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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 5:00:40 GMT -5
This is not a fair pole :Dand you know it. You've loaded the questions to be biased against her. You should have had just two simple questions, do you want her in or out? Reefs had an idea, opened his mouth, instantly regretted it. It happens.  |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 8:10:03 GMT -5
When a seeker stumbles over Truth and realizes it has been hiding within plain sight for eternity, there is a certain release. It can take on all forms of expression. At first, it is an explosion of unconscious bliss that collapses a massive structure. As the newly forming sense of perception comes into conscious awareness of all the ‘things’ the previous structure used to miss/be unconscious of, it may go through a process of ‘cutting out/letting go’ those aspects no longer seen as holding any value. It can be an existentially healthy process of picking through the ashes, cleaning up the mess of the burned down house.
I’d suggest it is part of the heated debates that sometimes crescendo and/or turn in to perceived ‘crusades’. For unwitting onlookers of arguments of very unusual subtleties, it can come across as crazy talk. It makes up some of the dynamic of message boards like this.
For peeps trying to get to an I-to-I understanding of each other’s expression, it often requires a hashing out of terminology, intentions, the context of utterances, and so on and so forth. There’s alo the potential for distinguishing between pointing out discrepancies, providing suggestions, pursuing ‘I gotcha’ traps, and the like. The appearing language used can be telling, but not really a 100% thingy. The degree of mutual respect, integrity, and enjoyment brought to the endeavor, if so inclined, is often at the crux of trust, and whether it is successful or not. If it's mostly 'I gotcha'-oriented, it is much more likely to turn into a food fight. Admitting one's responsibility, misunderstanding, etc in such interactions can be a clearer reflection of Truth. It takes two to tango in convos.
I’ll leave it at that for now. Curious if anyone agrees or not, and insights.
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 25, 2022 8:13:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed her posts though rarely agreed with them. But heck I enjoy reefs posts ........ often ........occassionally...........rarely. 😁 Yes, I remember you mentioning that. This is one of the reasons why I posted this poll, I wanted to take the temperature, if it is just you or a general consensus here. I don't care particularly either way. But Interesting. There seems to be a total lack of enthusiasm among the membership to have Figgles back. Only 3 votes so far and 2/3 "hell no"! Sorry Figgles. It seems you are not welcome here anymore. Take it for what it is. Well, kudos to you. Considering spiritual gab should be renamed zdnreefsbash, it's magnanimous of you to offer the opportunity. I've missed the back and forth, though at times it does seem personal. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 25, 2022 8:58:36 GMT -5
First of all, nice attempt at a double bind.  Here, let me give you a preview.  Hmmmm, temp bans? What does ROYY say about that? Notice how he will never admit to changing his mind. Perhaps it's just part of a larger cycle that has to play itself out. I second SN's general observation that you seem to be looking for a fight, but also plead mea maxima culpa for having raised her specter multiple times in the past few weeks.  A quick perusal of her private sandbox reveals multiple trails up, down and around Banana Mountain (at least one tracing out a mobius strip), and not the solo ATA variety either .. these are guided tours. Much bent-up and lots of butt hurt on these treks. You know how it will end. Already. It had been awhile since the team-up dynamic had expressed on the forum. I really didn't miss it. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 25, 2022 9:01:26 GMT -5
I've thought about this on and off since you posted it. My thoughts-feelings haven't been clear. I have a decent relationship with Fig these days and feel a sense of loyalty to her. On the flip side, I think there's a risk that spiritualteachers could become spiritualgab part two....I don't think Fig would mind me saying that she has a strong personality, and a LOT of energy for discussion.... Every subject could quite easily revert quite quickly back to the topic of solipsism, and I don't think that's good for this forum.
So my suggestion is, if Fig wanted to.....maybe you could give her her own thread space here for a while, and see how that goes. Like you did with Gopal (except Gopal wasn't limited to that thread). Then she can challenge you, or ZD, or me, or anyone on THIS forum, but in her own space. And if anyone wanted to discuss it with her, they could do.
I'm not voting, because that's the best I can come up with.
