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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2022 12:11:53 GMT -5
I vote for blanket amnesty for everyone. If anyone wants to participate, they can obey the Reefs-Rules. If they break the rules, they don't want to participate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 12:19:49 GMT -5
I haven't voted yet.
Figgle, oh figgy, care to comment? Can you persuade an undecided voter?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 13:07:20 GMT -5
No 'hell yes' to just talk to Figs one-on-one, play with some conscious alignment themes, agree-to-disagree, and let water flow under the bridge? You two seemed versed in the A-H stuff, so there's that avenue. You two didn't enjoy the last tango, but it also doesn't have to stay that way. Not necessary, but just an idea to consider. No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 20:37:05 GMT -5
No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. I don't know what 'break of that momentum' means nor the how. I suspect a surge in their psychic energy (for want of a better word) just chalked up another schism to history. Express the wisdom-love or bring on the Hummarabi hocus-pocus! |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2022 22:07:01 GMT -5
I vote for blanket amnesty for everyone. If anyone wants to participate, they can obey the Reefs-Rules. If they break the rules, they don't want to participate. Exactly. It's that simple. If someone thinks they deserve the royal treatment, they've come to the wrong place. Same rules for everyone, independently of factors like perceived merit of contribution, seniority or personal friendships. Just ask Enigma (or Laughter). |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2022 22:23:42 GMT -5
No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. But you keep forgetting that Peter and ZD also have ban and delete buttons, and that they make use of those when necessary. As a regular member, you probably don't notice it, but I do. Usually it just concerns spammers and spam posts. But you likely also all still remember how Laughter's term as a mod ended, right? There still is a system of checks and balances in place. Don't fall for the Figgles propaganda who is painting Reefs as an evil dictator and tyrant who is holding this forum hostage according to his whims! |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2022 22:50:30 GMT -5
But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. I don't know what 'break of that momentum' means nor the how. I suspect a surge in their psychic energy (for want of a better word) just chalked up another schism to history. Express the wisdom-love or bring on the Hummarabi hocus-pocus! As a regular member, figuring that out is not your job anyway. As a regular member, your job here is to engage in or create interesting and exciting conversations and have fun with all the other members within the parameters of the existing forum rules. Leave details of moderation to the moderators. We don't need to overthink this. We just need to look at the the poop-to-value ratio (PTV ratio). If it just takes pointing out the rules of engagement again as in the case of Satch, then that's an easy decision. But if it takes an entire new set of infrastructure as would be the case with Figgles, then that's just too much of a hassle. That would be asking too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 4:23:27 GMT -5
But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. But you keep forgetting that Peter and ZD also have ban and delete buttons, and that they make use of those when necessary. As a regular member, you probably don't notice it, but I do. Usually it just concerns spammers and spam posts. But you likely also all still remember how Laughter's term as a mod ended, right? There still is a system of checks and balances in place. Don't fall for the Figgles propaganda who is painting Reefs as an evil dictator and tyrant who is holding this forum hostage according to his whims! I knew it! It was Peter all along! Silent.. but deadly!  And I thought it was because you never bothered with a Dale Carnegie book in between spiritual masters.. it's good to be well rounded you know |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 26, 2022 5:31:43 GMT -5
But you keep forgetting that Peter and ZD also have ban and delete buttons, and that they make use of those when necessary. As a regular member, you probably don't notice it, but I do. Usually it just concerns spammers and spam posts. But you likely also all still remember how Laughter's term as a mod ended, right? There still is a system of checks and balances in place. Don't fall for the Figgles propaganda who is painting Reefs as an evil dictator and tyrant who is holding this forum hostage according to his whims! I knew it! It was Peter all along! Silent.. but deadly! And I thought it was because you never bothered with a Dale Carnegie book in between spiritual masters.. it's good to be well rounded you know  ..... .....  ....My Father did the Dale Carnegie Course, including the book, for/by his job/work/career, that is, they paid for it, I was maybe 8-10. He used it all his life. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 26, 2022 5:36:49 GMT -5
No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. Do you feel the forum is 100% better now or not? Attack-mode and food fights are just plain nonsense. It's really absurd to think 'real work' can be done on a forum, scribbles on a page just touch the edge. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 26, 2022 6:37:49 GMT -5
