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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 1:27:19 GMT -5
That's what I assumed you meant--fleeting with no carryover. Much like little children who get irritated with one another and five minutes later they're playing happily again. As an adult, no thoughts like "it shouldn't have happened," no thoughts about selfhood, just empty irritation that sometimes goes beyond a mild response. I was calling that stronger response "anger," but I guess we could find another word for it. One example that I vividly remember involved a concrete truck driver. A helper and I were pouring footings in hot weather, and what I assume was a poorly-trained driver was dumping too much concrete into the trenches, which required extraordinary effort to drag and level the stiff concrete (anyone who has dragged concrete with a come-along or a rake in hot weather will understand the issue--it makes you pull your guts out). We kept telling the guy to watch the grade stakes and not dump too much concrete as he moved forward, but he kept doing it. After twenty minutes of this, my helper and I got what I would call "angrier and angrier" because he was killing us, but he refused to slow the discharge rate or respond to what we kept telling him. Either that or he was so clueless that he didn't realize the amount of additional work he was making us do. Afterwards, I called the concrete company and told them to never send us that driver again. On that particular day we definitely blamed the guy for making us work ten times harder than would have been necessary if a good driver had been at the wheel of the truck. We went from being increasingly irritated to totally pissed off and exhausted by the time he left the site. I suppose someone sitting in an air-conditioned room thinking logically might conclude that our response was utterly unenlightened, but I would love to see such a person put in the same situation. Could things have been any different? No, because that's the driver that got sent to us, and that was how reality unfolded that day. There were no thoughts about how things should have been any different; it was simply, "Expletive! Expletive! Expletive! Stop killing us!" I call that response "anger," and I don't think it has a thing to do with how deeply realized someone is. 
Oh man, brings to mind my recent experience with our 5 cats and little wienie dog.....we've just listed our home for sale, had back to back showings.......had simultaneously just changed all the pets dry food to some new-fangled grain free type, and viola, all of 'em developed diarrhea....seemed every time I turned around there was a new, fresh "accident" right where I'd just mopped and left a nice, fresh sparkling floor for the next showing.....there were a few expletives going 'round there, I assure you as I cleaned and re-cleaned and then did it all over again.....add to it, the absence of offers, the need to keep going with showings....in fact, we're still going with showings.....showings suck  ....you get the pic, I'm sure.
But yeah, no instrinsic blame or sense of how things were going fundamentally wrong or "should" have been different. And I agree with you, that IS key. As I've said, it can be very difficult simply looking on, observing another to decipher with clarity whether true "sense of separation/blameful anger" really is in play, or not.
I actually find those kinds of experiences serve even more poignantly as evidence that it's all one, seamless movement....but even more than that...that God has one helluva a sense of humor!
Zendancer could not have acted differently, that's the point. He is right when says it is the way it got unfolded. |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 21, 2023 8:19:46 GMT -5
That's what I assumed you meant--fleeting with no carryover. Much like little children who get irritated with one another and five minutes later they're playing happily again. As an adult, no thoughts like "it shouldn't have happened," no thoughts about selfhood, just empty irritation that sometimes goes beyond a mild response. I was calling that stronger response "anger," but I guess we could find another word for it. One example that I vividly remember involved a concrete truck driver. A helper and I were pouring footings in hot weather, and what I assume was a poorly-trained driver was dumping too much concrete into the trenches, which required extraordinary effort to drag and level the stiff concrete (anyone who has dragged concrete with a come-along or a rake in hot weather will understand the issue--it makes you pull your guts out). We kept telling the guy to watch the grade stakes and not dump too much concrete as he moved forward, but he kept doing it. After twenty minutes of this, my helper and I got what I would call "angrier and angrier" because he was killing us, but he refused to slow the discharge rate or respond to what we kept telling him. Either that or he was so clueless that he didn't realize the amount of additional work he was making us do. Afterwards, I called the concrete company and told them to never send us that driver again. On that particular day we definitely blamed the guy for making us work ten times harder than would have been necessary if a good driver had been at the wheel of the truck. We went from being increasingly irritated to totally pissed off and exhausted by the time he left the site. I suppose someone sitting in an air-conditioned room thinking logically might conclude that our response was utterly unenlightened, but I would love to see such a person put in the same situation. Could