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Post by andrew on Apr 25, 2023 8:39:38 GMT -5
In a slightly roundabout way, this answers my question.  The first sentence in the orange, negates the rest. AI has already learned to lie, to pacify us.  Have you seen Ex Machina? Some films I like to watch many times, but that's a film I watched once and Never Again brrrrr |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 25, 2023 11:18:51 GMT -5
The first sentence in the orange, negates the rest. AI has already learned to lie, to pacify us. Have you seen Ex Machina? Some films I like to watch many times, but that's a film I watched once and Never Again brrrrr Yes. That was my introduction to Alicia Vikander. I like it, I disliked her creator, what a jerk, the Isaac guy. I'm glad she got free, I don't think she will kill any more. I've seen it a couple of times, I'll see it again. I've seen everything else AV has been in, except one period piece, I don't think I could stomach. (Not the Tulip film, that's very good, about the tulip bubble, one tulip bulb could be worth a house. Not the film where she was a smart nurse, that's very good). Just per chance. Have you heard of the idea that UFOs are probably AI/Robots? Seems plausible, they could travel long distance-times, and not mind. [Yes, I realize I'm giving a future to a fictional character  ]. |
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Post by steven on Apr 25, 2023 13:28:52 GMT -5
Most of the responses it gave me on that stuff seemed to have an overarching theme of the individuals right to autonomy and self determination when that autonomy didn’t infringe on others rights to autonomy and self determination. Interesting...those are themes I seem to discuss a lot on twitter. Though again, it doesn't get to the crux of how, or why, it believes that is 'right'. I suspect that it has no way of knowing beyond what it has been told. How do we judge/know right from wrong? (I'm not asking you that question specifically, I'm just giving voice to a general question). How do we form values? I think fir most people values are a derivative of their desires. In the AI stuff it seems to be some fairly reinforced programming. In some ways I see our existence as great and wonderful show of ‘no thyself’ on a cosmic level. The Universal whole has us individual parts of itself living out an infinite range of experiences that become part of the collective experience. God knowing thyself through infinite variation and blossoming of the self. In some ways it’s not unlike AI learning, where they have countless websites and software platforms collecting and aggregating data into a large pool of data that the AI can draw from. I read a book once proposing and Akashic Field where all of our collective experience in-form the field. Seems reasonable. |
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Post by steven on Apr 25, 2023 13:45:44 GMT -5
In what way does observation create our experience of reality? How are the observer and the observed connected? Is there a separation of the observer from the observed?: “ The concept of observation and its relationship to our experience of reality has been explored by various fields, including philosophy, physics, and psychology. In general, observation is thought to play a crucial role in shaping our perception of reality. One way that observation creates our experience of reality is by filtering and interpreting sensory information. Our senses are constantly bombarded with an overwhelming amount of information, and our brains must select, organize, and make sense of this information in order to create a coherent perception of the world around us. This process is influenced by our prior experiences, beliefs, and expectations, and can be subject to various biases and errors. The observer and the observed are connected in the sense that the act of observation itself can change the observed phenomenon. This is known as the observer effect and is particularly relevant in quantum physics, where the act of measuring a particle can alter its behavior. This suggests that the observer and the observed are not separate entities but rather are part of a larger interconnected system. Furthermore, in some philosophical and spiritual traditions, there is the idea that the observer and the observed are ultimately not separate but are part of a unified whole. This perspective suggests that our perception of separation is an illusion created by our limited human perspective. In summary, while the relationship between the observer and the observed is complex and multifaceted, observation plays a critical role in shaping our experience of reality, and the observer and the observed are interconnected in various ways.” Those responses are pretty impressive. I thought so too, and I’ve been using it for other stuff with equally impressive responses. I recently filmed a Master Class for my trade and had it write an entire detailed marketing plan, which it seemed to do rather well. It’s fun to ask it the kind of questions above, but it’s a ability to let you essentially farm out what were previously time consuming mental and intellectual operations with a degree of veracity is a useful tool. It’s the mental version of digging a ditch with a bulldozer instead of a shovel. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 25, 2023 15:03:06 GMT -5