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Post by andrew on Jul 25, 2022 9:02:12 GMT -5
First of all, nice attempt at a double bind. Here, let me give you a preview. Hmmmm, temp bans? What does ROYY say about that? Notice how he will never admit to changing his mind. Perhaps it's just part of a larger cycle that has to play itself out. I second SN's general observation that you seem to be looking for a fight, but also plead mea maxima culpa for having raised her specter multiple times in the past few weeks. A quick perusal of her private sandbox reveals multiple trails up, down and Banana Mountain, and not the solo ATA variety either .. these are guided tours. Much bent-up and lots of butt hurt on these treks. You know how it will end. Already. It had been awhile since the team-up dynamic had expressed on the forum. I really didn't miss it. That's weird that you had some thoughts to express at the same time as me. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 25, 2022 9:08:34 GMT -5
When a seeker stumbles over Truth and realizes it has been hiding within plain sight for eternity, there is a certain release. It can take on all forms of expression. At first, it is an explosion of unconscious bliss that collapses a massive structure. As the newly forming sense of perception comes into conscious awareness of all the ‘things’ the previous structure used to miss/be unconscious of, it may go through a process of ‘cutting out/letting go’ those aspects no longer seen as holding any value. It can be an existentially healthy process of picking through the ashes, cleaning up the mess of the burned down house. I’d suggest it is part of the heated debates that sometimes crescendo and/or turn in to perceived ‘crusades’. For unwitting onlookers of arguments of very unusual subtleties, it can come across as crazy talk. It makes up some of the dynamic of message boards like this. For peeps trying to get to an I-to-I understanding of each other’s expression, it often requires a hashing out of terminology, intentions, the context of utterances, and so on and so forth. There’s alo the potential for distinguishing between pointing out discrepancies, providing suggestions, pursuing ‘I gotcha’ traps, and the like. The appearing language used can be telling, but not really a 100% thingy. The degree of mutual respect, integrity, and enjoyment brought to the endeavor, if so inclined, is often at the crux of trust, and whether the it is successful or not. If it's mostly 'I gotcha'-oriented, it is much more likely to turn into a food fight. Admitting one's responsibility, misunderstanding, etc in such interactions can be a clearer reflection of Truth. It takes two to tango in convos. I’ll leave it at that for now. Curious if anyone agrees or not, and insights. I find Reefs characterization of "cursade(s)" to be apt. |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2022 9:14:22 GMT -5
I appreciate the comments.  Yeah, not such a good idea after all. As A-H always says, if it's not a hell-yes!, then it's a hell-no. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
When a seeker stumbles over Truth and realizes it has been hiding within plain sight for eternity, there is a certain release. It can take on all forms of expression. At first, it is an explosion of unconscious bliss that collapses a massive structure. As the newly forming sense of perception comes into conscious awareness of all the ‘things’ the previous structure used to miss/be unconscious of, it may go through a process of ‘cutting out/letting go’ those aspects no longer seen as holding any value. It can be an existentially healthy process of picking through the ashes, cleaning up the mess of the burned down house. I’d suggest it is part of the heated debates that sometimes crescendo and/or turn in to perceived ‘crusades’. For unwitting onlookers of arguments of very unusual subtleties, it can come across as crazy talk. It makes up some of the dynamic of message boards like this. For peeps trying to get to an I-to-I understanding of each other’s expression, it often requires a hashing out of terminology, intentions, the context of utterances, and so on and so forth. There’s alo the potential for distinguishing between pointing out discrepancies, providing suggestions, pursuing ‘I gotcha’ traps, and the like. The appearing language used can be telling, but not really a 100% thingy. The degree of mutual respect, integrity, and enjoyment brought to the endeavor, if so inclined, is often at the crux of trust, and whether the it is successful or not. If it's mostly 'I gotcha'-oriented, it is much more likely to turn into a food fight. Admitting one's responsibility, misunderstanding, etc in such interactions can be a clearer reflection of Truth. It takes two to tango in convos. I’ll leave it at that for now. Curious if anyone agrees or not, and insights. I find Reefs characterization of "cursade(s)" to be apt. I cannot argue with that, yet there were numerous cutting characterizations to his earlier expressions when he came to the board! Would be interesting to see whether Reefs warned or banned Reefs at that time. Always interesting to see how IT spins out of the opening gateless gate. Ride that horsey, ride!!  |
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Post by laughter on Jul 25, 2022 9:19:31 GMT -5