things have been any different? No, because that's the driver that got sent to us, and that was how reality unfolded that day. There were no thoughts about how things should have been any different; it was simply, "Expletive! Expletive! Expletive! Stop killing us!" I call that response "anger," and I don't think it has a thing to do with how deeply realized someone is. It is the best example of what I have been saying. If I were there, then I would get angry too. But that's where my important point lies. It's not about making your inner cool, and let the outer world be whatever way it is. That's not what we are saying. Everything that gets unfolded is one single story , It could have occurred differently, may be an efficient driver's arrival might have made you happy. So there lies the point. No, it could not have happened any differently. How do I know that without a doubt? Because it didn't. I enjoy telling people that it's impossible to make a mistake because there is no alternative to whatever actually happens except in imagination. The reason I enjoy telling people interested in ND this is because it can put their minds at ease about what a "correct approach" to waking up might be. People think about what appear to be choices in the past and they think, "I had a choice between A and B, and I mistakenly chose B when I should have chosen A." They imagine that there was an alternative course of action, but that idea is solely a product of imagination. Reality unfolds however it unfolds, and there is no SVP doing anything. Whatever happens happens in whatever way it happens. End of story. The anger issue is also one that is solely based on imagination. From my POV there is no roller coaster at all. The roller coaster is also a product of imagination. If there is no reflective thought that things should be different than they are, and no sense of being separate from what's happening, life is a smooth unfolding of whatever is happening and there is no psychological resistance to that unfolding. It can be discovered that what one IS IS the unfolding, and that particular discovery results in acceptance and equanimity no matter what the circumstance might be. One might imagine that the concrete experience I described is evidence of a roller coaster, but not from this character's perspective. It, too, was part of the smooth flow of life that is fundamentally "empty" in the Buddhist sense of the word. When there is non-abidance in mind (no attachments to thoughts or beliefs) and the habitual sense of being a SVP is gone, there is simply THIS unfolding however it unfolds. If one sees this deeply enough, life becomes very simple and direct, and action takes precedence over imagination. I was once asked to describe what life is like after the usual sense of selfhood vanishes, but it's almost impossible to describe because no words can adequately capture it. It's so matter-of-fact and so down-to-earth that one simply responds directly to whatever is happening without imagining that there is a "me" at the center of whatever is happening. 99% of thought becomes unnecessary, and thoughts no longer create the illusion of a roller coaster. It's like floating down a river with no obstacles. Yesterday I was having fun chainsawing some small trees away from a fencerow when a tree fell in a weird way. pinched the saw, and caused it to kick back and slice though my jeans and my left leg. I hadn't had that sort of thing happen in twenty years, and it was surprising to look down and see blood because I hadn't felt a thing. Fortunately, the saw didn't cut very deeply, and I didn't even bother to go apply an antibiotic or get my leg bandaged until a few hours later.Just another fascinating and unpredictable unfoldment of THIS. Should that have happened? Absolutely because that's exactly what did happen. If one has no expectations, no desires, no ideas about how life should be, no ideas about how other people should be, no worries about the future, no regrets about the past, no self image to defend, no second guessing of one's actions, no resentments, no "negative" feelings, total comfort in not-knowing what will happen next, and an open acceptance of "what is" as it is, one can be pretty happy being a nobody. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 21, 2023 10:08:21 GMT -5
further thought.....I'd say that the ideas of both 'growth' and 'learning' engender the idea of there being 'forces' bound up with that growth/learning. Otherwise there would be no process of growth/learning. And it doesn't make sense in this context to say that we control/choose 'forces'. By definition, 'forces' act upon us. In my view, Life...experience....is not about 'I'. It's about 'relationship'. As part of that, sometimes an 'I-focus' is useful though. I started a few times to reply, then I deleted because I wanted to respond clearly, but I couldn't find a way to compare to what you wrote above. Maybe in another context ... Yep no problem, thanks for explaining |
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Post by andrew on Jun 21, 2023 10:11:02 GMT -5
You cannot know for certain the depth of resistance arising by simply observing. I define "anger" as something beyond mere arising/falling irritation/frustration; It's involves the presence of a judgment so deep that that the condition being judged is deemed to be fundamentally "intolerable." It's an absence of the illumination/unobscured shining through of fundamental perfection.
There's an issue in simply observing responses of folks on forums and thinking you can know for certain that their judgments actually extend that deep.
