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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 12:38:26 GMT -5
Have you ever been out to sea on a sailboat? Do you even know what it is like? I have met people who told me that they have never seen the sea. I couldn't believe it! What is the nature of such a mind?
I don't sail far from land. I get seasick. Najib is the skipper of my boat. I would tell him to get us far enough, 50 miles or so; no sight of land anywhere on the horizon, and just drift, for days or weeks before heading back to restock on supplies, fresh water and fuel. I have GPS-enabled state of the art navigation system, the kind real sailors spit on. Being free from toxic human energy is healing. Najib is ok, a simple guy who doesn't foul up that sense of silence.
I don't get seasick. Is your far vision poor? If not, then the sea sickness is a matter of where you are placing your attention as you sail when the water isn't completely still. You don't get seasick? Have you ever ridden out a storm in 60 mph gale force winds churning up 20 foot swells and 6 foot waves? I don't throw up like absicissa would the moment the boat moves away from its moorings. The sumatra squalls don't show up on weather radar and sneak up on you like the devil in the Malacca Straits. Can't outrun those suckers.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 12:51:24 GMT -5
The universe is structured the way you see it. And society is you. If you are a bad dude, you can change; otherwise, you will either be taken out or suffer till you learn.
This is nonsense. Haha. I understand where you are coming from, but I am not kidding you. Perception is reality. I have two degrees in engineering and know the nature of the Block Universe. I lived in that universe the way you do. Now, I can slip in and slip out at will. I have attained a "black belt" in spirituality, so to speak. I am the Mas Oyama of spirituality. He shocked the world when he broke bricks and killed bulls with his bare hands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 13:11:37 GMT -5
Have you ever been diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder or ASPD?
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 13:25:57 GMT -5
Have you ever been diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder or ASPD? Why do you ask me that, absicissa? ASPD is a serious mental disorder involving irresponsible criminal behavior. Have I harmed any member here?
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 13:31:10 GMT -5
How so? I want to be nailed. I have not come here to prove I am right. I have come to prove you guys are wrong. You read it this morning. I've had numerous posts on it. See above. Cite me one post. Don't be bashful. I won't be hurt. I am here to learn. If you guys can point to one misstep I made, I will chop off my leg.
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Post by sree on Aug 22, 2022 13:34:09 GMT -5
What does an act of human kindness have to do with politics? There is something very distasteful about you as a person. sree, "There is something very distasteful about you as a person". I agree with satch. Jesus was distasteful also; otherwise, they would not have crucified him. I don't agree with you and satch who nailed him 2000 years ago.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 13:58:04 GMT -5
This is just a context-word game. This is the way it use to be for me, sure, but I honestly don't think you'd understand if I tried to explain the difference with how it is now. Sorry. And the thing is, even back then, sometimes "doing the right thing" was just spontaneous, without any sort of feeling of gratification afterward. It's all a matter of degree, character and situation. Doing the right thing IS spontaneous but then again so is losing one's temper. I'm not actually disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that when we do good things we feel good even if we are doing it for no reward. We are certainly not suffering by giving a homeless person money or a hot meal. Loving kindness meditation is a spiritual practice in Buddhism. Karma yoga is a specific path of yoga which is doing service towards others without seeking a reward. Ramana Maharishi said when you do work just give it to God, not for yourself. Karma yoga compliments the other yogas of bhakti and Jnana. In the eight limbs of Patanjali's ashtanga yoga there are the ethical and moral standards of the yamas and niyamas. I reiterate, on a behavioral level these practices are Self (ish). It benefits the mind to do these good acts and kind actions thereby better preparing a calmer and happier mind for the deeper discovery of true nature. There is method and reason behind this. Of course we have to recognize the noble desires of selfishness like helping others and the desire for liberation rather than those selfish desires which have negative results. But both good and bad actions and intentions are motivated by benefiting ones own self. I think this is fairly obvious. We act to benefit ourselves in some way, either consciously or unconsciously. What is that other than selfishness? Well, no, we're not agreeing, not really. Ramana's advice is good, and far be it from me to criticize an entire school of yoga. But you're still playing a word game, people's emotions are complicated and so generalizations will always fail. If you insist on abstraction, the underlying notion is one of free will.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 13:59:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure what he means by that is his belief that it's possible for the individual to become perfected, and from what I've read from him in the past, he envisions this as some sort of God-like transcendence. I believe in transcendence from a self position also .. but what the individual constitutes is key . An individual that is imagined? An individual that is the walnut but not it's shell . What I have touched upon for a time is for peeps to talk about what the individual person represents . To some it's just an object or a dream character or some kind of Consciousness blob . It's as diverse as it can get .. That was the other thing you asked that I deliberately didn't respond to.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 14:00:53 GMT -5
What is the source of evil, if not the "Self/self"? The self is a natural phenomenon of Consciousness. Is Consciousness intrinsically evil? The self is the observer, the center of the state of awareness. It's sole, basic function is to tend to the living body.
