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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 22:08:00 GMT -5
THIS is creating this rollercoaster. THIS itself is the experiencer. I agree Gopal, zd does not agree. That's why I say we need a 3-layer cake universe. Duality is relatively real. Duality is-not ultimately real. If ~you~ attach to the dual world, ~you~ are pulled here and here, up and down, put through the wringer, twisted, flipped, KOed. "Jesus is our example that we should follow in his steps. I think that's in 1 or 2 Peter. Jesus, the last day, the worst day maybe for anybody ever. Jesus, no rollercoaster. He "went like a lamb to slaughter". Crown of thorns on his head, they made fun of him. Nailed him to a cross. He said: Father forgive them for they know not what they do. No rollercoaster. "Jesus is our example". So even in the midst of a rollercoaster, it's possible for there to be no rollercoaster. If you had forgotten which argument you had been participating, then here it is! Jesus: Abraham longed to see my day, and he saw it. And: Before Abraham was, I Am. (Saying I Am is very significant). I am talking about Paul. You are taking verse from John. John was written at 90-120 AD.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 16, 2022 9:12:11 GMT -5
I agree Gopal, zd does not agree. That's why I say we need a 3-layer cake universe. Duality is relatively real. Duality is-not ultimately real. If ~you~ attach to the dual world, ~you~ are pulled here and here, up and down, put through the wringer, twisted, flipped, KOed. "Jesus is our example that we should follow in his steps. I think that's in 1 or 2 Peter. Jesus, the last day, the worst day maybe for anybody ever. Jesus, no rollercoaster. He "went like a lamb to slaughter". Crown of thorns on his head, they made fun of him. Nailed him to a cross. He said: Father forgive them for they know not what they do. No rollercoaster. "Jesus is our example". So even in the midst of a rollercoaster, it's possible for there to be no rollercoaster. If you had forgotten which argument you had been participating, then here it is! I am talking about Paul. You are taking verse from John. John was written at 90-120 AD. OK. My Bible is in a box somewhere, but I will consider. Saul-Paul was a Pharisee, so surely he knew the Torah pretty well. At first he opposed Christianity. People speculate he held the coats of the people who stoned Stephen, written about. So he opposed the Jesus-followers because he thought they were degrading Judaism. He was on the road to Damascus to persecute some Jesus-followers. So you could say he was at the top of the rollercoaster. So then he had this dramatic encounter, he was struck blind, he was sure he encountered Jesus. Jesus said, why are you persecuting me? So, basically, Saul-Paul was completely reoriented, completely. He saw that as he considered himself at the top of the rollercoaster, he was actually at the bottom of the rollercoaster. We could say he had a realization. He had the old information, his knowledge of the Torah, but he had to examine all that old knowledge in light of this encounter with Jesus. He went into town, he got his sight back. What did he then do? He went away to Arabia to be alone and sit and think and study and meditate. I forget how long he was there, I'm thinking 3-4 years. But there, he had inner access to coming to understand the life of Jesus in relation to the OT/Torah. Somehow, he came to understand that the Passover in Egypt, as Moses and the people were shown how to escape the Death Angel, was the story of Jesus, in advance. I'm sure you probably know the story, the sacrifice of a lamb, the blood on the door frame. So Paul came back bold, he confronted the Jesus-followers in Jerusalem I think it was, the disciples. You know the story. The disciples didn't know what to do. They finally accepted Paul. I'm sure you know the OT/Torah has pictures and types of things to come, and prophecy even. I will try to find my Bible, and sort through more. But basically, that's the big picture. Paul came to see that the life and death of Jesus was shown ahead of time in the Passover. Jesus was killed on Passover. Paul came to see that Jesus was the Passover lamb. There's two ways to look at this. Either, Jesus knew about what Paul would do in the future, and so he didn't need to explain any of this to the disciples, the fact that he himself was the Passover lamb. Or, Saul-Paul never turned from being a Pharisee, he always remained Jewish, and concocted this plan to confused the teaching of Jesus. He just figured out another way to stop these Jesus-followers. I'll be back, your tomorrow. But I do think there are other appearances in the OT that can be construed that they-were-Jesus. They are just not coming to mind. This goes back over 50 years for me. I came to have another view of Jesus, so I'm not too concerned about the fundamentalist-view-of-Jesus-as-God. And I know you are not either, that you don't have the view that Jesus was God incarnate. But Jesus did speak about himself as preexisting, he hinted at, one way in the parables. Basically, Jesus said that we can do anything he has done, that's a pretty-close quote. But (almost) nobody is doing the things Jesus did. So something has definitely gone wrong. Jesus explained all of this, in the words in red.
