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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2022 8:54:12 GMT -5
Yeah, though pride in one's historical knowledge of books is a fleeting pleasure balanced out with anxiety by the roller coaster. Perhaps you've realized that.  Guess you don't have an answer for the question. Oh well. whatever Great AND whatever? Wobbling?  Interesting when a mind adheres to and prefers the nursery school interpretations of books like the Bible. But sure, inference requires a depth of insight and clarity.  Again, saw it a lot of the same pride in academia.  |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2022 9:06:44 GMT -5
The assumptions about how others define the body. Perhaps it was just your flipping between the 'personal you' and the 'indefinite/general you'. It's not so much about correct/incorrect, and I offered the view of 'how' one might consider the body in the spiritual context. Perhaps it didn't make sense to you? If I had not given attention to the view you offered about the body, then I owe you an apology. I deserve a smack on the head for that and I mean it. Taking you or anyone who has something important to say in a serious inquiry for granted is foolish. Having said that, I hope you understand that a view of the body is one thing, but living in accordance with that view is quite another.
I don’t view the body that I am taking care of as a human organism at all. This doesn’t mean that I won’t go to the doctor for examination if there is a horrible rash erupting on its skin or I have lost the ability to move its legs. I live in real-time and the body in its entirety is not a living fact. I assume this is not how you regard the body. Is my assumption wrong?
I'm aware of that, but the potential is HERE. Nothing wrong with taking care of the body in whatever form you wanna interpret it. It might even indicate a higher degree of consciousness within the dream. So, right, it's not so much about a body's physicality, but the transcendence of the 'psychological self' and/or the existential concepts that prop it up. That includes the concept of being a skin-incapsulated self. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2022 9:12:53 GMT -5
Roller coaster is realized. If you haven't seen, then you haven't. Good luck. There are an infinite number of possible realizations, and there is no end to the depth of seeing into one's true nature. As Enigma says, "Realizations inform mind," but getting attached to any idea or any realization can act to obscure what is deeper still. Any "I/you" statement indicates that there is more to see. The fundamental question is, "Who or what am I, really?" Until THAT is discovered, the water remains shallow. As Sengstan wrote, "Stop talking and thinking and there is nothing you will not be able to know." Those who find the Absolute discover that there is no "other." Happy Thanksgiving, and may all hearts be filled with gratitude. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. 🦃 Yes, true gratitude is one of those special, emergent things. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2022 9:15:14 GMT -5
The roller coaster is a cognitive distinction like any other cognitive distinction; it is a product of thought. It is as imaginary as the idea of being a SVP. The Absolute is beyond imagination. Niz said to a seeker, "You are the Absolute, but you imagine clouds and trees." He could have a said, "You are the Absolute, but you imagine a roller coaster."  Roller coaster is realized. If you haven't seen, then you haven't. Good luck. Or... Life viewed from beyond the roller coaster can be realized. If you haven't seen, then you haven't. Good luck. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 9:16:19 GMT -5
I agree. You can protect yourself from both intentional and unintentional negative suggestions and influences, by asking your subconscious to accept only constructive suggestions and influences, safe and beneficial. I can program your subconscious and you can't stop me by anyway. You will be thinking that it's coming from you not from me. You will not be even having a clue that I am sending those thoughts to you. You can fight against those thoughts but as long as I do, you keep fighting with your thoughts and at one point in time you would give up your defence and surrender to me. This kind of influence is being used to create attraction against opposite sex. Creepy! This reminds me of this dude I met at a recent social event. I had been having a normal conversation, about cats and dogs, with a woman. The guy then asks me if I'm going to "get her number" and asks if she is "compliant". He kept talking about women being "compliant" and it grossed me out. He had been reading some kind of guide on how to manipulate women and his whole view of the world was about how to control and manipulate people as objects. I didn't want to tangle with him, so I didn't say anything. In my opinion it would be better (more honest) to pay a prostitute than attempt to manipulate people while feigning interest in some kind of relationship. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2022 9:21:33 GMT -5
I agree. You can protect yourself from both intentional and unintentional negative suggestions and influences, by asking your subconscious to accept only constructive suggestions and influences, safe and beneficial. I can program your subconscious and you can't stop me by anyway. You will be thinking that it's coming from you not from me. You will not be even having a clue that I am sending those thoughts to you. You can fight against those thoughts but as long as I do, you keep fighting with your thoughts and at one point in time you would give up your defence and surrender to me. This kind of influence is being used to create attraction against opposite sex. What a charming goal in life, Gopal. I see The Ruler hath returneth. Hip hip hurray.  |
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Post by sree on Nov 24, 2022 9:41:41 GMT -5
Roller coaster is realized. If you haven't seen, then you haven't. Good luck. There are an infinite number of possible realizations, and there is no end to the depth of seeing into one's true nature. As Enigma says, "Realizations inform mind," but getting attached to any idea or any realization can act to obscure what is deeper still. Any "I/you" statement indicates that there is more to see. The fundamental question is, "Who or what am I, really?" Until THAT is discovered, the water remains shallow. As Sengstan wrote, "Stop talking and thinking and there is nothing you will not be able to know." Those who find the Absolute discover that there is no "other." Happy Thanksgiving, and may all hearts be filled with gratitude.Uh-oh, is this a knee-jerk SVP holiday greeting among SVPs.