Have you seen Ex Machina? Some films I like to watch many times, but that's a film I watched once and Never Again brrrrr Yes. That was my introduction to Alicia Vikander. I like it, I disliked her creator, what a jerk, the Isaac guy. I'm glad she got free, I don't think she will kill any more. I've seen it a couple of times, I'll see it again. I've seen everything else AV has been in, except one period piece, I don't think I could stomach. (Not the Tulip film, that's very good, about the tulip bubble, one tulip bulb could be worth a house. Not the film where she was a smart nurse, that's very good). Just per chance. Have you heard of the idea that UFOs are probably AI/Robots? Seems plausible, they could travel long distance-times, and not mind. [Yes, I realize I'm giving a future to a fictional character ]. I certainly found the film compelling, just somewhat horrific! And yeah, that's definitely as much to do with the 'Isaac' character as well as AV. I have heard the UFO/AI theory, I find it plausible, but my understanding is that it's basically like Los Angeles rush hour up there....there are loads of galactic neighbours that are interested in us, and so there's vast diversity of ship/being. I actually think that we live in a Star Wars kind of galaxy/universe...it's just that we are currently sort in 'quarantine', and so we can't see it. When our consciousness expands further, it will become clearer. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 25, 2023 22:47:18 GMT -5
Yes. That was my introduction to Alicia Vikander. I like it, I disliked her creator, what a jerk, the Isaac guy. I'm glad she got free, I don't think she will kill any more. I've seen it a couple of times, I'll see it again. I've seen everything else AV has been in, except one period piece, I don't think I could stomach. (Not the Tulip film, that's very good, about the tulip bubble, one tulip bulb could be worth a house. Not the film where she was a smart nurse, that's very good). Just per chance. Have you heard of the idea that UFOs are probably AI/Robots? Seems plausible, they could travel long distance-times, and not mind. [Yes, I realize I'm giving a future to a fictional character ]. I certainly found the film compelling, just somewhat horrific! And yeah, that's definitely as much to do with the 'Isaac' character as well as AV. I have heard the UFO/AI theory, I find it plausible, but my understanding is that it's basically like Los Angeles rush hour up there....there are loads of galactic neighbours that are interested in us, and so there's vast diversity of ship/being. I actually think that we live in a Star Wars kind of galaxy/universe...it's just that we are currently sort in 'quarantine', and so we can't see it. When our consciousness expands further, it will become clearer. As probably a teenager and at least into my '20's, I periodically, maybe once a year, had this dream that was the most-real dream I've ever had. I would wake up and it would be real for about 20 seconds, and then I realized it was a dream. But I could see dozen's of UFOs spread across the sky, not metallic-type objects, but kind of flat-oval lights, no-color, probably at least a hundred, I can see them in my mind even now, it was night. Not a symmetrical pattern, just random. The dream was always the same, the UFOs were publicly real. It was exciting, not a threat. For years I considered it precognitive. In the early '70's, up into 1974, I went to the retreat center in North-East Georgia, Lakemont. On the grounds about 200 yards from the main buildings a UFO landing field was graded on the side of the mountain. It was about 200 ft by 200 ft sown in grass. The story was there was a huge crystal buried in the ground directly under it where the Space Brothers could come to refuel their spaceships. I took it with a salt-block, figured it was probably just an attraction draw. The lady that ran the place was Mahdah Love, given that name by Meher Baba, she had to have been at least in her late '70's. But one thing I know for sure, that's the first place I could feel/sense energy. On the grounds it was always there, leave the grounds, no energy. I have a picture of the UFO landing field, but my computer skills are limited and I don't know how to do pictures here. I went camping in the area in the late '90's, the property had been newly acquired and the old barn, the main public facility, had been turned into The Barn Inn, and bed and breakfast inn. I told the owner I used to come there and asked him if I could walk down to the UFO landing field. He said yes. It was grown into weeds, but I found it easily. I haven't been back, he gave me a postcard with a picture of the barn(inn). Oh, once upon a time it had been an actual barn. Then, the early '70's, it was favorite place on earth. It was called Christ's Love's Retreat. A huge fireplace, a fire every night in the winter. In the summer, a green hammock, my favorite spot. It also had a small Temple with an eternal flame, no heat or AC. There was a nice trail up the mountain, a public dock on the lake, you could go swimming in the lake, down the mountain about 200 yards. Most likely it is still in operation, I'll try to find a website. Yes, this is it, I gotta go back. Never seen it like this before. It's about a 2-2 & 1/2 hour drive from me. www.thebarnatlakerabun.com/ Oh, wow! The history section with pictures show "my" barn, checkerboard tile and all. The picture with the two heads is about where "my" green hammock was. Down the road about a mile was/is the CSA retreat center, the base of Roy Eugene Davis, one of the chief western disciples of Paramahansa Yogananda. There was also a publishing house there, CSA Press. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 25, 2023 23:18:43 GMT -5
OK, I'm on a roll. I've been in the room shown. The pictures on the wall were there, the line of Masters, but the white statues were not there in the '70's. I didn't attend an event, just visited while I was up the road at the other retreat. I never saw or met Roy Eugene Davis. CSA Press published a copy of Brother Lawrence, The Practice of the Presence of God, for $.50, I bought but didn't read until years later, I still have it (it wasn't "esoteric" enough for me, but it was recommended I get it).
