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Aug 8, 2022 12:35:11 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 8, 2022 12:10:03 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

No, I have really lost interest. I know what it means for self to vanish, I don't need to ask you. I still don't know what you are up to here on ST's forum. Everything is a cost-benefit analysis.

Ok, then let me ask you. What happens when the self vanishes? Don't speculate. This is what you guys are all doing. Tell me from direct experience of the vanishing of the self. What is the nature of state of awareness when the self disappears?

Also, what relevance does the understanding of such a phenomenon has in protecting you from real harm in the world?

Spirituality that does not yield fruit has no value.  

If you want fruit go and buy it from the local market. Apples and oranges will no more protect you from harm than knowing awareness will.

[stardustpilgrim]

Aug 3, 2022 13:23:00 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 3, 2022 9:56:11 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

I don't know a lot about the upper echelons or workings of 'the system', but recently I was considering if there's something about the system itself which means in order for there to be have's there also has to be have-not's. There's a show called Narcos I watched a while back, and I was considering the CIA's alleged propensity to conduct covert operations to continually destabilise the South American countries. You see the premise pop up on the various tv show's actually and I guess some might consider it's just conspiracy theory stuff, but I don't believe so. I think it has and does happen. So the question is why. Why is it better for more powerful countries to keep others down. Plus seemingly swathes of their own compatriots for that matter. Is it purely about those who control the majority of wealth and power in our own countries. That it needs to be that way for them to maintain that level of power and influence. Or is it something even more entrenched whereby it's necessary even for yours and mine relatively privileged lifestyles. I don't actually have the answer to that, but I suspect it may well be the latter. Because I'm convinced it goes on wholesale at state level and pretty much has since time immemorial.

If everyone was as privileged as you, why would they be cleaning your house and fetching your groceries. That's one of the reasons why I asked, what are you prepared to sacrifice. What if I said any perceived 'stain' was actually only relative to your comfort and privilege. Maybe you think, ah but it's fine for there to be variations in relative levels of privilege, just as long as we aren't unnecessarily starting wars between nations etc. But I'm wondering if one isn't just the extreme of the other. Already it's said there are various jobs in our home countries that the ancestral population aren't keen to do, and for the most part, simply don't need to do. So they ship in foreign labour, both documented and undocumented to get it done. But would they be coming to do for you if all counties and citizens were equally peaceful and prosperous. I'm not sure 'the system' can carry that. Maybe working together for the common good, in time technology could be developed to pick up some of the slack, we're heading that way. But realistically that’s still some way off, and certainly in the current status quo is it not the case that there are some roles which tend only to be performed by the have-not's. And if they find themselves in that position instead of you, regardless of absence of wars between nations, why wouldn't they want to stand up for themselves. Why wouldn't they still want to fight you for your relative privilege as best they can.

Thank you for the post. It is well thought out. The attention you gave to forming your questions justify my being in this forum. Even if this is the only post of this quality, my time spent here has been worthwhile. I must admit that there have been periods of despair: the thought of being in a dump with losers because I am a loser myself. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Imagine, you and I comprise a think tank, a research institute, like the World Economic Forum (WEF), addressing the questions and concerns in your post. Surely, that amount of international heft devoted to ending human suffering would find the cause. Instantaneous awakening for all mankind. Wouldn't that be better than each loser being a light to himself seeking the selfless state?

I agree with Krishnamurti that being an individual is the cause of suffering. Davos is an initiative of individuals, each with his point of view and priority. This is why every move they make fuels the flames of human suffering. Not much different from the members in this forum hashing stuff out.

Therefore, liberation from self-hood, is a prerequisite for participation in the think tank; otherwise, the individualistic perspective would yield self-serving solutions. As individuals, we cannot see selfishness at work. Water cannot see what water is, said Krishnamurti. Mother Theresa believed she was helping the poor and not exploiting poverty to win a place in Heaven. What do you think Bill Gates believe in for the betterment of mankind?

Am I free of the self? Yes. I will take any lie-detector test conducted by members here. The problem is, who knows what is what unless the tester is also free of the self? Are you free of the self? If not, who will you nominate to test me? Most of you guys are just throwing muck at each other instead of seriously authenticating findings of universal value to everyone.