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Post by sree on Aug 17, 2022 9:00:36 GMT -5
Gopal says that everyone's life has been predicted and written out a long time ago, transcribed onto palm leaves, and stored somewhere. Apparently you can go there and pay some money, and you give your name and birth date and then someone goes off into the archive and fetches it for you and translates it. Reads it, if you like, because as if I recall correctly, there is an art to the interpretation. They call these 'prophecies' olas. At last that is how I remember Gopal describing the situation, he can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously this all necessiates some measure of predetermination. During my passage thru India, my ola was picked by this parrot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 12:08:40 GMT -5
If you had forgotten which argument you had been participating, then here it is! OK. My Bible is in a box somewhere, but I will consider. Saul-Paul was a Pharisee, so surely he knew the Torah pretty well. At first he opposed Christianity. People speculate he held the coats of the people who stoned Stephen, written about. So he opposed the Jesus-followers because he thought they were degrading Judaism. He was on the road to Damascus to persecute some Jesus-followers. So you could say he was at the top of the rollercoaster. So then he had this dramatic encounter, he was struck blind, he was sure he encountered Jesus. Jesus said, why are you persecuting me? So, basically, Saul-Paul was completely reoriented, completely. He saw that as he considered himself at the top of the rollercoaster, he was actually at the bottom of the rollercoaster. We could say he had a realization. He had the old information, his knowledge of the Torah, but he had to examine all that old knowledge in light of this encounter with Jesus. He went into town, he got his sight back. What did he then do? He went away to Arabia to be alone and sit and think and study and meditate. I forget how long he was there, I'm thinking 3-4 years. But there, he had inner access to coming to understand the life of Jesus in relation to the OT/Torah. Somehow, he came to understand that the Passover in Egypt, as Moses and the people were shown how to escape the Death Angel, was the story of Jesus, in advance. I'm sure you probably know the story, the sacrifice of a lamb, the blood on the door frame. So Paul came back bold, he confronted the Jesus-followers in Jerusalem I think it was, the disciples. You know the story. The disciples didn't know what to do. They finally accepted Paul. I'm sure you know the OT/Torah has pictures and types of things to come, and prophecy even. I will try to find my Bible, and sort through more. But basically, that's the big picture. Paul came to see that the life and death of Jesus was shown ahead of time in the Passover. Jesus was killed on Passover. Paul came to see that Jesus was the Passover lamb. There's two ways to look at this. Either, Jesus knew about what Paul would do in the future, and so he didn't need to explain any of this to the disciples, the fact that he himself was the Passover lamb. Or, Saul-Paul never turned from being a Pharisee, he always remained Jewish, and concocted this plan to confused the teaching of Jesus. He just figured out another way to stop these Jesus-followers. I'll be back, your tomorrow. But I do think there are other appearances in the OT that can be construed that they-were-Jesus. They are just not coming to mind. This goes back over 50 years for me. I came to have another view of Jesus, so I'm not too concerned about the fundamentalist-view-of-Jesus-as-God. And I know you are not either, that you don't have the view that Jesus was God incarnate. But Jesus did speak about himself as preexisting, he hinted at, one way in the parables. Basically, Jesus said that we can do anything he has done, that's a pretty-close quote. But (almost) nobody is doing the things Jesus did. So something has definitely gone wrong. Jesus explained all of this, in the words in red. Everything is fine, but this doesn't talk about where did Paul get the info about Jesus preexistence.