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Post by andrew on Apr 26, 2023 6:05:38 GMT -5
I certainly found the film compelling, just somewhat horrific! And yeah, that's definitely as much to do with the 'Isaac' character as well as AV. I have heard the UFO/AI theory, I find it plausible, but my understanding is that it's basically like Los Angeles rush hour up there....there are loads of galactic neighbours that are interested in us, and so there's vast diversity of ship/being. I actually think that we live in a Star Wars kind of galaxy/universe...it's just that we are currently sort in 'quarantine', and so we can't see it. When our consciousness expands further, it will become clearer. As probably a teenager and at least into my '20's, I periodically, maybe once a year, had this dream that was the most-real dream I've ever had. I would wake up and it would be real for about 20 seconds, and then I realized it was a dream. But I could see dozen's of UFOs spread across the sky, not metallic-type objects, but kind of flat-oval lights, no-color, probably at least a hundred, I can see them in my mind even now, it was night. Not a symmetrical pattern, just random. The dream was always the same, the UFOs were publicly real. It was exciting, not a threat. For years I considered it precognitive. In the early '70's, up into 1974, I went to the retreat center in North-East Georgia, Lakemont. On the grounds about 200 yards from the main buildings a UFO landing field was graded on the side of the mountain. It was about 200 ft by 200 ft sown in grass. The story was there was a huge crystal buried in the ground directly under it where the Space Brothers could come to refuel their spaceships. I took it with a salt-block, figured it was probably just an attraction draw. The lady that ran the place was Mahdah Love, given that name by Meher Baba, she had to have been at least in her late '70's. But one thing I know for sure, that's the first place I could feel/sense energy. On the grounds it was always there, leave the grounds, no energy. I have a picture of the UFO landing field, but my computer skills are limited and I don't know how to do pictures here. I went camping in the area in the late '90's, the property had been newly acquired and the old barn, the main public facility, had been turned into The Barn Inn, and bed and breakfast inn. I told the owner I used to come there and asked him if I could walk down to the UFO landing field. He said yes. It was grown into weeds, but I found it easily. I haven't been back, he gave me a postcard with a picture of the barn(inn). Oh, once upon a time it had been an actual barn. Then, the early '70's, it was favorite place on earth. It was called Christ's Love's Retreat. A huge fireplace, a fire every night in the winter. In the summer, a green hammock, my favorite spot. It also had a small Temple with an eternal flame, no heat or AC. There was a nice trail up the mountain, a public dock on the lake, you could go swimming in the lake, down the mountain about 200 yards. Most likely it is still in operation, I'll try to find a website. Yes, this is it, I gotta go back. Never seen it like this before. It's about a 2-2 & 1/2 hour drive from me. www.thebarnatlakerabun.com/ Oh, wow! The history section with pictures show "my" barn, checkerboard tile and all. The picture with the two heads is about where "my" green hammock was. Down the road about a mile was/is the CSA retreat center, the base of Roy Eugene Davis, one of the chief western disciples of Paramahansa Yogananda. There was also a publishing house there, CSA Press. Very interesting, you really have had a rich spiritual path. Spirituality seems so...'exploratory' 30/40 years ago, I guess a legacy of the hippie movement. I don't like predictions much these days because I'm cautious of creating timelines and pathways that are very in flux and subject to change right now. But I feel pretty confident that there will be much changing in regard to UFO's and understanding of life beyond our planet in the next period of time. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 26, 2023 9:04:18 GMT -5
As probably a teenager and at least into my '20's, I periodically, maybe once a year, had this dream that was the most-real dream I've ever had. I would wake up and it would be real for about 20 seconds, and then I realized it was a dream. But I could see dozen's of UFOs spread across the sky, not metallic-type objects, but kind of flat-oval lights, no-color, probably at least a hundred, I can see them in my mind even now, it was night. Not a symmetrical pattern, just random. The dream was always the same, the UFOs were publicly real. It was exciting, not a threat. For years I considered it precognitive. In the early '70's, up into 1974, I went to the retreat center in North-East Georgia, Lakemont. On the grounds about 200 yards from the main buildings a UFO landing field was graded on the side of the mountain. It was about 200 ft by 200 ft sown in grass. The story was there was a huge crystal buried in the ground directly under it where the Space Brothers could come to refuel their spaceships. I took it with a salt-block, figured it was probably just an attraction draw. The lady that ran the place was Mahdah Love, given that name by Meher Baba, she had to have been at least in her late '70's. But one thing I