My personal situation. Yes, I do employ domestic help when I am in Asia. Do I need to? Probably not. I could live in a hotel. It would be the same thing, right? I pay and don't have to lift a finger to do anything. When you examine my situation, someone is always doing something to make life comfortable for me, and all I have to do is pay those unfortunate enough to be holding the short end of the stick. The entire grid that supports my lifestyle is run on the backs of people right down to the peasant in Mexico growing the avocado now in my salad bowl. How would you question the morality of my selfless state then? I did say I live better than Krishnamurti. That guy didn't even have to lift a finger to make his bed.

So, how do I deal with corruption in government from the US President right down to the cop on the take in my town? I have always been horrified by the brutality of the American prison system. How can we put an end to all crime? How can we stop seeing enemies at every corner, get rid of nuclear weapons, scrap our military and end warfighting? All these questions I ask are expected from every US citizen as a responsible participant in our democracy. This is spelled out in our Constitution.

Living right is what spirituality is about. Taking responsibility for our common welfare in this world is a spiritual calling.   

  

 

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

[sree]

Aug 8, 2022 20:24:42 GMT -5 @satch said:

Aug 8, 2022 12:35:11 GMT -5 sree said:

Ok, then let me ask you. What happens when the self vanishes? Don't speculate. This is what you guys are all doing. Tell me from direct experience of the vanishing of the self. What is the nature of state of awareness when the self disappears?

Also, what relevance does the understanding of such a phenomenon has in protecting you from real harm in the world?

Spirituality that does not yield fruit has no value.  

If you want fruit go and buy it from the local market. Apples and oranges will no more protect you from harm than knowing awareness will.

You did not respond to my post on your mutilated cats. Did they catch your tongue?

Your loving kindness kills. You don't see that. The Ayatollah has been calling us the Great Satan for years; and yet, we trek on in our mission to protect the world from evil dictators.

 

[sree]

Aug 8, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Aug 3, 2022 13:23:00 GMT -5 sree said:

Thank you for the post. It is well thought out. The attention you gave to forming your questions justify my being in this forum. Even if this is the only post of this quality, my time spent here has been worthwhile. I must admit that there have been periods of despair: the thought of being in a dump with losers because I am a loser myself. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Imagine, you and I comprise a think tank, a research institute, like the World Economic Forum (WEF), addressing the questions and concerns in your post. Surely, that amount of international heft devoted to ending human suffering would find the cause. Instantaneous awakening for all mankind. Wouldn't that be better than each loser being a light to himself seeking the selfless state?

I agree with Krishnamurti that being an individual is the cause of suffering. Davos is an initiative of individuals, each with his point of view and priority. This is why every move they make fuels the flames of human suffering. Not much different from the members in this forum hashing stuff out.

Therefore, liberation from self-hood, is a prerequisite for participation in the think tank; otherwise, the individualistic perspective would yield self-serving solutions. As individuals, we cannot see selfishness at work. Water cannot see what water is, said Krishnamurti. Mother Theresa believed she was helping the poor and not exploiting poverty to win a place in Heaven. What do you think Bill Gates believe in for the betterment of mankind?

Am I free of the self? Yes. I will take any lie-detector test conducted by members here. The problem is, who knows what is what unless the tester is also free of the self? Are you free of the self? If not, who will you nominate to test me? Most of you guys are just throwing muck at each other instead of seriously authenticating findings of universal value to everyone.

My personal situation. Yes, I do employ domestic help when I am in Asia. Do I need to? Probably not. I could live in a hotel. It would be the same thing, right? I pay and don't have to lift a finger to do anything. When you examine my situation, someone is always doing something to make life comfortable for me, and all I have to do is pay those unfortunate enough to be holding the short end of the stick. The entire grid that supports my lifestyle is run on the backs of people right down to the peasant in Mexico growing the avocado now in my salad bowl. How would you question the morality of my selfless state then? I did say I live better than Krishnamurti. That guy didn't even have to lift a finger to make his bed.

So, how do I deal with corruption in government from the US President right down to the cop on the take in my town? I have always been horrified by the brutality of the American prison system. How can we put an end to all crime? How can we stop seeing enemies at every corner, get rid of nuclear weapons, scrap our military and end warfighting? All these questions I ask are expected from every US citizen as a responsible participant in our democracy. This is spelled out in our Constitution.

Living right is what spirituality is about. Taking responsibility for our common welfare in this world is a spiritual calling.   

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

Can you see the silliness in this statement? Let me reword it: A self with no self will have compassion for every self.

Of course, you would huddle with your own kind: demons one and all.

I have no compassion for selves because they are created by thought and are evil: toxic human energy.

