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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2023 13:17:09 GMT -5
This does sound more like the clipping experience Laughter mentioned recently. Actually, the original definition of flow experience (Csikszentmihalyi) is your skill level perfectly matching the challenge you are facing. If the challenge you are facing is far greater than your current skill level, you will experience anxiety. And that's not fun. And if the challenge is far less than your current skill level, you will experience boredom. And that's not fun either. So flow is basically the sweet spot between boredom and anxiety. And that's where the fun is. (That was actually also the title of a book, Beyond Boredom and Anxiety: Experiencing Flow in Work and Play by Csikszentmihalyi) Which means, potentially, contrast can be huge in flow. So that's not such a good example. I see. I'll explain it like this then... I believe this dimensional reality is about remembering our true nature, and that includes our capacity as apparent individuals to create. What some might call 'mastery'. And it's actually a lower level game, in the sense that it requires relatively high level density to play it. Though in another sense this lowered level game attracts the most curious and bold souls. It's a helluva challenge. But at this point, it's almost finished for many souls on earth, and it's time for a higher level game, though the transition process between one game and another is a new and interesting process in itself. But in the higher level game, the key theme is play. We explore mastery in really fun ways, and somewhat unimaginable from where we are now. And ultimately that's just another cycle. After that some souls may choose to drop back into heavier density again for the experience, or some may progress more into non physicality e.g Abraham I like the game metaphor much better than the school metaphor. Although I would prefer Abe's vacation metaphor, hehe.  |
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Post by tenka on Jun 25, 2023 13:44:26 GMT -5
I don't think many truly understand the nature of what constitutes an individual. Years and years go by and peeps still don't know if their partner is a conscious being and still don't know why they can't move mountains.
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Post by tenka on Jun 25, 2023 13:46:56 GMT -5
The personal self isn't an illusion at all. It's self evident . A personal self that isn't separate from anything doesn't however mean that as an individual one created a mountain, or can one move one .
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Post by inavalan on Jun 25, 2023 14:34:56 GMT -5
Then I must be able to move the mountains If I wish to . You said you are creating the world so that means you have created the mountains. If you have created the mountains why can't you move them? Maybe that's because you didn't create the world. That kind of argument leads nowhere. You don't understand what he means (no matter if he's right or not). The answer is in your question: - "You said you are creating the world so that means you have created the mountains. If you have created the mountains why can't you move them? Maybe that's because you didn't create the world."
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2023 15:42:38 GMT -5
The personal self isn't an illusion at all. It's self evident . A personal self that isn't separate from anything doesn't however mean that as an individual one created a mountain, or can one move one . yes, I have yet to move one, though that doesn't stop me trying  ...'be the spoon'.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 20:31:50 GMT -5
You said you are creating the world so that means you have created the mountains. If you have created the mountains why can't you move them? Maybe that's because you didn't create the world. That kind of argument leads nowhere. You don't understand what he means (no matter if he's right or not). The answer is in your question: - "You said you are creating the world so that means you have created the mountains. If you have created the mountains why can't you move them? Maybe that's because you didn't create the world."
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Post by inavalan on Jun 25, 2023 20:37:14 GMT -5
That kind of argument leads nowhere. You don't understand what he means (no matter if he's right or not). The answer is in your question: - "You said you are creating the world so that means you have created the mountains. If you have created the mountains why can't you move them? Maybe that's because you didn't create the world."
