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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 7:41:23 GMT -5
Have you ever examined this compulsion? As in, from where and from what does it originate? If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista That would make desire the origination then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 7:44:52 GMT -5
Have you ever examined this compulsion? As in, from where and from what does it originate? If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista Honest to God I can't think of a better answer than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 7:56:20 GMT -5
If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista That would make desire the origination then. Then keep going I guess  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 9:43:19 GMT -5
That would make desire the origination then. Then keep going I guess I don't really understand what you've written. To me, compulsion indicates the presence of unneccessary waves. |
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Post by sree on Jul 24, 2022 12:46:55 GMT -5
I told you back in Post 272 on Jul 17. I realized consciousness is me. I see myself as being the human consciousness. It leaves me as a state of awareness. I am now on my front porch looking at the tree-lined street with the sun shining through their canopies "forming breathtaking carpets of nodding violet-blue flowers resplendent in the dappled light". The preceding description in bold was lifted from the internet to create in my writing that Krishnamurti effect that wooed the weirdos transforming them to whackos. I am immune to that kind of literature.
I know where you are going with your questions. It's the kind my dog would ask when he was sniffing out wild fowl hidden in the marshes. I would wait till those self-realized geese break cover before I let loose with both barrels of my 12-gauge Benelli.
Have you bagged any yet? Don't waste time using your duck calls on me. I am no duck. I am a fellow hunter.
I started the thread because peeps use the term as if it's realised . I don't understand how folks realise what they are and then say Ah! I am consciousness . That doesn't happen, so I am curious why peeps continue to act like Consciousness professors . You are welcome to explain yourself or not, so you can put the gun down . It's funny how simple questions bring the worse out of some peeps .
Sorry, I was being a bad peep. Allow me to clarify the top line in bold above.
I am human consciousness as opposed to squirrel consciousness.
As human consciousness, I am a state of awareness in which there is cognition of place populated by people and things not to mention sensations like sound of cars passing by, chirping of birds, the AC condenser running, leaves of trees rustled by the breeze that also touches the skin of my body. What else?
Can you tell me where you are going with this? I am the impatient type. If you can state your objective, I can give you the info you want right now instead of having to check back every 24 hours.
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Post by andrew on Jul 24, 2022 13:13:31 GMT -5
Have you ever examined this compulsion? As in, from where and from what does it originate? If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista That doesn't explain the compulsion. In the 'is it real or is it a figment' context, the whole world could be functioning as per normal without anyone or anything else being aware or conscious. Their point is that the 'one' that is aware can ONLY be aware of their own capacity to be aware. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 24, 2022 13:17:46 GMT -5
We are talking about an adult whom proclaims that they don't know if their wife of many years can perceive them or not . You change the context and put a new born babe into the same picture and ask if the babe has a comparison of a real perceiver in their locker . If you are aware enough to say that you don't know if the wife is perceiving you, then you are aware enough to have a comparison . This is the point . . I know that I am conscious but I do not know if anyone else is conscious in the way that I know that I am conscious but I'm compelled to interact with them as if they are. If you don't understand that then I can't explain it anymore. This is about what I actually know directly and I can only know myself. I cannot know the other except as an appearance. If you don't understand this then it is obviously beyond your understanding. I can't make it any clearer to you. That sense of probability is based on past experience I assume (and maybe some science knowledge)? So it's different. If you can only know of your own awareness, you have no way of formulating a probability as to whether others are aware. In a sense, your 'being' aware is your own 'personal universe', and you have no access to anyone else's universe. There's no way of forming a probability. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 13:18:08 GMT -5
If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista That doesn't explain the compulsion. In the 'is it real or is it a figment' context, the whole world could be functioning as per normal without anyone or anything else being aware or conscious. Their point is that the 'one' that is aware can ONLY be aware of their own capacity to be aware. I too have had enough of this weekend. I'm going to gamble a bit. Wish me luck! Hehe |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 13:51:48 GMT -5
That doesn't explain the compulsion. In the 'is it real or is it a figment' context, the whole world could be functioning as per normal without anyone or anything else being aware or conscious. Their point is that the 'one' that is aware can ONLY be aware of their own capacity to be aware. I too have had enough of this weekend. I'm going to gamble a bit. Wish me luck! Hehe  |
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Post by tenka on Jul 24, 2022 14:03:31 GMT -5
We are talking about an adult whom proclaims that they don't know if their wife of many years can perceive them or not . You change the context and put a new born babe into the same picture and ask if the babe has a comparison of a real perceiver in their locker . If you are aware enough to say that you don't know if the wife is perceiving you, then you are aware enough to have a comparison . This is the point . I know that I am conscious but I do not know if anyone else is conscious in the way that I know that I am conscious but I'm compelled to interact with them as if they are. If you don't understand that then I can't explain it anymore. This is about what I actually know directly and I can only know myself. I cannot know the other except as an appearance. If you don't understand this then it is obviously beyond your understanding. I can't make it any clearer to you. You are changing contexts again . Let's just speak about what was initially said . I don't know if the sun will rise tomorrow either but it doesn't stop me knowing that all things are what you are . I can accept that from a mental level one cannot see through the eyes of another . That's the beauty of individuality in effect . It doesn't reflect the bigger picture tho and that's what a few are pointing too . If you realise all that you are then you know that all is what you are . If you are experiencing individuality upon the earth plane, then is a level playing field . You can't have real perceivers pregnating unreal females and end up with babies that one doesn't know if they are real or not . Foundation, Foundation, Foundation . |
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Post by tenka on Jul 24, 2022 14:13:39 GMT -5
Come on all you Self realised Folks  What is it that you have realised Consciousness to be?