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Post by sree on Nov 24, 2022 9:53:53 GMT -5
There are an infinite number of possible realizations, and there is no end to the depth of seeing into one's true nature. As Enigma says, "Realizations inform mind," but getting attached to any idea or any realization can act to obscure what is deeper still. Any "I/you" statement indicates that there is more to see. The fundamental question is, "Who or what am I, really?" Until THAT is discovered, the water remains shallow. As Sengstan wrote, "Stop talking and thinking and there is nothing you will not be able to know." Those who find the Absolute discover that there is no "other." Happy Thanksgiving, and may all hearts be filled with gratitude. 🦃 Yes, true gratitude is one of those special, emergent things. Another affirmation of SVP reality.
Are we a bunch of alcoholics here at AA talking about sobriety (TPTPAU)?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 24, 2022 10:21:36 GMT -5
I don't think ZD is saying he never knew the rollercoaster, just not now. He is denying. Ask him. He'll probably see this. |
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Post by zazeniac on Nov 24, 2022 10:26:16 GMT -5
It's almost a certainty that the simplicity of Reality was not missed by some in every culture. Though in some milleaus, they would have to choose their words carefully, lest they be slaughtered.
It's always interesting to me that once confronted by the pharisees for claiming to be God, Jesus doesn't confirm or deny. He mentions one of David's psalms with a very peculiar suggestion. Even if the incident were made up, it makes you wonder about the motivation for including it.
The passage could just as easily had Jesus confirming it and persuading the pharisees through another one of many miracles.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 24, 2022 10:36:37 GMT -5
I agree. You can protect yourself from both intentional and unintentional negative suggestions and influences, by asking your subconscious to accept only constructive suggestions and influences, safe and beneficial. I can program your subconscious and you can't stop me by anyway. You will be thinking that it's coming from you not from me. You will not be even having a clue that I am sending those thoughts to you. You can fight against those thoughts but as long as I do, you keep fighting with your thoughts and at one point in time you would give up your defence and surrender to me. This kind of influence is being used to create attraction against opposite sex. Gopal is right, can doesn't mean one does. Most people are not even aware of how they are manipulated. The TV industry thrived for decades by manipulation, getting you to buy products you didn't need. The old "air"-broadcast TV was paid for by advertisements, you had the 3 networks, ABC, CBS and NBC. A particular company paid for advertising on a particular TV program on the basis of its sales and TV ratings. It all depended upon taking money out of your pocket. Cable TV changed that over years. Now, the internet has changed everything. But NOTHING is free in life. You're going to pay whether you know it or not. Most everything basically operates in this manner, through unconscious manipulation. A certain major celebrity-figure controlled the USA for 5 years. Gopal is correct. The first step to getting free is to come to know it in theory, then experience. Good for those who can circumvent the manipulation. Just below "water level" of the iceberg is suggestibility. Deeper is outright manipulation and control. "The best trick of the "devil" is to make you believe he doesn't exist". If you can talk to your subconscious, what is its language? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 24, 2022 10:40:37 GMT -5
It's almost a certainty that the simplicity of Reality was not missed by some in every culture. Though in some milleaus, they would have to choose their words carefully, lest they be slaughtered. It's always interesting to me that once confronted by the pharisees for claiming to be God, Jesus doesn't confirm or deny. He mentions one of David's psalms with a very peculiar suggestion. Even if the incident were made up, it makes you wonder about the motivation for including it. The passage could just as easily had Jesus confirming it and persuading the pharisees through another one of many miracles. There is very little doubt that Jesus deliberately provoked the Pharisees. He picked his battles and the timing. I have no doubt that Jesus chose to die on Passover, he orchestrated everything, he wrote the script. Now, the only question is why? |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2022 10:42:52 GMT -5
I can program your subconscious and you can't stop me by anyway. You will be thinking that it's coming from you not from me. You will not be even having a clue that I am sending those thoughts to you. You can fight against those thoughts but as long as I do, you keep fighting with your thoughts and at one point in time you would give up your defence and surrender to me. This kind of influence is being used to create attraction against opposite sex. What a charming goal in life, Gopal. I see The Ruler hath returneth. Hip hip hurray. Keep in mind that Gopal is a solipsist. In that context, his reply is perfectly logical. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2022 10:45:10 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. 🦃 Yes, true gratitude is one of those special, emergent things. Another affirmation of SVP reality.
Are we a bunch of alcoholics here at AA talking about sobriety (TPTPAU)?
No, just 3rd mountain. You seem to be assuming that TPTPAU has to be strictly 2nd mountain or something. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 24, 2022 10:47:31 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how this goes. I doubt that a winner could be picked at this point, too many tiny unknown factors. The way I understand this, probability isn't related to the proximity of an event, neither in time, nor in space. Probability is an independent coordinate /axis of the physical-reality hyperspace. Precognition results from accessing the inner-senses, and the specific means (i ching, asparagus, tea leaves, cards, dreams, ...) help that focusing. Trying to see / guess the future, it is putting the cart in front of the horse /ass, as things don't happen to us without firstly our acquiescing them at subconscious level (telepathic), and consequently our subconscious creating the physical reality that we individually experience. All fine and good, but accidents do occur. In a split second of chance, a certain necessary Croatia player could twist an ankle, maybe the goalie, and be out. I forget their most excellent player's name, but he's necessary, maybe not every game, but overall. I can see his face but I don't remember his name. Events play out IRT. But still interested. |
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