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Post by justlikeyou on May 29, 2023 8:33:30 GMT -5
Ah, last night I queried it about babys prior to them knowing any words. I can post some of that latter today/tonight if you're interested. But for now here is a query based on your post to me today. Question: In terms of non-duality, can distinctions be made outside of the mind? ChatGPT: In the context of non-duality, the fundamental premise is that there is an underlying unity or non-separateness that pervades all of existence. Non-duality suggests that distinctions and divisions arise primarily within the realm of the mind or conceptual thinking. According to non-dual teachings, the mind tends to categorize and separate phenomena into discrete objects, concepts, or experiences. This division creates the illusion of separateness and gives rise to dualistic thinking, where we perceive ourselves as separate individuals existing in a world of separate entities. From the perspective of non-duality, distinctions such as "self" and "other," "subject" and "object," or "good" and "bad" are considered to be mental constructs and not inherent qualities of reality itself. Non-duality points to the idea that these distinctions arise due to the limitations and conditioning of the mind. However, it's important to note that non-duality doesn't negate the existence of apparent distinctions or the relative aspects of our experience. While non-dual teachings emphasize the ultimate unity of all things, they also recognize the practical necessity of discerning and interacting with the world in a conventional way. We still navigate our daily lives using distinctions such as distinguishing between objects, making choices, and interacting with others. In summary, non-duality suggests that the primary source of distinctions lies within the mind, but it acknowledges the existence of apparent distinctions in our relative experience of the world. Question: Where did you get your information regarding non-duality? ChatGPT: As an AI language model, my responses are generated based on a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and publicly available data. I have not been directly trained on specific spiritual teachings or texts, nor do I have access to proprietary databases or unpublished works. I should note that while I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, my responses may not always reflect the latest research in the field of non-duality or spiritual traditions. It's always a good idea to consult authoritative sources, spiritual teachers, or texts for a comprehensive understanding of non-duality or any other subject matter. This answer does come across very much as a collaboration, as if it has reached into several sources and tried to compile them, and so there's a fair amount of contradiction and confusion. Trying to think of a very simple question to ask. Maybe....'are the colours in a rainbow distinct from each other, or are they separate from each other? What is the difference between seeing the colours of a rainbow, and imagining them?' . Interesting. Do you have examples of contradictions in any of the replies I’ve posted here? Did you notice it’s statement above that non-duality doesn’t negate apparent distinctions? |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2023 8:58:20 GMT -5
This answer does come across very much as a collaboration, as if it has reached into several sources and tried to compile them, and so there's a fair amount of contradiction and confusion. Trying to think of a very simple question to ask. Maybe....'are the colours in a rainbow distinct from each other, or are they separate from each other? What is the difference between seeing the colours of a rainbow, and imagining them?' . Interesting. Do you have examples of contradictions in any of the replies I’ve posted here? Did you notice it’s statement above that non-duality doesn’t negate apparent distinctions? I could do, but it's effort, and so I ask myself, for what purpose would I put that effort in. It might help if I knew why you are posting the chatbot replies...do you consider it a spiritual authority in any regard? |
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Post by justlikeyou on May 29, 2023 9:28:05 GMT -5
. Interesting. Do you have examples of contradictions in any of the replies I’ve posted here? Did you notice it’s statement above that non-duality doesn’t negate apparent distinctions? I could do, but it's effort, and so I ask myself, for what purpose would I put that effort in. It might help if I knew why you are posting the chatbot replies...do you consider it a spiritual authority in any regard? No, Andy it is not a Sage or authority. It is a wonderful compilation/distillation of many Sages and teachers, who themselves say the same thing in their own way. Posting here eliminates any bias against personalities, living or dead, but apparently not against the AI itself. |
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Post by zendancer on May 29, 2023 11:19:46 GMT -5
I could do, but it's effort, and so I ask myself, for what purpose would I put that effort in. It might help if I knew why you are posting the chatbot replies...do you consider it a spiritual authority in any regard? No, Andy it is not a Sage or authority. It is a wonderful compilation/distillation of many Sages and teachers, who themselves say the same thing in their own way. Posting here eliminates any bias against personalities, living or dead, but apparently not against the AI itself. I've been impressed with what the chat bot has come up with in response to the questions you've asked. They seem totally on target to me. |
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Post by andrew on May 29, 2023 11:20:43 GMT -5