 

[stardustpilgrim]

Aug 8, 2022 22:05:17 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 8, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

Can you see the silliness in this statement? Let me reword it: A self with no self will have compassion for every self.

Of course, you would huddle with your own kind: demons one and all.

I have no compassion for selves because they are created by thought and are evil: toxic human energy.

 

Yes, it's obvious.

[sree]

Aug 8, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Aug 3, 2022 13:23:00 GMT -5 sree said:

Thank you for the post. It is well thought out. The attention you gave to forming your questions justify my being in this forum. Even if this is the only post of this quality, my time spent here has been worthwhile. I must admit that there have been periods of despair: the thought of being in a dump with losers because I am a loser myself. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Imagine, you and I comprise a think tank, a research institute, like the World Economic Forum (WEF), addressing the questions and concerns in your post. Surely, that amount of international heft devoted to ending human suffering would find the cause. Instantaneous awakening for all mankind. Wouldn't that be better than each loser being a light to himself seeking the selfless state?

I agree with Krishnamurti that being an individual is the cause of suffering. Davos is an initiative of individuals, each with his point of view and priority. This is why every move they make fuels the flames of human suffering. Not much different from the members in this forum hashing stuff out.

Therefore, liberation from self-hood, is a prerequisite for participation in the think tank; otherwise, the individualistic perspective would yield self-serving solutions. As individuals, we cannot see selfishness at work. Water cannot see what water is, said Krishnamurti. Mother Theresa believed she was helping the poor and not exploiting poverty to win a place in Heaven. What do you think Bill Gates believe in for the betterment of mankind?

Am I free of the self? Yes. I will take any lie-detector test conducted by members here. The problem is, who knows what is what unless the tester is also free of the self? Are you free of the self? If not, who will you nominate to test me? Most of you guys are just throwing muck at each other instead of seriously authenticating findings of universal value to everyone.

My personal situation. Yes, I do employ domestic help when I am in Asia. Do I need to? Probably not. I could live in a hotel. It would be the same thing, right? I pay and don't have to lift a finger to do anything. When you examine my situation, someone is always doing something to make life comfortable for me, and all I have to do is pay those unfortunate enough to be holding the short end of the stick. The entire grid that supports my lifestyle is run on the backs of people right down to the peasant in Mexico growing the avocado now in my salad bowl. How would you question the morality of my selfless state then? I did say I live better than Krishnamurti. That guy didn't even have to lift a finger to make his bed.

So, how do I deal with corruption in government from the US President right down to the cop on the take in my town? I have always been horrified by the brutality of the American prison system. How can we put an end to all crime? How can we stop seeing enemies at every corner, get rid of nuclear weapons, scrap our military and end warfighting? All these questions I ask are expected from every US citizen as a responsible participant in our democracy. This is spelled out in our Constitution.

Living right is what spirituality is about. Taking responsibility for our common welfare in this world is a spiritual calling.   

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

What does it mean to be free of the self? The categorical statement I made stirred no curiosity but provoked condemnation.

Strange, isn't it? This forum is chock full of freedom-seekers engaged in convoluted arguments and analyses on getting to that other shore; and yet, when I said "hey guys, I got out", you threw rocks at me. Do you know why? Of course, you don't.

Dead bodies, long past death and decayed, cannot be revived. You see me a rotten corpse, like the rest of you. Seems like Nightmare before Christmas and we are all Halloween Jacks here.

[stardustpilgrim]

Aug 9, 2022 9:00:21 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 8, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

What does it mean to be free of the self? The categorical statement I made stirred no curiosity but provoked condemnation.

Strange, isn't it? This forum is chock full of freedom-seekers engaged in convoluted arguments and analyses on getting to that other shore; and yet, when I said "hey guys, I got out", you threw rocks at me. Do you know why? Of course, you don't.

Dead bodies, long past death and decayed, cannot be revived. You see me a rotten corpse, like the rest of you. Seems like Nightmare before Christmas and we are all Halloween Jacks here.

Acknowledged having read.

[ouroboros]

Aug 9, 2022 9:00:21 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 8, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

You think you are free of self? You are not. Everybody is subject to karma. If you were free of self, you would not put yourself in the position of generating karma. Yet you do, every day here. You are tied to everything you think and feel and do, like everyone. Karma is the golden rule known by all religions, what you do to others will be done to you. It's just that simple. A person with no self will have compassion for everyone. A person with no self will never act with coercion, or nastiness.