I don't know what 'break of that momentum' means nor the how. I suspect a surge in their psychic energy (for want of a better word) just chalked up another schism to history. Express the wisdom-love or bring on the Hummarabi hocus-pocus! As a regular member, figuring that out is not your job anyway. As a regular member, your job here is to engage in or create interesting and exciting conversations and have fun with all the other members within the parameters of the existing forum rules. Leave details of moderation to the moderators. We don't need to overthink this. We just need to look at the the poop-to-value ratio (PTV ratio). If it just takes pointing out the rules of engagement again as in the case of Satch, then that's an easy decision. But if it takes an entire new set of infrastructure as would be the case with Figgles, then that's just too much of a hassle. That would be asking too much. and grabbed some 🍿. I've never even read the rules, tbh. I have no job here and have been respectful of the moderators and have given honest feedback, which appeared borderline weaponized. I respect that, knowing how hard it can be to balance between being both a poster/member and a moderator in which one must model the rules one has stated. My last sentence purddy much expresses the crux of seeing the PTV ratio. But, I do getcha, the board as a whole does not want a bunch of food fighting and endless one-upping. The realization can be a hard STOP, but the expression can take many paths. It's good to have a nice 🔥 where we can all share stories and play with the shadows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 12:27:03 GMT -5
But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. Do you feel the forum is 100% better now or not? Attack-mode and food fights are just plain nonsense. It's really absurd to think 'real work' can be done on a forum, scribbles on a page just touch the edge. I wouldn't go so far as 100% because I don't think it can be measured like that. But yeah, when people aren't sure whether I exist, or perceive me from within the denigrated status of 'mere appearance', and yet still need me to be real when they've something to say 'about' me, I can't actually take them seriously anymore. And yeah, real work is done in experience, it's done in forgiveness, it's done in the surety that trust is not a wasted state of being. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 12:30:12 GMT -5
But all the power would be in your hands then and that's not fair. If those ideas didn't have the desired breakthrough then we're all left feeling the pain of that. But you keep forgetting that Peter and ZD also have ban and delete buttons, and that they make use of those when necessary. As a regular member, you probably don't notice it, but I do. Usually it just concerns spammers and spam posts. But you likely also all still remember how Laughter's term as a mod ended, right? There still is a system of checks and balances in place. Don't fall for the Figgles propaganda who is painting Reefs as an evil dictator and tyrant who is holding this forum hostage according to his whims! I hear ya. There was a lot learned during Laughter's reign, hey? The poll suggests that the door is going to be reopened.. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 27, 2022 6:08:02 GMT -5
I have been saying this often regarding walk talk issues where things don't add up for peeps who say they are self realised and then either put other's down, deflect and totally avoid answering any questions put to them that would validate their flaws and untruths .
I have called figs a liar a few times because of such behaviours and contradictions. I have questioned her behaviour in regards to taking most opportunities to slag off members from this forum by going on a one woman crusade .
Never actually taking time to be honest with herself .
What isn't on is that even when you reveal their lies and inconsistencies regarding their so called Truths it still doesn't stop them from calling you the one that is asleep or incapable of understanding . Now there is something not quite right with that .
Now similar with Gopal, even though these things are pointed out it doesn't seem to matter in the slightest . It's like it never happened and then they start to go on again with the same premises and using ND Bot Handbook language that makes no sense in the real world and under scrutiny don't even add up .
I think however the more the merrier and if everyone was in one place and being as we are all self realised ascended master types then surely we could all behave accordingly .
For the record I was banned from here for basically sticking up for myself like I always have to do with certain non duality types that get caught with their pants down talking BS but I am an easy going guy, I can still talk to folks that have ridiculed me in the past or banned me unfairly .. but if figs comes back I doubt that I will engage with her in ND talk, perhaps on other subjects if they arise .
Then I dare say Gopal would have to reactive his account again lol .
It wasn't long ago that he was laughing at ST for really being quiet.
You see this is the sort of behaviours that don't add up .
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Post by Reefs on Jul 27, 2022 12:41:55 GMT -5
As a regular member, figuring that out is not your job anyway. As a regular member, your job here is to engage in or create interesting and exciting conversations and have fun with all the other members within the parameters of the existing forum rules. Leave details of moderation to the moderators. We don't need to overthink this. We just need to look at the the poop-to-value ratio (PTV ratio). If it just takes pointing out the rules of engagement again as in the case of Satch, then that's an easy decision. But if it takes an entire new set of infrastructure as would be the case with Figgles, then that's just too much of a hassle. That would be asking too much. and grabbed some 🍿. I've never even read the rules, tbh. I have no job here and have been respectful of the moderators and have given honest feedback, which appeared borderline weaponized. I respect that, knowing how hard it can be to balance between being both a poster/member and a moderator in which one must model the rules one has stated. My last sentence purddy much expresses the crux of seeing the PTV ratio. But, I do getcha, the board as a whole does not want a bunch of food fighting and endless one-upping. The realization can be a hard STOP, but the expression can take many paths. It's good to have a nice 🔥 where we can all share stories and play with the shadows. Actually, we've only got one rule here. And it always was one rule only, common decency. And our current membership understands that intuitively and acts accordingly. I haven't seen any severe transgressions in a long time. But there have been some peeps in the past to whom common decency must have been a foreign concept. And for those I had to create all these other extra rules, like the no crusading rule. But really, if one understands the concept of common decency, it goes without saying that crusading is a no go. |
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