The source of evil is the boatman, the nutjob who is preoccupied with a demented form of spirituality. And what is the source of the batman? Was it a DC comics creation?
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 14:01:44 GMT -5
The begger's hunger is something you can do something about, in immediate terms. Changing a government is, for the most part, in contrast, outside the scope of influence of most individuals, in most moments. Come on, man. You are the government. The government is not formed by insects that, by the way, have good government. There are no beggars in ant nests and bee hives. Not one of those insects have to beg for food in the hives and nests. The government of the people, for the people and by the people are formed by you mothersuckers (Definition: beggar-feeders). A convenient excuse for choosing a course of endless TMT rather than action.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 14:07:04 GMT -5
Have you ever been diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder or ASPD? Why do you ask me that, absicissa? ASPD is a serious mental disorder involving irresponsible criminal behavior. Have I harmed any member here? Because I wanted to. There doesn't have to be any criminal behaviour associated with such symptoms. You certainly consider yourself to be AntiSocial.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2022 14:08:55 GMT -5
Yes, cultural mastery was my way of putting it. I understand that you think you're referring to something else, but all these years of your strawmanning make it clear that you're just imagining what that "elimination" means, what that "death before death" means. I woke up this morning and this was nagging at me. Just to be clear, in my post above I was speaking from my perspective. I try to say often enough, my view cannot be translated into the ND view. But of course everybody can't help but read my view from their perspective, that's what I can't help. And I try to be clear when I am speaking from my perspective. So, to be clear, I wasn't speaking about what elimination means from the ND view. This is how you read it. That was not my intention. Yes, I do sometimes say: This is what ND means etc. That wasn't here. If you read my post again, it's clear I was telling what elimination means, from my perspective. But that post had a context. I only interjected myself into the dialog here because you'd written this: You cease to identify with the cultural self society has put on you. That's a kind of death. This is what everybody means by the self is illusory. It is. But the NDist stop here. They say it's OK for the manifestations of the old self to continue, the whatever still inhabits the body (zd says the Whole) just no longer ~identifies~ with that old self. sdp says as long as there are manifestations of the old self, the journey is not over. But here it gets complicated, everybody has a little different view. So sdp pretty-much stands alone, here. Cessation of identification with the cultural self is a way of describing SR objectively. It's a true statement, but incomplete. What you went on to write about residual embyro's was misconceived imagination based on your interpretation about what people have written on the topic beyond their plain statements about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 14:10:19 GMT -5
sree, "There is something very distasteful about you as a person". I agree with satch. Jesus was distasteful also; otherwise, they would not have crucified him. I don't agree with you and satch who nailed him 2000 years ago. You compare yourself to Jesus quite regularly. Is that so that you can feel the devotion your Grandmother gave to him?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 14:10:31 GMT -5
Have you ever been diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder or ASPD? sree doesn't have ASPD. He left the world by leaving the world. sdp basically left the world while in the world. Until I was about 42-45 I wasn't happy that I couldn't fit in. Almost imperceptibly, along in there, I realized I was happy not fitting in, it didn't matter. But what I don't understand, about sree, I always had compassion for people, misguided people, ordinary people. I don't understand how sree sees people basically as s**t, contaminated. This is also I'm sure what satch sees.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 22, 2022 14:14:05 GMT -5
Haha. I understand where you are coming from, but I am not kidding you. Perception is reality. I have two degrees in engineering and know the nature of the Block Universe. I lived in that universe the way you do. Now, I can slip in and slip out at will. I have attained a "black belt" in spirituality, so to speak. I am the Mas Oyama of spirituality. He shocked the world when he broke bricks and killed bulls with his bare hands.
So you are Neo, who manipulates the world?
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