As long as you try to fix the problem, It never get fixed

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Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

[zendancer]

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

This is only a trap for people who imagine that they are SVP's. Discovering what Jesus called "the living truth" results in freedom from ideas like "acceptance," "your situation," "your problem," "traps," "something that needs fixing," etc.

[inavalan]

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

[zendancer]

Dec 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

Agreed.

[Reefs]

Dec 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

Yes, that's the LOA/deliberate creation angle.

However, what Gopal is probably getting at is the problem of volition. If you analyze it thoroughly, the logical conclusion has to be that you don't have free will. And yet, with every fiber of your being, you feel you actually have free will. And that dilemma is impossible to resolve intellectually. It takes a realization to resolve that. And it will result in a (visceral) understanding of what choicelessness and non-action means.

[inavalan]

Dec 28, 2022 22:17:40 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5 inavalan said:

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

Yes, that's the LOA/deliberate creation angle.

However, what Gopal is probably getting at is the problem of volition. If you analyze it thoroughly, the logical conclusion has to be that you don't have free will. And yet, with every fiber of your being, you feel you actually have free will. And that dilemma is impossible to resolve intellectually. It takes a realization to resolve that. And it will result in a (visceral) understanding of what choicelessness and non-action means.

As I intuitively understand it, everything is consciousness, and it is structured in gestalts, that are nested, disjunct, overlapped, in continuos change. To some degree, each element affects and is affected by its gestalt. This allows limited free will both at element and at gestalt levels. When the disagreement exceeded a threshold, the element is too out of "alignment" with its gestalt, it leaves it and associates with another gestalt with which is more in tune. This is transparent both for the element and for the gestalt.

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Dec 28, 2022 14:19:51 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

This is only a trap for people who imagine that they are SVP's. Discovering what Jesus called "the living truth" results in freedom from ideas like "acceptance," "your situation," "your problem," "traps," "something that needs fixing," etc.

I fixed a leaky pipe the other day.

[inavalan]

Dec 29, 2022 11:39:08 GMT -5 @satch said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:19:51 GMT -5 zendancer said:

This is only a trap for people who imagine that they are SVP's. Discovering what Jesus called "the living truth" results in freedom from ideas like "acceptance," "your situation," "your problem," "traps," "something that needs fixing," etc.

I fixed a leaky pipe the other day.

Did you use affirmations? Meditation? Kegel?

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Dec 28, 2022 14:19:51 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

This is only a trap for people who imagine that they are SVP's. Discovering what Jesus called "the living truth" results in freedom from ideas like "acceptance," "your situation," "your problem," "traps," "something that needs fixing," etc.

Your fantasy world may work like the way you say but this universe in which we live works the way I say.

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Dec 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:57:04 GMT -5 Gopal said:

Yes, As long as you try, it won't be fixed. We can't fix anything consciously. Only All That Is can fix your problem. But All That Is will act only if you accept your situation, but accepting your situation is not in your hand as well. Do you see the kind of nonsense trap we have gotten into?

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

That's where clear seeing is important. My Belief comes after my clear seeing.

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Dec 28, 2022 22:17:40 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -5 inavalan said:

I disagree with your post.

Language matters: it affects our experience, and it reflects it.

You tell those things to you, that's what you'll experience.

Yes, that's the LOA/deliberate creation angle.

However, what Gopal is probably getting at is the problem of volition. If you analyze it thoroughly, the logical conclusion has to be that you don't have free will. And yet, with every fiber of your being, you feel you actually have free will. And that dilemma is impossible to resolve intellectually. It takes a realization to resolve that. And it will result in a (visceral) understanding of what choicelessness and non-action means.

Our spirit doesn't know what arises next. "Something" arises out of itself but it doesn't know until it is fully formed in our conscious. That's why "All That Is" has more and more creative freedom when it has more and more clarity.

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Dec 29, 2022 11:39:08 GMT -5 @satch said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:19:51 GMT -5 zendancer said:

This is only a trap for people who imagine that they are SVP's. Discovering what Jesus called "the living truth" results in freedom from ideas like "acceptance," "your situation," "your problem," "traps," "something that needs fixing," etc.

I fixed a leaky pipe the other day.

I did not say I can't tie my shoe laces.

[Reefs]

Dec 28, 2022 23:31:15 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 28, 2022 22:17:40 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Yes, that's the LOA/deliberate creation angle.

However, what Gopal is probably getting at is the problem of volition. If you analyze it thoroughly, the logical conclusion has to be that you don't have free will. And yet, with every fiber of your being, you feel you actually have free will. And that dilemma is impossible to resolve intellectually. It takes a realization to resolve that. And it will result in a (visceral) understanding of what choicelessness and non-action means.

As I intuitively understand it, everything is consciousness, and it is structured in gestalts, that are nested, disjunct, overlapped, in continuos change. To some degree, each element affects and is affected by its gestalt. This allows limited free will both at element and at gestalt levels. When the disagreement exceeded a threshold, the element is too out of "alignment" with its gestalt, it leaves it and associates with another gestalt with which is more in tune. This is transparent both for the element and for the gestalt.

I am having trouble with your use of the term 'gestalt'. If you mean by that entity, then I agree. But you seem to use it more in the gestalt psychology sense, based on the definition you provided here.

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Dec 29, 2022 14:05:14 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 29, 2022 11:39:08 GMT -5 @satch said:

I fixed a leaky pipe the other day.

Did you use affirmations? Meditation? Kegel?

Plumbers tape.

[laughter]

Dec 30, 2022 4:42:46 GMT -5 @satch said:

Dec 29, 2022 14:05:14 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Did you use affirmations? Meditation? Kegel?

Plumbers tape.

You don't mean the outside, but on the thread, right?? .. cause otherwise, like: "ouch!, that's gonna' leave a" (water) "mark".