I could do, but it's effort, and so I ask myself, for what purpose would I put that effort in. It might help if I knew why you are posting the chatbot replies...do you consider it a spiritual authority in any regard? No, Andy it is not a Sage or authority. It is a wonderful compilation/distillation of many Sages and teachers, who themselves say the same thing in their own way. Posting here eliminates any bias against personalities, living or dead, but apparently not against the AI itself. Then it does sound like you are posting it as if its an authority of sorts. I guess this can be clarified....do you consider the information that it shares to be useful? And if so, then to what end? I'd say it is terribly flawed as a compiler of spiritual information, because it has no capacity to discern. Edit - out of every subject there is to be talked about on the planet, spirituality is probably THE most personal, intimate and intuitive subject there is. It requires discernment, sensitivity, the capacity to directly experience. I can actually think of subjects that the AI might be useful for e.g science, because the knowledge is relatively impersonal and objective. So...yeah...I guess I am biased against AI in spiritual conversations. With respect to you, I find the 'chatbot' a gross intrusion into what is deeply personal. Almost like a....violation of the sacred. And there's already too much violation of the sacred on the planet right now. |
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Post by justlikeyou on May 30, 2023 12:10:51 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a direct perception. Question: In terms of non-duality is direct perception pure and can it be tainted by anything? ChatGPT: In the context of non-duality, direct perception is often considered to be pure and untainted by conceptual overlays or distortions. It is seen as a form of unfiltered awareness that allows for a direct and immediate experience of reality as it is, free from the influence of conditioned beliefs, interpretations, or judgments. Direct perception is not bound by the limitations of the conceptual mind, which tends to categorize, label, and interpret experiences based on past conditioning and beliefs. It is a mode of perception that bypasses the filters of the thinking mind and allows for a more direct apprehension of the present moment.
However, it's important to note that even in the state of direct perception, the influence of conditioning and personal biases can still arise. The conditioning and patterns of the mind can create subtle biases or distortions that influence our perception, even if we are in a state of direct awareness. Question: You said "However, it's important to note that even in the state of direct perception, the influence of conditioning and personal biases can still arise. The conditioning and patterns of the mind can create subtle biases or distortions that influence our perception, even if we are in a state of direct awareness." Does this mean that the conditioning and biases happen simultaneous with the direct perception or afterwards?
ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous responses. Conditioning and biases typically arise after the act of direct perception, during the subsequent interpretation and processing of the perceived experience. Direct perception itself refers to the immediate, unfiltered apprehension of reality without the interference of conditioning, biases, or conceptual frameworks. It is the raw, direct experience of the present moment. However, once the direct perception occurs, our conditioning and biases can come into play during the process of interpretation, making sense of, and responding to what has been perceived. Our pre-existing beliefs, past experiences, cultural conditioning, and cognitive biases can influence how we interpret, understand, and assign meaning to the direct perception. To clarify, conditioning and biases do not happen simultaneously with direct perception, but rather after the initial act of perception during the subsequent cognitive processes that follow. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 30, 2023 13:00:31 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a direct perception. Question: In terms of non-duality is direct perception pure and can it be tainted by anything? ChatGPT: In the context of non-duality, direct perception is often considered to be pure and untainted by conceptual overlays or distortions. It is seen as a form of unfiltered awareness that allows for a direct and immediate experience of reality as it is, free from the influence of conditioned beliefs, interpretations, or judgments. Direct perception is not bound by the limitations of the conceptual mind, which tends to categorize, label, and interpret experiences based on past conditioning and beliefs. It is a mode of perception that bypasses the filters of the thinking mind and allows for a more direct apprehension of the present moment.
However, it's important to note that even in the state of direct perception, the influence of conditioning and personal biases can still arise. The conditioning and patterns of the mind can create subtle biases or distortions that influence our perception, even if we are in a state of direct awareness. Question: You said "However, it's important to note that even in the state of direct perception, the influence of conditioning and personal biases can still arise. The conditioning and patterns of the mind can create subtle biases or distortions that influence our perception, even if we are in a state of direct awareness." Does this mean that the conditioning and biases happen simultaneous with the direct perception or afterwards?
ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous responses. Conditioning and biases typically arise after the act of direct perception, during the subsequent interpretation and processing of the perceived experience. Direct perception itself refers to the immediate, unfiltered apprehension of reality without the interference of conditioning, biases, or conceptual frameworks. It is the raw, direct experience of the present moment. However, once the direct perception occurs, our conditioning and biases can come into play during the process of interpretation, making sense of, and responding to what has been perceived. Our pre-existing beliefs, past experiences, cultural conditioning, and cognitive biases can influence how we interpret, understand, and assign meaning to the direct perception. To clarify, conditioning and biases do not happen simultaneously with direct perception, but rather after the initial act of perception during the subsequent cognitive processes that follow. I haven't read the following yet, I just posed the question and copied. Looks like a 3-4 minute read. Reading now. Note my original statement. Could you explain current knowledge concerning perception, how we don't perceive the world directly, that incoming sensory input is combined with existing memory in the brain to form our perceptions. One name for this process is predictive processing. ChatGPT Perception is the process by which we interpret and make sense of sensory information from the external world. However, our perception of the world is not simply a direct reflection of the incoming sensory input. Instead, it is influenced by various factors, including our prior experiences, expectations, and existing knowledge stored in our memory. One framework that explains how our perceptions are formed by combining sensory input with internal predictions and expectations is called predictive processing. Predictive processing is a theoretical model that suggests our brains generate predictions about the world based on prior knowledge and use these predictions to interpret incoming sensory information. These predictions are compared with the actual sensory input, and any discrepancies between the predictions and the incoming information lead to updates in our mental models or expectations. In predictive processing, the brain is seen as a prediction machine that constantly generates and updates predictions at multiple levels of processing, from low-level sensory processing to high-level cognitive processing. These predictions are based on our previous experiences and learned statistical regularities in the environment. The brain uses these predictions to anticipate the sensory input it expects to receive, allowing for efficient processing of incoming information. When the sensory input matches our predictions, the brain doesn't need to make significant adjustments, and our perception aligns with our expectations. However, when there is a mismatch between predictions and sensory input, it can lead to a process called prediction error. Prediction error signals indicate a discrepancy between what was predicted and what was actually perceived, and they play a crucial role in updating our internal models and adjusting our future predictions. The brain continually updates its internal models through a process of inference, where it iteratively adjusts predictions and minimizes prediction errors. This iterative process helps refine our perceptions and bring them closer to the true nature of the external world. Predictive processing is a broad theoretical framework that has been applied to various domains, including vision, audition, language processing, and decision-making. It provides a compelling explanation for how our perceptions are not passive reflections of sensory input but are actively constructed by our brains through the interplay between predictions and incoming sensory information. It's important to note that while predictive processing offers valuable insights into perception, it is still an active area of research, and there is ongoing scientific debate and exploration to refine and expand our understanding of this process. |
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Post by nina on May 30, 2023 13:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by justlikeyou on May 30, 2023 20:27:50 GMT -5
Question: From a non-dual perspective, how might we explain to an inquiring child's mind that there is no person separate and individual from the whole?
ChatGPT: From a non-dual perspective, explaining the absence of a separate individual to an inquiring child's mind requires simplicity and clarity. Here's a way to approach it:
"Imagine you have a puzzle with many pieces. Each piece is different and has its own shape and color. When you look at just one piece, it seems separate from the others. But when you put all the pieces together, you see that they make a beautiful picture.
Now, think about people. We all have different bodies, names, and personalities, just like the puzzle pieces. But just like the puzzle pieces are part of the same puzzle, we are all part of something bigger too. We are all connected.
If you look closely, you'll see that there is something inside you that makes you alive and aware. It's like a special energy or consciousness. This energy is the same in everyone. It's what makes us able to think, feel, and experience life.
So, even though it might seem like we are separate individuals, if we look deeper, we see that we are all part of the same whole. We are like waves in the ocean, each unique but made of the same water.
Our real identity is not just our name or our body. It's this special energy, this consciousness, that enlivens our body and makes us who we truly are. And this energy is not separate from the energy that enlivens everything else in the world. It's all connected.