Second off, Paul received the info about Jesus from Jesus Brother. Gal 1 : 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
And you are right that Paul has shown the fact about how Jesus death and resurrection paves the way for salvation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 12:19:15 GMT -5
Gopal says that everyone's life has been predicted and written out a long time ago, transcribed onto palm leaves, and stored somewhere. Apparently you can go there and pay some money, and you give your name and birth date and then someone goes off into the archive and fetches it for you and translates it. Reads it, if you like, because as if I recall correctly, there is an art to the interpretation. They call these 'prophecies' olas. At last that is how I remember Gopal describing the situation, he can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously this all necessiates some measure of predetermination. During my passage thru India, my ola was picked by this parrot.
It's available everywhere in India, and it's not ola. It's a just a card the parrot is picking. And also nothing is written in that card. Some photos would be shown and the astrologer will tell some story according the god or goddess appears on that photo. No other big deal there.
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Post by sree on Aug 17, 2022 13:10:36 GMT -5
During my passage thru India, my ola was picked by this parrot.
It's available everywhere in India, and it's not ola. It's a just a card the parrot is picking. And also nothing is written in that card. Some photos would be shown and the astrologer will tell some story according the god or goddess appears on that photo. No other big deal there. It's a big deal, Gopal; otherwise, they won't be everywhere in India. The parrot doesn't pick the card carelessly. One time, it changed its mind after handing it to the astrologer. It shrieked and snatched the card from his hand, drop it in the pile and picked another to hand to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 14:07:45 GMT -5
It's available everywhere in India, and it's not ola. It's a just a card the parrot is picking. And also nothing is written in that card. Some photos would be shown and the astrologer will tell some story according the god or goddess appears on that photo. No other big deal there. It's a big deal, Gopal; otherwise, they won't be everywhere in India. The parrot doesn't pick the card carelessly. One time, it changed its mind after handing it to the astrologer. It shrieked and snatched the card from his hand, drop it in the pile and picked another to hand to him. There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you .
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Post by sree on Aug 17, 2022 14:13:50 GMT -5
It's a big deal, Gopal; otherwise, they won't be everywhere in India. The parrot doesn't pick the card carelessly. One time, it changed its mind after handing it to the astrologer. It shrieked and snatched the card from his hand, drop it in the pile and picked another to hand to him. There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you . Does astrology throw light on the various ways of the Infinite?
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Post by laughter on Aug 17, 2022 14:39:34 GMT -5
It's a big deal, Gopal; otherwise, they won't be everywhere in India. The parrot doesn't pick the card carelessly. One time, it changed its mind after handing it to the astrologer. It shrieked and snatched the card from his hand, drop it in the pile and picked another to hand to him. There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you . It broke my cuteness meter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 15:33:53 GMT -5
There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you . Does astrology throw light on the various ways of the Infinite? That's not what we are discussing .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 15:34:51 GMT -5
There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you . Does astrology throw light on the various ways of the Infinite? Why so?
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Post by sree on Aug 17, 2022 21:23:32 GMT -5
Does astrology throw light on the various ways of the Infinite? Why so? When both parties have distinct Nadis, the marriage match is regarded as auspicious. In India, a lasting marriage is critical. In America, not so much.
The Infinite applies to both India and America, does it not? Spirituality is universal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 23:53:32 GMT -5
There are 100s of astrologies are there like that. But the nadi astrology which I been pointing at in which your details are written and they will read you out in front of you . It broke my cuteness meter. Why so?
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Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2022 3:52:10 GMT -5
It broke my cuteness meter. Why so? oh, that's a joke, you know. I expected to laugh at the guy before I played the vid. I didn't do that, even though it was really fun to watch. Animals have certain intuitions that escape us. Sometimes it really is like they can tell the future, like when a storm is coming. I'm sure the scientists think they know why. The guy's connection to the parrot is quite apparent, and rather poignant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 3:53:49 GMT -5
oh, that's a joke, you know. I expected to laugh at the guy before I played the vid. I didn't do that, even though it was really fun to watch. Animals have certain intuitions that escape us. Sometimes it really is like they can tell the future, like when a storm is coming. I'm sure the scientists think they know why. The guy's connection to the parrot is quite apparent, and rather poignant. That astrology is not true at all. They simply utter the word. I know of them.
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