Experience moves up and low. When it goes too high, it comes down to anger rage, when it goes little high, then it comes down to irritation. It's a wave. Bipolarity is a disorder treated by doctors, but for many folks, it's entirely possible to bliss out in meditation for a while, without going into rage the next day. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 21, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -5
It would look exactly as it does now. THIS, in the form of humans, can be happy, sad, irritated, angry, compassionate, aloof, etc. even if there are no thoughts at all. However, most humans think ideas that are believed to be true (are attached to), and that adds an extra layer of problematic response. Blame is one of those ideas. You have been immersed in your belief. Ask a simple question, If you know nobody is responsible for what's happening, then why are you angry and for what? Would you go and stab the character who acted in the movie after completing the movie? Don't know that's scripted? There's momentum to our conditioning. If you find yourself getting angry with your wife or your daughter it doesn't mean that you haven't realized the existential truth about personhood, it just means that there is conditioning playing itself out. The realization is timeless, in an instant, and is of what can be pointed to as unconditioned. These human reactions are conditioning, and are time-bound. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 21, 2023 10:51:22 GMT -5
The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? , everything moves around according our inner nature. We are creating the world around us and people in it with our belief and the clarity. New clarity will remove certain people from lives . . But this "inner nature": ultimately there is no "inner", there is no "outer". You know that already. The question for you is, "what creates"? It's not the illusory false personal self, but then again, it's also undeniable that this "inner state" is not insignificant, once we start considering issues like anger. |
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:23:57 GMT -5
I think there is a context issue involved here Gopal.
The realization that ultimately there is "no-one/no-thing" fundamentally to blame....no one that is fundamentally/actually separate who could volitionally, independently "choose" something different than what appeared is something different than the experiential/in the dream assignation of accountability to an appearing person.
While the realization that no one/no-thing is fundamentally, independently choosing or to blame for anything that arises in experience, the experience/appearance of personal accountability as a facet of the unfolding story/dream, does still to some degree remain in play.
And that's really how it is for a myriad of responses/behaviors/story facets, following SR. Because the apparent me character, complete with personality, likes/dislikes, continues to appear even after seeing through the separate, volitional entity/person, there are still going to be 'human/personalized' responses to the behaviors and such of apparent others.
Built into the dream/story IS the story of personal accountability....of personal choice. That story does get seen for what it is and does get re-framed as experiential content/appearance only in SR, but that does not mean the appearance of personal choice/accountability completely disappears from the story.
So long as discrete, individuals are experienced, experiential personal accountability.....personal agency is still to some degree going to remain in play.
This is the same issue that plagues many a Nonduality discussion; An erroneous mistaking of what continues to remain in play within the story vs. what goes in the seeing through of separation.
This is similar to how seeing the fundamental perfection of all of it does not necessarily mean you will never again 'dislike' something that imminently appears. Personal judgments still happen...they simply do not extend as deep....they no longer have the overlay of the SVP inherent to them.
Again, same issue as the erroneous assumption that seeing through "a" perceiver/experiencer/doer/seer/thinker, then necessary means a complete dissolving of the experience of people who perceive/experience/see/think.
Fundamental/existential seeing does change experience, but not always in the ways the person might think it should. The world of many things, of individualized persons, continues to appear following the realization that it's all fundamentally One.
Too much to read, please write less next time. Ok. This is the boiled down version. 
"So long as discrete, individuals are experienced, experiential personal accountability.....personal agency is still to some degree. going to remain in play."
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:31:02 GMT -5
You cannot know for certain the depth of resistance arising by simply observing. I define "anger" as something beyond mere arising/falling irritation/frustration; It's involves the presence of a judgment so deep that that the condition being judged is deemed to be fundamentally "intolerable." It's an absence of the illumination/unobscured shining through of fundamental perfection.
There's an issue in simply observing responses of folks on forums and thinking you can know for certain that their judgments actually extend that deep.
Experience moves up and low. When it goes too high, it comes down to anger rage, when it goes little high, then it comes down to irritation. It's a wave. The observation of patterns within experience can never move beyond just that; A mere observation of an apparent, experiential pattern. You cannot rely on those apparent patterns to try to arrive at fundamental "law"....."Truth" about the how's and why's of what appears/arises in experience.
