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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 9:26:42 GMT -5
What does an act of human kindness have to do with politics? There is something very distasteful about you as a person. Human kindness? My discussion on getting rid of a government that creates beggars is considered politics and disallowed. You would declare criticism of such a government off-limits; and yet, you would expect me to support the beggars it creates? You can discuss government and politics, in theory. You just can't write about particulars, particular people, particular party views. There is a lot about government in the Tao Te Ching. You can write about any of that.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 9:32:48 GMT -5
We all live in the same physical manifest world. The same sun comes up for everyone. But psychologically, most everybody lives in their own little world, we attribute different causes and effects to events, we just view the world differently. There are a mere few people in the world who see themselves exactly as they are and who see the world as it actually is. I would say less than 1% of 1%. The rest of us do the best we can. But you hear people talk (you not so much because you avoid people), you see what people write here. Every day you hear or read, and say, that person has a distorted view. So most people, the overwhelming majority, live to some extent in imagination, in illusion. They live in illusion about themselves or in illusion concerning the world. Saying all that to say, it's just nonsense, just imagination, to say you are giving John, and all people like him, your life. I make a new metaphor, just for you. You have purchased 3 different 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzles, dumped them all on the table, and are trying to make one picture from them. Now, I can't do anything else for you, except point that out. You can keep trying to make one picture, or not. Sometimes we actually do have to start all over, that's usually quicker. You are not helping John, you are not helping yourself. You are not helping anyone here on ST's forum. No one. Sorry, you are merely escaping. You are not escaping the world, you are trying to escape yourself. The self filters and distorts everything that enters. But the problem is: "Wherever you go, there you are". The world mirrors the self (psychologically). So wherever you are, what you see is what you are. By escaping the world you are trying to keep the mirror still. It doesn't work that way. Wherever you go, there you are. The self itself, is what distorts. Now, will you accept this? No. The self will distort it in some manner. It enters via/ through sree. sree will just see what sree sees. So this post is very most likely an exercise in futility. But I know that, but I try, anyway. I should change my name to Sisyphus. I'm still at the stage of sorting out the pieces that belong to the 3 different boxes, before I try to put one puzzle together. Are you the Speaker of the House? Why do you presume to speak for the world? Such arrogance lives in a politician who wields the power snatched from the hands of the meek and the weak.
You are a boatman created by thought. Everyone here, including me, is also created by thought. The boatman is the agent of evil. It is not the self. I have stated that I am free of the self. This needs correction. My time spent in conversation with folks here has been beneficial and enabled me to make a distinction between the self and the boatman. I am free of the boatman, not the self which must exist as long as the body is alive. Therefore, this conversation is between the self (me)) and you (the boatman).
Boatmen do live in the same manifest world in the Block Universe invented by science. I see that sun, it came up this morning as I sat on my front porch bathed in its light. It is not the same sun as yours because it revolves around me. I am the center of the world in which you live. You get that? You are not the center of the world in which you live. You are just one of 8 billion boatmen all swimming helplessly in a mess of a world you people have created. I spit on it. Feed the beggars of your world. Don't tell me to contribute to your evil.
Is tenka around? Take apart what I said above and debunk it if you can. I don't think the others here can.