I understand what he means. It's you I don't understand. What's your point? Childish reply ... EDIT: (at least that's how it sounds to me, no offense intended). |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 25, 2023 20:40:47 GMT -5
The personal self isn't an illusion at all. It's self evident . A personal self that isn't separate from anything doesn't however mean that as an individual one created a mountain, or can one move one . yes, I have yet to move one, though that doesn't stop me trying ... 'be the spoon'.... ... Intend and expect to see it bending. EDIT: and believe it is possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 20:41:11 GMT -5
I understand what he means. It's you I don't understand. What's your point? Childish reply ... EDIT: (at least that's how it sounds to me, no offense intended). Well if there's no offense intended don't say my response is childish. And I still don't understand your point. Now you have two options. You can either answer my question properly or make another stupid remark. |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 25, 2023 20:50:00 GMT -5
Childish reply ... EDIT: (at least that's how it sounds to me, no offense intended). Well if there's no offense intended don't say my response is childish. And I still don't understand your point. Now you have two options. You can either answer my question properly or make another stupid remark. The you that creates reality isn't the you that talks / writes. They are elements of a gestalt you. EDIT: I wrote that " the reply sounds childish to me". Even the wisest guy may say something that sounds childish to someone. You deemed my remark stupid, because you got offended. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 20:53:33 GMT -5
Well if there's no offense intended don't say my response is childish. And I still don't understand your point. Now you have two options. You can either answer my question properly or make another stupid remark. The you that creates reality isn't the you that talks / writes. They are elements of a gestalt you. That's just an abstract concept. I don't know what a gestalt is. It's not in my experience. I am is my experience. I think. I act. |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 25, 2023 21:00:35 GMT -5
The you that creates reality isn't the you that talks / writes. They are elements of a gestalt you. That's just an abstract concept. I don't know what a gestalt is. It's not in my experience. I am is my experience. I think. I act. Surely, to you it doesn't matter what I believe, but what you believe. Same here. Have you ever watched one of those shows where a hypnotist makes a subject not see holding his shoe in his hand? ( no offense intended) EDIT: duckduckgo.com/?q=gestalt+definition&ia=definition |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 21:10:56 GMT -5
That's just an abstract concept. I don't know what a gestalt is. It's not in my experience. I am is my experience. I think. I act. Surely, to you it doesn't matter what I believe, but what you believe. Same here. Have you ever watched one of those shows where a hypnotist makes a subject to not see holding his shoe in his hand? Now I know why you talk about offense because you are easily offended even when there's nothing to offend you. I think you need to work on that. Where did I say that it doesn't matter to me what you believe? I thought we were having a discussion where you state your view or belief and I state mine.It sounds like you've been to the same hypnotist you are referring to. What I am implying by asking gopal why he can't move the mountains he supposedly created is that I don't believe gopal when he says that we create the universe. The universe simply appears to us, but for some reason he thinks we are creating it. If we create something we need selfhood and doership to do that. If we are indeed creating the universe it must be done by an act of will and that act of will must come from some sense of selfhood which he denies. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 25, 2023 21:40:28 GMT -5
Surely, to you it doesn't matter what I believe, but what you believe. Same here. Have you ever watched one of those shows where a hypnotist makes a subject to not see holding his shoe in his hand? Now I know why you talk about offense because you are easily offended even when there's nothing to offend you. I think you need to work on that. Where did I say that it doesn't matter to me what you believe? I thought we were having a discussion where you state your view or belief and I state mine.It sounds like you've been to the same hypnotist you are referring to. What I am implying by asking gopal why he can't move the mountains he supposedly created is that I don't believe gopal when he says that we create the universe. The universe simply appears to us, but for some reason he thinks we are creating it. If we create something we need selfhood and doership to do that. If we are indeed creating the universe it must be done by an act of will and that act of will must come from some sense of selfhood which he denies. I asked Chatbot about this. Here is the operative paragraph. "This understanding does not imply that we have complete control over external events or that we can simply will things into being. Instead, it points to the profound influence of our internal state on our experience of the world. We may not be able to change certain circumstances, but we have the capacity to shape our responses, attitudes, and interpretations, which in turn shape our experience and the way we engage with the world." Is this what Gopal is pointing to? |
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2023 21:44:21 GMT -5
yes, I have yet to move one, though that doesn't stop me trying ... 'be the spoon'.... ... Intend and expect to see it bending. EDIT: and believe it is possible. I think the other condition is that I'd have to authentically want to do it too. And I don't think I want to. Because then I'd be a spoon bender and I don't feel that to be my path right now. Kind of like Seinfeld once said...'I'm not an orgy guy!' |
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