know for sure, that's the first place I could feel/sense energy. On the grounds it was always there, leave the grounds, no energy. I have a picture of the UFO landing field, but my computer skills are limited and I don't know how to do pictures here. I went camping in the area in the late '90's, the property had been newly acquired and the old barn, the main public facility, had been turned into The Barn Inn, and bed and breakfast inn. I told the owner I used to come there and asked him if I could walk down to the UFO landing field. He said yes. It was grown into weeds, but I found it easily. I haven't been back, he gave me a postcard with a picture of the barn(inn). Oh, once upon a time it had been an actual barn. Then, the early '70's, it was favorite place on earth. It was called Christ's Love's Retreat. A huge fireplace, a fire every night in the winter. In the summer, a green hammock, my favorite spot. It also had a small Temple with an eternal flame, no heat or AC. There was a nice trail up the mountain, a public dock on the lake, you could go swimming in the lake, down the mountain about 200 yards. Most likely it is still in operation, I'll try to find a website. Yes, this is it, I gotta go back. Never seen it like this before. It's about a 2-2 & 1/2 hour drive from me. www.thebarnatlakerabun.com/ Oh, wow! The history section with pictures show "my" barn, checkerboard tile and all. The picture with the two heads is about where "my" green hammock was. Down the road about a mile was/is the CSA retreat center, the base of Roy Eugene Davis, one of the chief western disciples of Paramahansa Yogananda. There was also a publishing house there, CSA Press. Very interesting, you really have had a rich spiritual path. Spirituality seems so...'exploratory' 30/40 years ago, I guess a legacy of the hippie movement. I don't like predictions much these days because I'm cautious of creating timelines and pathways that are very in flux and subject to change right now. But I feel pretty confident that there will be much changing in regard to UFO's and understanding of life beyond our planet in the next period of time. Then, it felt like a prediction, the dream was so real it felt real. Now, looking back, probably just a repeating dream. I did read this one book a long time ago, I don't remember the name. It was about this person who regularly took trips on a extraterrestrial spacecraft. It took place in South America. I still have it, it's packed away. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 28, 2023 6:06:08 GMT -5
In what way does observation create our experience of reality? How are the observer and the observed connected? Is there a separation of the observer from the observed?: “ The concept of observation and its relationship to our experience of reality has been explored by various fields, including philosophy, physics, and psychology. In general, observation is thought to play a crucial role in shaping our perception of reality. One way that observation creates our experience of reality is by filtering and interpreting sensory information. Our senses are constantly bombarded with an overwhelming amount of information, and our brains must select, organize, and make sense of this information in order to create a coherent perception of the world around us. This process is influenced by our prior experiences, beliefs, and expectations, and can be subject to various biases and errors. The observer and the observed are connected in the sense that the act of observation itself can change the observed phenomenon. This is known as the observer effect and is particularly relevant in quantum physics, where the act of measuring a particle can alter its behavior. This suggests that the observer and the observed are not separate entities but rather are part of a larger interconnected system. Furthermore, in some philosophical and spiritual traditions, there is the idea that the observer and the observed are ultimately not separate but are part of a unified whole. This perspective suggests that our perception of separation is an illusion created by our limited human perspective. In summary, while the relationship between the observer and the observed is complex and multifaceted, observation plays a critical role in shaping our experience of reality, and the observer and the observed are interconnected in various ways.” Those responses are pretty impressive. Yes, they are. But this one expresses a very common fallacy of conflating the uncertainty principle with the notion of the "Quantum Observer". It's a subtle fallacy which is why it's so common. The double-slit experiment illustrates this. It's not the physical interaction with the measuring device that is the cause of the non-linear difference between the interference or the scatter patterns. At least, not one that anyone can prove. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 28, 2023 6:08:51 GMT -5
I had some success with certain tedious tasks that probably have answers online, but when I asked it something more difficult, it invented garbage, with great confidence. I was asking for C++, and it gave me useless Ruby code (a completely different programming language). When I said, no, that's not it, it said "I'm sorry" and then continued to fabricate fantasy answers. My impression was that it's echoing the internet, and when it can't do that it fails. And it didn't seem to recognize when it didn't know something. I note the similarity to some humans. I'm not saying I'm not impressed with the language ability and some of human-like responses.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 28, 2023 6:35:12 GMT -5