I do agree, experiential, relatively speaking, my life experience to date, has indeed been observed as moving in thoe 'waves'....where some stuff is liked/preferred, other stuff, not so much....emotions feelings experienced are on the upper part of the emotional scale, and then they move downwards, an ongoing dance of sorts, and all without 'problem,' so long as there is no judgment heaped upon that experiential dance/movement.
My experience does not support that necessity for a very 'high' feeling/emotion to then extend very 'low.' It's only the lower depths that dissolve in the absence of an SVP. Joy.....awe....bliss...whatever label you give to strongly positive, loving feelings are abundant, and absent an inevitable movement down into depths of deep discord.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:36:21 GMT -5
Rather than focusing/inquiring into the events/conditions themselves, I say it's far more fruitful to inquire into your judgments and feelings about them....how deep do those judgments go? Are you able or not to see an inherent, fundamental perfection even in those conditions that are not conforming with your personal preferences/likes? Recognizing that life is a rollercoaster ride marks the initial stage of the human game. Without this realization, one remains at the starting line, yet to embark on the game of life. It is indeed a very basic seeing that the happenings of life are going to dance up and down between liked/disliked to some degree, regardless of what's been realized.
So yes, I think I am in agreement with what you're saying there.
It's a hallmark of the imagined separate person to try to fight against that movement between polarities of human judgment/likes/dislikes re: what appears in experience. The SVP wants to try to control that wave so that only the upper echelons of the scale are experienced....the SVP does not accept the 'dancing/moving/constantly changing' nature of feelings emotions and that's largely what 'suffering' is all about.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:44:18 GMT -5
The realization of inherent, fundamental perfection is impersonal seeing. The sense that you are creating the world around you with your personal beliefs and clarity and that new clarity "causes/creates" certain people's removal from your life, is personal/relative, experiential content/seeing.
The vantage point that reveals the perfection is not one of 'movement/sequential story unfolding.' It's one of stillness.....imminent presence to THIS/NOW. In that imminent stillness, there is no idea/sense of some-thing unfolding or 'being created/catalyzed/caused.'
I do get it that you've "experienced" certain people disappearing from your life on the heels of new clarity, but that does not mean that it is Absolute Truth that your new seeing/clarity actually WAS causal/creative catalyst to that removal.
To truly see through ALL separation is to also see through causality....volition....time....
Those still to some degree remain a facet of the story, but seeing through causality means you no longer hold to the idea of "creation" as Truth.
You are creating people with certain characteristic to express certain aspect in you. If you remove that expression through your new clarity, then those people who are needed for that expression would be removed as well. Is this realization based seeing/knowing? If so, by what means have you realized it? Truth is not revealed by experiential content and what you are describing above there, IS very much 'experiential content.'
Just because you have reference for experience (perhaps many experiences) whereby you came to a certain clarity and then a certain person dropped from your life, does not mean that clarity is actually/Absolutely 'causal/creative' to the ensuing disappearance of that person from your life.
Cause/effect, time, while indeed remaining facets of the ongoing story, post SR, are now seen to ultimately be illusory/inferred. The clarity, the disappearance of the specific person, the perception/observation of that happening, the arrival at the conclusion that the "clarity" created/caused the disappearance, ALL OF IT, in the dream content....an appearance....cannot be relied upon to tell you the Absolute/existential Truth.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:48:57 GMT -5
Probably because I've been a happy camper with an extremely optimistic outlook for the last thirty years or so, and rarely felt any significant or lasting anger, I see that issue somewhat differently. It seems to me that anger is on the extreme end of a spectrum that has minor irritation on the other end. I occasionally meet people who appear to have serious anger issues, but in most cases it seems to be a result of heavy stress, anxiety, fear, or past trauma. I've noticed that alcohol seems to release suppressed anger in a some people and I assume that it results in most cases from past trauma. As you note, it's difficult to know exactly what generates anger in other people. The only sage I know about who has claimed never to get angry is Eckhart Tolle, but his lifestyle is extraordinarily unusual compared to most people. I suspect that road rage and other expressions of significant anger probably arise due to financial or other forms of lifestyle stress. Hard to know. Enigma is another person whom you have interacted with. He claims to be lost anger when he attains the clarity. He did describe at times "expressing" what may have appeared to an onlooker to be anger....a recall a story of some incident regarding his ex, where to get her to leave him alone, he felt compelled to raise his voice...yell....but he described it as a sort of "faux anger," whereby he remained completely conscious and aware of what was happening.