What does it mean to be free of the self? The categorical statement I made stirred no curiosity but provoked condemnation.

Strange, isn't it? This forum is chock full of freedom-seekers engaged in convoluted arguments and analyses on getting to that other shore; and yet, when I said "hey guys, I got out", you threw rocks at me. Do you know why? Of course, you don't.

Dead bodies, long past death and decayed, cannot be revived. You see me a rotten corpse, like the rest of you. Seems like Nightmare before Christmas and we are all Halloween Jacks here.

Actually there's a fair comment in there. You told us you are free of self, and empty, and we dismissed that, (which I stand by), and went on to detail why don't believe that to be the case and what we think it would entail.

But we didn't actually ask you what that means to you, that you are free of self, and how it plays out in your experience. Now you mention it I am genuinely curious.

What does it mean to you to be free of self, sree? … can you detail it for me.

[sree]

Aug 9, 2022 9:12:53 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Aug 9, 2022 9:00:21 GMT -5 sree said:

What does it mean to be free of the self? The categorical statement I made stirred no curiosity but provoked condemnation.

Strange, isn't it? This forum is chock full of freedom-seekers engaged in convoluted arguments and analyses on getting to that other shore; and yet, when I said "hey guys, I got out", you threw rocks at me. Do you know why? Of course, you don't.

Dead bodies, long past death and decayed, cannot be revived. You see me a rotten corpse, like the rest of you. Seems like Nightmare before Christmas and we are all Halloween Jacks here.

Actually there's a fair comment in there. You told us you are free of self, and empty, and we dismissed that, (which I stand by), and went on to detail why don't believe that to be the case and what we think it would entail.

But we didn't actually ask you what that means to you, that you are free of self, and how it plays out in your experience. Now you mention it I am genuinely curious.

What does it mean to you to be free of self, sree? … can you detail it for me.

I didn't expect you to come back. Even I am prone to close the book on lost causes. Look at stardust. He gave up on me. Krishnamurti never gave up.

What does it mean to me to be free of the self, you ask. To me, it is freedom from being something I am not. Life is magical. It is not meant to be dangerous, painful and miserable. Life as a person is just that: dangerous, painful, and miserable. Anxiety is always there while fear lurks unseen.

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

To be free of self is to be able to watch it; especially, when it morphs into you in the form of adversary or worse, a friend.

 

 

 

     

 

[ouroboros]

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 9, 2022 9:12:53 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Actually there's a fair comment in there. You told us you are free of self, and empty, and we dismissed that, (which I stand by), and went on to detail why don't believe that to be the case and what we think it would entail.

But we didn't actually ask you what that means to you, that you are free of self, and how it plays out in your experience. Now you mention it I am genuinely curious.

What does it mean to you to be free of self, sree? … can you detail it for me.

I didn't expect you to come back. Even I am prone to close the book on lost causes. Look at stardust. He gave up on me. Krishnamurti never gave up.

What does it mean to me to be free of the self, you ask. To me, it is freedom from being something I am not. Life is magical. It is not meant to be dangerous, painful and miserable. Life as a person is just that: dangerous, painful, and miserable. Anxiety is always there while fear lurks unseen.

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

To be free of self is to be able to watch it; especially, when it morphs into you in the form of adversary or worse, a friend.

I'm never far, but tend to dip in and out as my interest waxes and wanes, and my focus.

I'm not sure I quite understand where you are coming from. The obvious question is that if not being a self is magical and peaceful, why walk the line. What draws you to do that. Why not remain in the no-self state. I mean, I thought you implied you would need to have at least been in it to have a reference for it.

Can you say any more about that.

[andrew]

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 9, 2022 9:12:53 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Actually there's a fair comment in there. You told us you are free of self, and empty, and we dismissed that, (which I stand by), and went on to detail why don't believe that to be the case and what we think it would entail.

But we didn't actually ask you what that means to you, that you are free of self, and how it plays out in your experience. Now you mention it I am genuinely curious.

What does it mean to you to be free of self, sree? … can you detail it for me.

I didn't expect you to come back. Even I am prone to close the book on lost causes. Look at stardust. He gave up on me. Krishnamurti never gave up.

What does it mean to me to be free of the self, you ask. To me, it is freedom from being something I am not. Life is magical. It is not meant to be dangerous, painful and miserable. Life as a person is just that: dangerous, painful, and miserable. Anxiety is always there while fear lurks unseen.