It's nice that you have shared this. If you had shared, I've changed my perspective, that would have helped...when it occurred. satch has nailed you pretty good.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 9:39:34 GMT -5
I've heard that story before about wearing shoes instead of covering the whole world with leather. It describes sree perfectly! Yup. I want to cover the whole world with leather so that no one will ever suffer injury. Look at the air that is plentiful everywhere for us to breathe. No one will ever suffocate. Spirituality is like that. I'm sorry, sree cannot change how the universe is structured and cannot change how society functions. That job is taken. You're just shadow boxing sree. You have said early, then later, just the opposite, an admission. Are you changing your mind back? I thought you had gotten honest. Now you are boring again.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 9:51:05 GMT -5
Come on, man. You are the government. The government is not formed by insects that, by the way, have good government. There are no beggars in ant nests and bee hives. Not one of those insects have to beg for food in the hives and nests. The government of the people, for the people and by the people are formed by you mothersuckers (Definition: beggar-feeders). This is not the story I was looking for, which I read recently, but it works. At the end it tells about what happens with a failing goose. socialwork.buffalo.edu/content/dam/socialwork/home/self-care-kit/the-goose-story-noyes.pdfGood story. I have my doubts about its factual basis. What are the empirical data? The V formation seems credible because the physics of fluid mechanics do check out. The geese, and ducks, learn them from God. As for the tale of the fallen geese getting assistance from its wingmen, it is a tall one and I won't swallow it. Which wildlife foundation/university did the research? Cite it. My observations throughout my years of hunting ducks in Wisconsin were consistent. The ducks always scattered and are GONE after the gunshots. The one or two who fell are fetched back by my hunting dogs who got to them in a flash. No two other geese ever followed their fallen brother to the ground. No other duck hunters ever told me that tall story either.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 10:00:40 GMT -5
Human kindness? My discussion on getting rid of a government that creates beggars is considered politics and disallowed. You would declare criticism of such a government off-limits; and yet, you would expect me to support the beggars it creates? You can discuss government and politics, in theory. You just can't write about particulars, particular people, particular party views. There is a lot about government in the Tao Te Ching. You can write about any of that. Exactly! Spirituality is about human life in the real world. The ancient Chinese philosophers were focused on right human conduct and condemned wrong behavior. Spirituality is about order and harmony in daily life. Ethics are consistent with no distinction between private and public life. Western spirituality is for bots.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 10:01:37 GMT -5
Sin is a very heavily loaded word. Sin means just to miss the mark. The archer aims for the target, misses the bullseye, that a sin, which merely means he missed the mark. Original sin is a disastrous plague on the west, an error. Original sin, in a conventional Christian context, is simply straying from God's will. In a broader, nondual context, it means the existential illusion, which can only be lifted by grace, as "knowledge of good and evil" points to the exact same notion as "ignorance of true nature". Grace doesn't leave an embryo, but there is clarity in the absence left by her wake. You need to brush up on your Calvin and your Augustine. All of Protestantism and the Catholic Church has as its basis that a newborn baby is born in sin. So in a western Christian family, a baby is seen as a person who is lost and separated from God, and this will be forever unless the child or young person or adult gets ~saved~. Now, the route to this is different for different denominations and is different in the Catholic Church. You are very familiar with the route of the Catholic Church, I am not. But to treat a child as if it is separated from God and a sinner from day one, and needs to be guided to the truth, that's what is monstrous. That's the definition of original sin. Look at Calvin for Protestantism. Look at Augustine for the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Church barely tolerates Augustine. And that's what our whole society is built on. Monstrous. Now you see why atheists think Christians are weird. And sree, from earlier, a few weeks ago, you asked me why I was against the church, that's why. Original sin is not just straying from God's will. From a western Christian's perspective, it means everything you do is based on wrongness, unless and until you get saved. All this is where the shame you wrote about comes from. Children are brought up in shame, monstrous. Now, the teachings of Jesus and he himself, almost nothing to do with the western church.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 10:05:17 GMT -5
Good story. I have my doubts about its factual basis. What are the empirical data? The V formation seems credible because the physics of fluid mechanics do check out. The geese, and ducks, learn them from God. As for the tale of the fallen geese getting assistance from its wingmen, it is a tall one and I won't swallow it. Which wildlife foundation/university did the research? Cite it. My observations throughout my years of hunting ducks in Wisconsin were consistent. The ducks always scattered and are GONE after the gunshots. The one or two who fell are fetched back by my hunting dogs who got to them in a flash. No two other geese ever followed their fallen brother to the ground. No other duck hunters ever told me that tall story either.
The story I couldn't find was about a goose that has a wounded wing and couldn't fly properly. So it always flew in the middle, it was taken care of by the other geese. I read it just a few days ago, couldn't find it. Your story doesn't apply.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 10:09:10 GMT -5
You can discuss government and politics, in theory. You just can't write about particulars, particular people, particular party views. There is a lot about government in the Tao Te Ching. You can write about any of that. Exactly! Spirituality is about human life in the real world. The ancient Chinese philosophers were focused on right human conduct and condemned wrong behavior. Spirituality is about order and harmony in daily life. Ethics are consistent with no distinction between private and public life. Western spirituality is for bots.