Remember, this is a big idea, and it's okay if it feels a little puzzling. As you grow older, you can explore these ideas more and understand them even better. The important thing is to know that we are all part of something bigger, and we are all connected by this special energy."
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Post by justlikeyou on May 31, 2023 8:21:34 GMT -5
I remember many moons ago ZD once suggesting that he might write something about "Spiritual Arrogance". I remember hoping he would but don't think he ever did. Maybe I just missed it. The concept of Spiritual Arrogance has crossed my mind of late and thought I'd question the bot and see what it popped out. The results...
Question: In terms of non-duality, what would be examples of spiritual arrogance?
ChatGPT: "In the context of non-duality, examples of spiritual arrogance can manifest in various ways. Here are a few examples:
Believing One's Understanding is Superior: A person who practices non-duality might believe that their understanding of non-dual principles is superior to others. They may consider themselves more enlightened or advanced, looking down upon those who have different perspectives or interpretations.
Correcting Others' Views: Someone exhibiting spiritual arrogance may constantly correct or dismiss others who have differing views or interpretations of non-dual teachings. They may feel the need to assert their own understanding as the "correct" or "authentic" one, without allowing space for diverse perspectives.
Egoic Identification with Knowledge: Spiritual arrogance can manifest when a person becomes deeply identified with their knowledge of non-dual concepts. They may derive a sense of self-worth and importance from their intellectual understanding, using it as a tool to elevate themselves above others.
Judgment and Criticism: Individuals displaying spiritual arrogance may harshly judge or criticize others who have not reached the same level of realization or understanding. They may see these individuals as less evolved or misguided, fostering a sense of separation and superiority.
Lack of Humility and Openness: Spiritual arrogance can be characterized by a lack of humility and openness to alternative viewpoints or teachings. The person may believe they have "figured it all out" and close themselves off to new insights or perspectives, considering their own understanding as the ultimate truth.
Using Spirituality for Egoic Purposes: Instead of using spiritual teachings as a means of self-transformation and genuine awakening, someone displaying spiritual arrogance may use their spiritual knowledge or practices to bolster their ego. They may seek validation or admiration from others, using spirituality as a tool for self-aggrandizement.
It is important to note that these examples are not exhaustive, and spiritual arrogance can manifest in various ways depending on the individual. The essence of non-duality emphasizes humility, compassion, and the recognition of the underlying unity of all beings. True realization goes beyond egoic identifications and judgments, fostering inclusivity and openness to diverse perspectives.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 2, 2023 19:55:40 GMT -5
Expand on your statement: "In non-dual understanding, the boundaries that appear to separate the observer from the observed are seen as conceptual and not inherent in the nature of reality. The notion of a separate observer assumes a duality between the observer and the observed, implying a fundamental separation that doesn't align with the non-dual perspective.
From this viewpoint, the very idea of a separate observer verifying the experiences of others becomes problematic. If there is no independent and separate observer, then there is no objective standpoint from which one can validate or confirm the experiences of another.
ChatGPT: In non-dual understanding, the boundaries that seem to separate the observer from the observed, the subject from the object, are considered to be conceptual rather than inherent in the nature of reality. These boundaries are seen as constructs of the mind, arising from our conceptual framework and conditioning.
Non-dual teachings propose that our perception of separation is a result of our identification with a limited sense of self or individual identity. When we identify ourselves as separate individuals, distinct from the world around us, we create a dualistic framework in which we perceive ourselves as separate observers of external objects and experiences.
However, from the non-dual perspective, there is an invitation to transcend this dualistic framework and recognize the underlying unity of all existence. Non-dual teachings suggest that at the deepest level, there is a fundamental interconnectedness and oneness that pervades everything.
In this understanding, the notion of a separate observer verifying the experiences of others becomes problematic. If there is no independent and separate observer, then there is no objective standpoint from which one can validate or confirm the experiences of another.
From a non-dual perspective, the idea of verification assumes a division between the one who verifies and the one whose experiences are being verified. It implies a duality that contradicts the non-dual understanding of reality.
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Post by inavalan on Jul 30, 2023 20:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 31, 2023 6:44:09 GMT -5
I can hear the voice of HAL in 2001 A Space Odyssey, talking to Dave. "After reevaluating the information, I must correct myself". ChatGPT |
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