That's very much something I can relate to, specifically re: my pet mess story...there was the "holy shit" response....and isn't this inconvenient and crazy, but there was also simultaneously, or very quickly on the heels of that response, an ability to laugh and see the lighter side....so very much an absence of 'immersion' in the expressed resistant response.
I think it's important to listen to ZD as he describes what is 'absent' in those experiences he's sharing.....he seems to be quite clear in his last response that there is no stickiness....no lasting impression. I think it was Satchi who used a really metaphor for this....the sand/foot-print that immediately gets smoothed out as the next wave rides up to wash it.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:50:26 GMT -5
Defined in that way, then I guess I'm in the Tolle camp and didn't know it.  I always thought of anger as extreme irritation or annoyance, so I hope Gopal reads this cause he's been banging on about this for years and years! I do read, don't worry. The funny thing in your teaching is, you claims that personal self-hood is illusion which means you know no one is responsible for what's happening and you still say yet you get angry on them. Does that make any sense? Will you fetch water when you realize that what you perceive ahead is not a pool of water but a mirage? It's really important in this 'anger' convo to pay attention to precisely how someone is defining that word....what they actually mean. Otherwise, you're talking apples and the other may be talking oranges. |
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 11:54:52 GMT -5
That's what I assumed you meant--fleeting with no carryover. Much like little children who get irritated with one another and five minutes later they're playing happily again. As an adult, no thoughts like "it shouldn't have happened," no thoughts about selfhood, just empty irritation that sometimes goes beyond a mild response. I was calling that stronger response "anger," but I guess we could find another word for it. One example that I vividly remember involved a concrete truck driver. A helper and I were pouring footings in hot weather, and what I assume was a poorly-trained driver was dumping too much concrete into the trenches, which required extraordinary effort to drag and level the stiff concrete (anyone who has dragged concrete with a come-along or a rake in hot weather will understand the issue--it makes you pull your guts out). We kept telling the guy to watch the grade stakes and not dump too much concrete as he moved forward, but he kept doing it. After twenty minutes of this, my helper and I got what I would call "angrier and angrier" because he was killing us, but he refused to slow the discharge rate or respond to what we kept telling him. Either that or he was so clueless that he didn't realize the amount of additional work he was making us do. Afterwards, I called the concrete company and told them to never send us that driver again. On that particular day we definitely blamed the guy for making us work ten times harder than would have been necessary if a good driver had been at the wheel of the truck. We went from being increasingly irritated to totally pissed off and exhausted by the time he left the site. I suppose someone sitting in an air-conditioned room thinking logically might conclude that our response was utterly unenlightened, but I would love to see such a person put in the same situation. Could things have been any different? No, because that's the driver that got sent to us, and that was how reality unfolded that day. There were no thoughts about how things should have been any different; it was simply, "Expletive! Expletive! Expletive! Stop killing us!" I call that response "anger," and I don't think it has a thing to do with how deeply realized someone is. It is the best example of what I have been saying. If I were there, then I would get angry too. But that's where my important point lies. It's not about making your inner cool, and let the outer world be whatever way it is. That's not what we are saying. Everything that gets unfolded is one single story, It could have occurred differently, may be an efficient driver's arrival might have made you happy. So there lies the point. You are positing then an experience that is only filled with stuff that the person judges to be wanted/positive/liked. That's not what it means to be awake. The personality complete with likes/dislikes continues on post awakening. And experience...the appearing world, complete with distinction, polarities, continues to arise.
You've said yourself that the wave/movement, up/down nature of feeling/emotion is a natural facet of experience, haven't you? What you are positing is the end of that up/down movement....where only 'liked' content arises. That would mean the complete end of personal judgment and so long as a me character continues to appear, that's nothing more than an erroneous idea.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 21, 2023 12:03:44 GMT -5
Oh man, brings to mind my recent experience with our 5 cats and little wienie dog.....we've just listed our home for sale, had back to back showings.......had simultaneously just changed all the pets dry food to some new-fangled grain free type, and viola, all of 'em developed diarrhea....seemed every time I turned around there was a new, fresh "accident" right where I'd just mopped and left a nice, fresh sparkling floor for the next showing.....there were a few expletives going 'round there, I assure you as I cleaned and re-cleaned and then did it all over again.....add to it, the absence of offers, the need to keep going with showings....in fact, we're still going with showings.....showings suck ....you get the pic, I'm sure.