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

To be free of self is to be able to watch it; especially, when it morphs into you in the form of adversary or worse, a friend.

 

 

 

     

 

I read a lot of what you say, I found this to be one of your most readable posts yet...I read it 3 times.

I just asked myself why I don't comment more on your posts, and here's what I came up with....

When I talk to someone, I like to get to know them through the talking...I like to develop understanding of how their mind works, their values, their priorities. But with you, I haven't been clear what question to ask you, to get to know you. That's quite unusual for me. Please don't take that as a criticism, because it's not.

But in this post, I felt like I got to know you a bit.

[stardustpilgrim]

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

Aug 9, 2022 9:12:53 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Actually there's a fair comment in there. You told us you are free of self, and empty, and we dismissed that, (which I stand by), and went on to detail why don't believe that to be the case and what we think it would entail.

But we didn't actually ask you what that means to you, that you are free of self, and how it plays out in your experience. Now you mention it I am genuinely curious.

What does it mean to you to be free of self, sree? … can you detail it for me.

I didn't expect you to come back. Even I am prone to close the book on lost causes. Look at stardust. He gave up on me. Krishnamurti never gave up.

What does it mean to me to be free of the self, you ask. To me, it is freedom from being something I am not. Life is magical. It is not meant to be dangerous, painful and miserable. Life as a person is just that: dangerous, painful, and miserable. Anxiety is always there while fear lurks unseen.

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

To be free of self is to be able to watch it; especially, when it morphs into you in the form of adversary or worse, a friend.

 

 

 

     

 

That's just a tiny, tiny, tiny beginning. To be free of self means to quit being self, to end the manifestations of self.

>This< is an example. self can be like an old coat, just put on when necessary.

[ouroboros]

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

I'm not sure compassion is all about pity for the other guy either. It's about empathy which is about being able to relate and to put yourself in their position. I mean, sure you can frame that as pity, but it's probably a bit more nuanced than that. What I mean is, I don't think you can have empathy without first having some measure of compassion for yourself. It's interesting to note that those without empathy often tend to be the most self-absorbed, and narcissistic. I think at the very least real compassion can be said to come through relative selflessness. Through at least mentally walking in another shoes, rather than merely our own.

[stardustpilgrim]

Aug 9, 2022 13:35:21 GMT -5 ouroboros said:

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

I'm not sure compassion is all about pity for the other guy either. It's about empathy which is about being able to relate and to put yourself in their position. I mean, sure you can frame that as pity, but it's probably a bit more nuanced than that. What I mean is, I don't think you can have empathy without first having some measure of compassion for yourself. It's interesting to note that those without empathy often tend to be the most self-absorbed, and narcissistic. I think at the very least real compassion can be said to come through relative selflessness. Through at least mentally walking in another shoes, rather than merely our own.

Yes.

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Aug 9, 2022 13:14:28 GMT -5 andrew said:

Aug 9, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5 sree said:

I didn't expect you to come back. Even I am prone to close the book on lost causes. Look at stardust. He gave up on me. Krishnamurti never gave up.

What does it mean to me to be free of the self, you ask. To me, it is freedom from being something I am not. Life is magical. It is not meant to be dangerous, painful and miserable. Life as a person is just that: dangerous, painful, and miserable. Anxiety is always there while fear lurks unseen.

Living life, as a person, is like walking on wire. I walk it, and have been walking it as I watch others fall. Others are me. If one can fall, any can also. Why must we create a way of life where everyone is put at risk and forced to walk a wire? This is not a question of compassion. Compassion comes out of pity for the other guy. There is no other guy.

To be free of self is to be able to watch it; especially, when it morphs into you in the form of adversary or worse, a friend.

 

 

 

     

 

I read a lot of what you say, I found this to be one of your most readable posts yet...I read it 3 times.

I just asked myself why I don't comment more on your posts, and here's what I came up with....

When I talk to someone, I like to get to know them through the talking...I like to develop understanding of how their mind works, their values, their priorities. But with you, I haven't been clear what question to ask you, to get to know you. That's quite unusual for me. Please don't take that as a criticism, because it's not.

But in this post, I felt like I got to know you a bit.

If anyone here could help him it most likely would be you. You've walked a bit in his shoes yourself I imagine. Unclear if he's willing to sit a spell or not.


It would be easier to talk about him if he was dead! but apparently he's not! so let's hope for the best.