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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 19:40:49 GMT -5
sree, "There is something very distasteful about you as a person". I agree with satch. Jesus was distasteful also; otherwise, they would not have crucified him. I don't agree with you and satch who nailed him 2000 years ago. You haven't considered the alternative that it was the crucifers who were distasteful?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 19:52:49 GMT -5
It's just the way the cultural self is formed. The baby and the small child stores the data in their neural structure, connections between nerves, learned from their parents and caregivers. But sree is exactly correct. I don't see the human being as an organism. Consciousness is what we are: all one, for better or for worse, and never do we part. That's not consciousness. There is no better or worse concerning consciousness. You obviously see consciousness as a volitional entity. You are conflating it with the personal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 19:56:25 GMT -5
There's nothing abstract about saying that we do things to feel satisfied and fulfilled. It's basic human nature. First of all, yes it is abstract. Also, it's an opinion, one with a compelling opposite opinion. No it is not abstract. What would be your compelling opposite opinion. Presumably you're allowing yourself this opinion through free will or is that abstract too?
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 19:59:05 GMT -5
I thought that the concept of Original Sin, meant that a baby was separated from God, by birth. Yes, that's correct. Then the theologians have to invent epicycles so as not to send a baby that dies, to hell, like Augustine did. He said unbaptized babies that happen to die, go to hell. So theologians invented the age of accountability. If a child happens to die before the age of accountability, they get a pass, get a free ticket to heaven. My point is that ministers get this stuff taught in seminary, and most of them beat their congregation over the head with it. Baptists do anyway, Southern Baptists. Seems to me some people live their lives expecting, or even demanding answers to unanswerable questions. Some want guidance and clear rules and instructions as to how to live. I don't know enough to know how prevalent that is, and I'll refrain from my naturally cynical impulse in response to the notion. Christianity, in the forms of the institutions that propagate it, represents a state of social progression, or evolution, from the belief systems that people had before. Those beliefs were formed by a very different way of life from the late-stage agricultural revolution that is the context of Christianity. So maybe some of those beliefs are better or worse than Christian beliefs, it's situational. If you want a particular example of how the idea of the "evolution of Consciousness" is inherently flawed, there you go.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 20:01:05 GMT -5
First of all, yes it is abstract. Also, it's an opinion, one with a compelling opposite opinion. No it is not abstract. What would be your compelling opposite opinion. Presumably you're allowing yourself this opinion through free will or is that abstract too? I've already written about that opinion and there's no point in writing any more. It's one of those endless TMT hamster wheels and I've already explained why. There's no way to make generalized statements about the way people feel in various situations without using an abstraction. If you can't discern that, all I can do is point out what is the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 20:04:50 GMT -5
No it is not abstract. What would be your compelling opposite opinion. Presumably you're allowing yourself this opinion through free will or is that abstract too? I've already written about that opinion and there's no point in writing any more. It's one of those endless TMT hamster wheels and I've already explained why. There's no way to make generalized statements about the way people feel in various situations without using an abstraction. If you can't discern that, all I can do is point out what is the case. What is it about you that prevents you from speaking in plain and simple terms? I've been wrestling with your cryptic comments for years. You want to make everything an abstraction, to veil it in some kind of confusion that camouflages any kind of direct simple articulation that gets to the core of an issue. If you disagree then just explain why you disagree in simple and straightforward terms without doing the hamster wheel nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 20:12:48 GMT -5
I've already written about that opinion and there's no point in writing any more. It's one of those endless TMT hamster wheels and I've already explained why. There's no way to make generalized statements about the way people feel in various situations without using an abstraction. If you can't discern that, all I can do is point out what is the case. What is it about you that prevents you from speaking in plain and simple terms? I've been wrestling with your cryptic comments for years. You want to make everything an abstraction, to veil it in some kind of confusion that camouflages any kind of direct simple articulation that gets to the core of an issue. If you disagree then just explain why you disagree in simple and straightforward terms without doing the hamster wheel nonsense.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 20:20:43 GMT -5
I've already written about that opinion and there's no point in writing any more. It's one of those endless TMT hamster wheels and I've already explained why. There's no way to make generalized statements about the way people feel in various situations without using an abstraction. If you can't discern that, all I can do is point out what is the case. What is it about you that prevents you from speaking in plain and simple terms? I've been wrestling with your cryptic comments for years. You want to make everything an abstraction, to veil it in some kind of confusion that camouflages any kind of direct simple articulation that gets to the core of an issue. If you disagree then just explain why you disagree in simple and straightforward terms without doing the hamster wheel nonsense. Getting annoyed at your inability to discern when you're using abstractions, are you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 20:21:38 GMT -5
What is it about you that prevents you from speaking in plain and simple terms? I've been wrestling with your cryptic comments for years. You want to make everything an abstraction, to veil it in some kind of confusion that camouflages any kind of direct simple articulation that gets to the core of an issue. If you disagree then just explain why you disagree in simple and straightforward terms without doing the hamster wheel nonsense. Getting annoyed at your inability to discern when you're using abstractions, are you? Yes, I can understand how it might seem that way, to you. 😃
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 20:22:16 GMT -5
Getting annoyed at your inability to discern when you're using abstractions, are you? Yes, I can understand how it might seem that way, to you. 😃 Far be it from me to argue with you about the way you feel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 20:24:12 GMT -5
Yes, I can understand how it might seem that way, to you. 😃 Far be it from me to argue with you about the way you feel. a melody you've never heard, a flavor you've never tasted, a color you've never seen .... 😃
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 20:29:32 GMT -5
Far be it from me to argue with you about the way you feel. a melody you've never heard, a flavor you've never tasted, a color you've never seen .... 😃 Answered in the appropriate venue.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 21:51:22 GMT -5
I've already written about that opinion and there's no point in writing any more. It's one of those endless TMT hamster wheels and I've already explained why. There's no way to make generalized statements about the way people feel in various situations without using an abstraction. If you can't discern that, all I can do is point out what is the case. What is it about you that prevents you from speaking in plain and simple terms? I've been wrestling with your cryptic comments for years. You want to make everything an abstraction, to veil it in some kind of confusion that camouflages any kind of direct simple articulation that gets to the core of an issue. If you disagree then just explain why you disagree in simple and straightforward terms without doing the hamster wheel nonsense. Oh, he's much better now. He used to write whole paragraphs, whole posts, which were completely incomprehensible. I lie not. That's a complement laughter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 21:57:11 GMT -5
Getting annoyed at your inability to discern when you're using abstractions, are you? Yes, I can understand how it might seem that way, to you. 😃
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 21:59:48 GMT -5
Jesus was distasteful also; otherwise, they would not have crucified him. I don't agree with you and satch who nailed him 2000 years ago. You haven't considered the alternative that it was the crucifers who were distasteful? To be fair, Jesus poked them very hard, he was on a schedule, he needed to be crucified Friday. He was waiting for Passover to die. It was a Cosmic living drama.
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