But yeah, no instrinsic blame or sense of how things were going fundamentally wrong or "should" have been different. And I agree with you, that IS key. As I've said, it can be very difficult simply looking on, observing another to decipher with clarity whether true "sense of separation/blameful anger" really is in play, or not.
I actually find those kinds of experiences serve even more poignantly as evidence that it's all one, seamless movement....but even more than that...that God has one helluva a sense of humor!
Zendancer could not have acted differently, that's the point. He is right when says it is the way it got unfolded. I don't think his point was that he "could not" have acted differently, it's that he did not act differently, what arose, arose, and there was no 'other' voice or mind-based judgment that interjected with reason/importance TO behave/express in any particular way.
Being present and conscious though, absent a whirling, busy mind, generally does mean remaining aware as conditions/emotions arise/appear...there is a sort of "spaciousness" then....an absence of full immersion in those kinds of arising responses. That's my reference anyway....ZD can answer for himself re: that if he feels so inclined.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 12:10:42 GMT -5
It is the best example of what I have been saying. If I were there, then I would get angry too. But that's where my important point lies. It's not about making your inner cool, and let the outer world be whatever way it is. That's not what we are saying. Everything that gets unfolded is one single story , It could have occurred differently, may be an efficient driver's arrival might have made you happy. So there lies the point. No, it could not have happened any differently. How do I know that without a doubt? Because it didn't. I enjoy telling people that it's impossible to make a mistake because there is no alternative to whatever actually happens except in imagination. The reason I enjoy telling people interested in ND this is because it can put their minds at ease about what a "correct approach" to waking up might be. People think about what appear to be choices in the past and they think, "I had a choice between A and B, and I mistakenly chose B when I should have chosen A." They imagine that there was an alternative course of action, but that idea is solely a product of imagination. Reality unfolds however it unfolds, and there is no SVP doing anything. Whatever happens happens in whatever way it happens. End of story. The anger issue is also one that is solely based on imagination. From my POV there is no roller coaster at all. The roller coaster is also a product of imagination. If there is no reflective thought that things should be different than they are, and no sense of being separate from what's happening, life is a smooth unfolding of whatever is happening and there is no psychological resistance to that unfolding. It can be discovered that what one IS IS the unfolding, and that particular discovery results in acceptance and equanimity no matter what the circumstance might be. One might imagine that the concrete experience I described is evidence of a roller coaster, but not from this character's perspective. It, too, was part of the smooth flow of life that is fundamentally "empty" in the Buddhist sense of the word. When there is non-abidance in mind (no attachments to thoughts or beliefs) and the habitual sense of being a SVP is gone, there is simply THIS unfolding however it unfolds. If one sees this deeply enough, life becomes very simple and direct, and action takes precedence over imagination. I was once asked to describe what life is like after the usual sense of selfhood vanishes, but it's almost impossible to describe because no words can adequately capture it. It's so matter-of-fact and so down-to-earth that one simply responds directly to whatever is happening without imagining that there is a "me" at the center of whatever is happening. 99% of thought becomes unnecessary, and thoughts no longer create the illusion of a roller coaster. It's like floating down a river with no obstacles. Yesterday I was having fun chainsawing some small trees away from a fencerow when a tree fell in a weird way. pinched the saw, and caused it to kick back and slice though my jeans and my left leg. I hadn't had that sort of thing happen in twenty years, and it was surprising to look down and see blood because I hadn't felt a thing. Fortunately, the saw didn't cut very deeply, and I didn't even bother to go apply an antibiotic or get my leg bandaged until a few hours later.Just another fascinating and unpredictable unfoldment of THIS. Should that have happened? Absolutely because that's exactly what did happen. If one has no expectations, no desires, no ideas about how life should be, no ideas about how other people should be, no worries about the future, no regrets about the past, no self image to defend, no second guessing of one's actions, no resentments, no "negative" feelings, total comfort in not-knowing what will happen next, and an open acceptance of "what is" as it is, one can be pretty happy being a nobody. Will get back to you tomorrow |
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