What does this reflect in all things manifest and unmanifest? Explain how what you are transcended mind and self and then had this grand realisation that you are Consciousness . Consciousness is Form. Consciousness might as well be used as an ingredient used in a cake . It still doesn't reflect what form or Consciousness is . It's just a word like the Sun . We know of it as the Sun, but what does it comprise of . Consciousness is used any willy nilly . It means nuffin in the real world . |
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Post by tenka on Jul 24, 2022 14:27:27 GMT -5
You also said Consciousness is a state of awareness and also you see yourself as being human consciousness .
I started the thread because peeps use the term as if it's realised . I don't understand how folks realise what they are and then say Ah! I am consciousness . That doesn't happen, so I am curious why peeps continue to act like Consciousness professors . You are welcome to explain yourself or not, so you can put the gun down . It's funny how simple questions bring the worse out of some peeps .
Sorry, I was being a bad peep. Allow me to clarify the top line in bold above.
I am human consciousness as opposed to squirrel consciousness.
As human consciousness, I am a state of awareness in which there is cognition of place populated by people and things not to mention sensations like sound of cars passing by, chirping of birds, the AC condenser running, leaves of trees rustled by the breeze that also touches the skin of my body. What else?
Can you tell me where you are going with this? I am the impatient type. If you can state your objective, I can give you the info you want right now instead of having to check back every 24 hours.
No worries, it looks like you wear your heart on your sleeve . I am an easy going guy believe or not, but I don't stand for BS or any nonsense . Perhaps a little like yourself . I am not trying to trip you up or anything, My thread was an open question regarding what is Consciousness . Like said Consciousness isn't realised . It's just a word to refer to something or other, but in these circles it used as a trump card when no one really knows fcuk all about it . I understand that you and I are experiencing what we are within a physical environment . There is both self awareness and being self conscious . Peeps can call that Consciousness, but like said, it means nuffin to me to describe it as that . Some say all is Consciousness and then mix being conscious as that, and then throw in awareness as what we are also, and then swap them around when it suits . What we are is both conscious and aware . In my eyes there is no need to wrap that up into little Consciousness parcels and then say we are that and we arise in or of that . |
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Post by andrew on Jul 24, 2022 14:36:44 GMT -5
I know the sun is going to rise tomorrow but I can't be certain it will. I know that I am conscious but I do not know if anyone else is conscious in the way that I know that I am conscious but I'm compelled to interact with them as if they are. If you don't understand that then I can't explain it anymore. This is about what I actually know directly and I can only know myself. I cannot know the other except as an appearance. If you don't understand this then it is obviously beyond your understanding. I can't make it any clearer to you. You are changing contexts again . Let's just speak about what was initially said . I don't know if the sun will rise tomorrow either but it doesn't stop me knowing that all things are what you are . I can accept that from a mental level one cannot see through the eyes of another . That's the beauty of individuality in effect . It doesn't reflect the bigger picture tho and that's what a few are pointing too . If you realise all that you are then you know that all is what you are . If you are experiencing individuality upon the earth plane, then is a level playing field . You can't have real perceivers pregnating unreal females and end up with babies that one doesn't know if they are real or not . Foundation, Foundation, Foundation . yeah, nicely expressed. |
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Post by sree on Jul 24, 2022 15:11:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I was being a bad peep. Allow me to clarify the top line in bold above.
I am human consciousness as opposed to squirrel consciousness.
As human consciousness, I am a state of awareness in which there is cognition of place populated by people and things not to mention sensations like sound of cars passing by, chirping of birds, the AC condenser running, leaves of trees rustled by the breeze that also touches the skin of my body. What else?
Can you tell me where you are going with this? I am the impatient type. If you can state your objective, I can give you the info you want right now instead of having to check back every 24 hours.
No worries, it looks like you wear your heart on your sleeve . I am an easy going guy believe or not, but I don't stand for BS or any nonsense . Perhaps a little like yourself . I am not trying to trip you up or anything, My thread was an open question regarding what is Consciousness . Like said Consciousness isn't realised . It's just a word to refer to something or other, but in these circles it used as a trump card when no one really knows fcuk all about it . I understand that you and I are experiencing what we are within a physical environment . There is both self awareness and being self conscious . Peeps can call that Consciousness, but like said, it means nuffin to me to describe it as that . Some say all is Consciousness and then mix being conscious as that, and then throw in awareness as what we are also, and then swap them around when it suits . What we are is both conscious and aware . In my eyes there is no need to wrap that up into little Consciousness parcels and then say we are that and we arise in or of that . I like your line of questioning. It does cut out the BS. And when it does, peeps get annoyed.
Consciousness is a mystery. It has created a world and it has created me. Since we both don't care for BS, why don't you deal with me. I have been delving into this shit and dug out much to investigate with another pair of critical eyes. Some of the stuff will blow your mind. What do you say?
Stop wasting your time with peeps who need to wallow in BS. Let them be. They need it because they cannot handle the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 21:28:18 GMT -5
If you want coffee at Starbucks you gotta interact with the barista That doesn't explain the compulsion. In the 'is it real or is it a figment' context, the whole world could be functioning as per normal without anyone or anything else being aware or conscious. Their point is that the 'one' that is aware can ONLY be aware of their own capacity to be aware. So a tree that's felled in the forest does make a noise if you're not there? |
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