First of all, nice attempt at a double bind. Here, let me give you a preview. Perhaps it's just part of a larger cycle that has to play itself out. I second SN's general observation that you seem to be looking for a fight, but also plead mea maxima culpa for having raised her specter multiple times in the past few weeks. A quick perusal of her private sandbox reveals multiple trails up, down and Banana Mountain, and not the solo ATA variety either .. these are guided tours. Much bent-up and lots of butt hurt on these treks. You know how it will end. Already. It had been awhile since the team-up dynamic had expressed on the forum. I really didn't miss it. That's weird that you had some thoughts to express at the same time as me.  ..  |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 9:22:22 GMT -5
I appreciate the comments. Yeah, not such a good idea after all. As A-H always says, if it's not a hell-yes!, then it's a hell-no. No 'hell yes' to just talk to Figs one-on-one, play with some conscious alignment themes, agree-to-disagree, and let water flow under the bridge? You two seemed versed in the A-H stuff, so there's that avenue. You two didn't enjoy the last tango, but it also doesn't have to stay that way. Not necessary, but just an idea to consider. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 9:49:15 GMT -5
I've thought about this on and off since you posted it. My thoughts-feelings haven't been clear. I have a decent relationship with Fig these days and feel a sense of loyalty to her. On the flip side, I think there's a risk that spiritualteachers could become spiritualgab part two....I don't think Fig would mind me saying that she has a strong personality, and a LOT of energy for discussion.... Every subject could quite easily revert quite quickly back to the topic of solipsism, and I don't think that's good for this forum.
So my suggestion is, if Fig wanted to.....maybe you could give her her own thread space here for a while, and see how that goes. Like you did with Gopal (except Gopal wasn't limited to that thread). Then she can challenge you, or ZD, or me, or anyone on THIS forum, but in her own space. And if anyone wanted to discuss it with her, they could do. I'm not voting, because that's the best I can come up with. That's a balanced insight. |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2022 10:32:20 GMT -5
I appreciate the comments. Yeah, not such a good idea after all. As A-H always says, if it's not a hell-yes!, then it's a hell-no. No 'hell yes' to just talk to Figs one-on-one, play with some conscious alignment themes, agree-to-disagree, and let water flow under the bridge? You two seemed versed in the A-H stuff, so there's that avenue. You two didn't enjoy the last tango, but it also doesn't have to stay that way. Not necessary, but just an idea to consider. No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 10:51:48 GMT -5
No 'hell yes' to just talk to Figs one-on-one, play with some conscious alignment themes, agree-to-disagree, and let water flow under the bridge? You two seemed versed in the A-H stuff, so there's that avenue. You two didn't enjoy the last tango, but it also doesn't have to stay that way. Not necessary, but just an idea to consider. No objections to this on my part. I'm the eternal optimist. I've known Figgles for more than 10 years and when we first met on a different forum, we had the most playful and fun interactions. Enigma was part of that group too. So I know the potential. I know what's possible and I've already seen it before. And I like to focus on that. I'd like to see and interact with that version of Figgles again. That's the tango part. Now the A-H part. You have to consider another component to this, momentum. That's what Sharon, Laughter and Andrew have been alluding to. They are afraid it is uncontrollable at this stage. Fair point. I would have some ideas on how to break that momentum though. But what gives me the 'hell-no' feeling like nothing else is the general lack of enthusiasm at my proposal. I didn't expect this. So I have to admit that I may have misjudged this entire situation. And we may be much better off if we leave things as they are. Thanks, man. To me, this sounds much more balanced than the wording of the poll. Nice to read this. Imo, it means a lot. The eternal optimist in me says that one of the infinite potentials is that yes, it is indeed possible. The momentum, yes. For the tango to work in a mutually propitious way, and for the board, it would take a decent amount of self-awareness. This goes for all of us as we engage the mind in order to engage in convos, from whatever perspective. Peacely~ |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2022 11:21:54 GMT -5
This was also Elon Musk's idea when he made his bid to buy Twitter. He was against permanent bans on Twitter and said they should have an expiry date. Yeah. I now think temp bans are a lot better than permanent bans. For permanent bans the threshold is rather high and as a mod you'll put up with a lot more for a lot longer than you usually would, because a permanent ban is a really a big thing which shouldn't be issued willy-nilly. With a temp ban, you can nip it in the bud rather effectively. A couple of days or a week vacation, isn't such a big deal. So the threshold can be a lot lower. And when someone has been sent on vacation multiple times, there's a learning curve to be expected somewhere. Penalty Box. |
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