by andrew on Sept 29, 2023 11:16:37 GMT -5
 Jenn loves American pudding. Pudding in the UK is a little different to America. We have delights like 'syrup sponge pudding', 'sticky toffee pudding', 'chocolate sponge pudding'. They basically constitute a light sponge smothered in sticky sauce. Eaten hot, and ideal with thick custard, though some prefer cream/ice-cream. I have been considering asking my sister to send me a parcel which includes some. I eat pretty healthily in general, but absolutely require sweetness in my diet. 
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 29, 2023 11:47:47 GMT -5
About 4 years ago my mother made an egg custard pie. I was in the den and heard a crash, she had just taken it out of the oven and dropped it on the floor. When I got to the kitchen (about ten feet) she already had a broom and dust pan in her hands. I, just to stop her, instinctively it popped out: What are you doing! She said I'm gong to clean my mess up. I said, no you're not. I scooped the whole thing up, and ate almost all of it right then. (She was compulsively a cleaner, so I knew the floor was clean).
Egg custard virtually = pudding. She made a good banana pudding also, I always asked her to put in extra vanilla wafers. Best eaten before the vanilla wafers get too soggy.
Incidentally, growing up we always had a snack a couple of hours after dinner (supper), before bedtime. After she died, so I never got to ask her, I figured out the why. She was born in 1930 so grew up during the depression. My Grandpa was a farmer, so I know they always had food, but I later realized she maybe went to bed hungry. So she never wanted us hungry.
OK, memories are coming. Ever heard of stickies? My favorite desert as a kid.
Already mentioned, but to andrew, I like sweets. But I accidentally discovered eliminating sweets-sugar eliminated my acid reflux-heartburn, completely (that's a minor miracle). I'll take that trade any day. (On rare occasions I do eat sweets).
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 29, 2023 11:55:29 GMT -5
This guy does the best research reviews. He's not a good nutritionist, but he nails the science. /watch?v=pyuyakz6leo That meta-study results make sense. Fasting causes fat storage, and lowers metabolism hence weakens body when deprived of fuel. Calories are ... calories (energy). This reminds of a recent post that used the formulation "historical geopolitical hallucinations", which inherently yield undesired and often painful results. is virtually impossible (I hate to make absolute statements), but. It's like saying screwing causes chastity. I didn't look at the meta-study. |
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Post by tenka on Sept 29, 2023 13:38:08 GMT -5
There are for sure relatively cheapish foods that are good for you. I mean liver is cheap as chips (pun) Sardines, etc .. I noticed today that stuff is just going up and up .. a decent bottle of proper olive oil nearly a tenner in the uk .. I think peeps get seduced by the nicer flavoured foods, rather than what is good for you .. I have a mixture of cider vinegar, cayenne peppers, spirulina, garlic, when I take my yeast and other vits. It tastes like shit butt I don't care . My body tends to like less food nowadays .. Like Z I can go from an evening meal to an evening meal having a handful of nuts or seeds in-between and then exercise .. I touched upon it in the other nutrition thread about keeping certain food groups together. There is lots of info on this, but as there are different views in non duality there are in regards to nutrition . I mean one day eggs are good for you and the next they contribute to heart disease . Yeah I'm not a nutrition expert at all, just try and eat intuitively and decently. I love a donut and don't deny myself the unhealthy stuff. Yeah, it's the basics in the UK that were still cheap 3 months ago....the sardines, tuna, beans, porridge oats, hummous. Bran Flakes from Aldi in UK are about 70p. Here more like $2.50...in Aldi! What's interesting is the way my conditioning is shifting though. I notice in certain ways how my brain is slowly becoming American 😳😁 When you come back to the UK you are going to be weighing 400lbs and speak with an American accent How long are you planning on staying for? |
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