I explained a little in the original sin post, above, partly why the west is so f****d up. Western society is basically built upon a lie, on untruth. Reality is distorted in the west, psychological reality.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 10:12:15 GMT -5
Yup. I want to cover the whole world with leather so that no one will ever suffer injury. Look at the air that is plentiful everywhere for us to breathe. No one will ever suffocate. Spirituality is like that.
I'm sorry, sree cannot change how the universe is structured and cannot change how society functions. That job is taken. You're just shadow boxing sree. You have said early, then later, just the opposite, an admission. Are you changing your mind back? I thought you had gotten honest. Now you are boring again. The universe is structured the way you see it. And society is you. If you are a bad dude, you can change; otherwise, you will either be taken out or suffer till you learn.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 10:18:18 GMT -5
Exactly! Spirituality is about human life in the real world. The ancient Chinese philosophers were focused on right human conduct and condemned wrong behavior. Spirituality is about order and harmony in daily life. Ethics are consistent with no distinction between private and public life. Western spirituality is for bots.
I explained a little in the original sin post, above, partly why the west is so f****d up. Western society is basically built upon a lie, on untruth. Reality is distorted in the west, psychological reality. Why do you say that?
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 10:22:00 GMT -5
Are you the Speaker of the House? Why do you presume to speak for the world? Such arrogance lives in a politician who wields the power snatched from the hands of the meek and the weak.
You are a boatman created by thought. Everyone here, including me, is also created by thought. The boatman is the agent of evil. It is not the self. I have stated that I am free of the self. This needs correction. My time spent in conversation with folks here has been beneficial and enabled me to make a distinction between the self and the boatman. I am free of the boatman, not the self which must exist as long as the body is alive. Therefore, this conversation is between the self (me)) and you (the boatman).
Boatmen do live in the same manifest world in the Block Universe invented by science. I see that sun, it came up this morning as I sat on my front porch bathed in its light. It is not the same sun as yours because it revolves around me. I am the center of the world in which you live. You get that? You are not the center of the world in which you live. You are just one of 8 billion boatmen all swimming helplessly in a mess of a world you people have created. I spit on it. Feed the beggars of your world. Don't tell me to contribute to your evil.
Is tenka around? Take apart what I said above and debunk it if you can. I don't think the others here can.
It's nice that you have shared this. If you had shared, I've changed my perspective, that would have helped...when it occurred. satch has nailed you pretty good.How so? I want to be nailed. I have not come here to prove I am right. I have come to prove you guys are wrong.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 12:05:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry, sree cannot change how the universe is structured and cannot change how society functions. That job is taken. You're just shadow boxing sree. You have said early, then later, just the opposite, an admission. Are you changing your mind back? I thought you had gotten honest. Now you are boring again. The universe is structured the way you see it. And society is you. If you are a bad dude, you can change; otherwise, you will either be taken out or suffer till you learn.
This is nonsense.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 12:17:43 GMT -5
I explained a little in the original sin post, above, partly why the west is so f****d up. Western society is basically built upon a lie, on untruth. Reality is distorted in the west, psychological reality. Why do you say that? Western society is built upon the assumption of original sin. Augustine's concept of original sin in not based on scripture. Children should be treasured. Instead there is an unconscious bias that children are tainted with sin, even from their birth. Shame is the source of a great deal of suffering, shame from the parent or caregiver not accepting the child just they way they are. Most of it is subconscious processing, but it's there. Shame comes from not accepting the child, trying to *~*correct*~* a child which does not need correcting, just loved and accepted. I didn't know where my self-hate came from. I explored to move past it. I found a route to separate from it. In the process, years, I think I came closer to the why. It's basically in the western collective unconscious. (IMO)
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 12:28:30 GMT -5
Everything I do is for the body. I am the self, the tender of the body. I have no business giving money to beggars, a symptom of evil in society. I cannot be connected to that evil. No politics, remember? Not in here and not out there in the real world. What does an act of human kindness have to do with politics? There is something very distasteful about you as a person. sree, "There is something very distasteful about you as a person". I agree with satch.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 12:29:46 GMT -5
It's nice that you have shared this. If you had shared, I've changed my perspective, that would have helped...when it occurred. satch has nailed you pretty good.How so? I want to be nailed. I have not come here to prove I am right. I have come to prove you guys are wrong. You read it this morning. I've had numerous posts on it. See above.
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