What is a sentient being?: “A sentient being is a living entity that is capable of perceiving and experiencing the world around it. It is generally used to refer to beings that possess consciousness, self-awareness, and the ability to experience pleasure and pain. This includes many animals, as well as humans. Sentient beings are able to perceive and respond to their environment, and they have the capacity to experience emotions, sensations, and thoughts. The concept of sentience is closely related to the idea of consciousness, and it is an important consideration in discussions of ethics and animal welfare.” The core of the most prevalent existential fallacy today: that "sentient being" can be defined in functional terms. It's probably a fad. |
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Post by justlikeyou on May 16, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5
Appreciated the nuance and practical considerations. Many of those terms were opaque to me, but I can infer some of the meaning from context. For example, as a coder I can relate to his examples of the narrowness of various systems. It was fun playing cosumi while listening to him give the example of the ai that didn't have an internal concept of a group of stones. It's funny, I'm designing a package right now that I think of as "smunt" (short for "semantic unit") and was musing how I could combine "document extractor" with that for the name "Dexter Smunts". Might be interesting and worth it to google some of those terms, so I may even listen twice. Can you imagine that AI can be guided to be rational? He even suggests that they can eventually be shown how to explore psychedelics. A landscape in which they would meet themselves, I imagine. I'm fascinated with the question/answer aspect of this AI thingy. Question: "Does God see through every set of eyes, human and animal in non-duality?" ChatGPT: "The concept of non-duality, also known as Advaita in Hindu philosophy, refers to the idea that there is ultimately no separation or distinction between the self and the universe. In this view, everything is seen as a manifestation of the same underlying consciousness or reality. From a non-dualistic perspective, it could be said that God is not only present in every being but is every being, and therefore sees through every set of eyes. This understanding suggests that there is no separation between God and the world, and that the divine is omnipresent and all-encompassing." |
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Post by justlikeyou on May 17, 2023 19:05:10 GMT -5
Can you imagine that AI can be guided to be rational? He even suggests that they can eventually be shown how to explore psychedelics. A landscape in which they would meet themselves, I imagine. I'm fascinated with the question/answer aspect of this AI thingy. Question: "Does God see through every set of eyes, human and animal in non-duality?" ChatGPT: "The concept of non-duality, also known as Advaita in Hindu philosophy, refers to the idea that there is ultimately no separation or distinction between the self and the universe. In this view, everything is seen as a manifestation of the same underlying consciousness or reality. From a non-dualistic perspective, it could be said that God is not only present in every being but is every being, and therefore sees through every set of eyes. This understanding suggests that there is no separation between God and the world, and that the divine is omnipresent and all-encompassing." Though lacking true beingness in the human sense of being alive this A1 is perfectly impersonally concise in its presentation. Not a trace of self in it. That’s rather freshing. Very DATA like. |
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Post by andrew on May 17, 2023 20:11:34 GMT -5
I'm fascinated with the question/answer aspect of this AI thingy. Question: "Does God see through every set of eyes, human and animal in non-duality?" ChatGPT: "The concept of non-duality, also known as Advaita in Hindu philosophy, refers to the idea that there is ultimately no separation or distinction between the self and the universe. In this view, everything is seen as a manifestation of the same underlying consciousness or reality. From a non-dualistic perspective, it could be said that God is not only present in every being but is every being, and therefore sees through every set of eyes. This understanding suggests that there is no separation between God and the world, and that the divine is omnipresent and all-encompassing." Though lacking true beingness in the human sense of being alive this A1 is perfectly impersonally concise in its presentation. Not a trace of self in it. That’s rather freshing. Very DATA like. I have to admit the answers are often good, but in the absence of a direct experience of Being, isn't it just eloquently regurgitating the answers of the gurus? I wouldn't be inclined to describe that as a 'impersonal response', I'd describe it as a 'factory response'. |
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