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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 20:57:57 GMT -5
Ah, those darn vasanas again! I hate that. Once you think you're done, another vasana comes along. Yea, well, satch is right. There are few Bodhisattvas who are done, yet choose to incarnate again to free all sentient beings. I'm talking about those who are done. Just because the sage is free of vasanas that doesn't mean they stop acting in the world. Some sages are predisposed to being reclusive, others are very engaged in the community. This is all determined by their previous conditioning which remains with them as a personality. Ramana was predisposed with vasanas that favored him being a guide or teacher.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 13, 2022 22:54:58 GMT -5
Yea, well, satch is right. There are few Bodhisattvas who are done, yet choose to incarnate again to free all sentient beings. I'm talking about those who are done. Just because the sage is free of vasanas that doesn't mean they stop acting in the world. Some sages are predisposed to being reclusive, others are very engaged in the community. This is all determined by their previous conditioning which remains with them as a personality. Ramana was predisposed with vasanas that favored him being a guide or teacher. No one suggested something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 10:21:18 GMT -5
This argument does not fit for you pilgrims, let us argue about bible. You discontinued that day, may be we could continue that. But this argument does not suite for you. A yes or a no would have been good. I will try to consider another OT ~Jesus~ appearance. Paul clearly believes the preexistence of Jesus. But not sure what verse of the OT makes him to believe that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 10:22:40 GMT -5
Entire life is roller-coaster, it wouldn't go away. The ups and down continue to be in everyone's life. But how much it goes up and down that depends upon the clarity of the person. How can there be a person riding a roller coaster is there is no person? Find out what is reading these words, and then let us know if THAT is riding a roller coaster. Will it be okay If I had said 'It depends upon the clarity of the individual'?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 15, 2022 10:44:12 GMT -5
How can there be a person riding a roller coaster is there is no person? Find out what is reading these words, and then let us know if THAT is riding a roller coaster. Will it be okay If I had said 'It depends upon the clarity of the individual'? That sounds good to me. No clarity=roller coaster. Clarity=no roller coaster
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5
Will it be okay If I had said 'It depends upon the clarity of the individual'? That sounds good to me. No clarity=roller coaster. Clarity=no roller coaster How would I make you understand the fact that no one has the power to escape the roller-coaster of the life?
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Post by zendancer on Aug 15, 2022 11:21:35 GMT -5
That sounds good to me. No clarity=roller coaster. Clarity=no roller coaster How would I make you understand the fact that no one has the power to escape the roller-coaster of the life? I prefer to leave all such speculation, ideas, and beliefs to other people. In short, the habit of incessant thought perpetuates the sense of division and separation. In order to apprehend what the word "THIS" or "Self" or "God" points to, abstract thought is more of a hindrance than a help. The idea of a roller coaster is imaginary, as well as the idea that there is anyone who might ride such a roller coaster. If the intellect becomes quiescent, all such ideas cease, and all that remains is the living truth which cannot be captured or expressed in words.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 11:55:55 GMT -5
A yes or a no would have been good. I will try to consider another OT ~Jesus~ appearance. Paul clearly believes the preexistence of Jesus. But not sure what verse of the OT makes him to believe that. Jesus: Abraham longed to see my day, and he saw it. And: Before Abraham was, I Am. (Saying I Am is very significant).
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 12:05:50 GMT -5
That sounds good to me. No clarity=roller coaster. Clarity=no roller coaster How would I make you understand the fact that no one has the power to escape the roller-coaster of the life? I read zd's reply. The rollercoaster belongs to the world of duality. Does up and down matter, ultimately? There is a ~place~ in Gopal where there is no up and down. To ~find~ that ~place~, you have to escape your logic-maze. It's up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 12:15:04 GMT -5
Paul clearly believes the preexistence of Jesus. But not sure what verse of the OT makes him to believe that. Jesus: Abraham longed to see my day, and he saw it. And: Before Abraham was, I Am. (Saying I Am is very significant). I am talking about Paul. You are taking verse from John. John was written at 90-120 AD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 12:16:22 GMT -5
How would I make you understand the fact that no one has the power to escape the roller-coaster of the life? I prefer to leave all such speculation, ideas, and beliefs to other people. In short, the habit of incessant thought perpetuates the sense of division and separation. In order to apprehend what the word "THIS" or "Self" or "God" points to, abstract thought is more of a hindrance than a help. The idea of a roller coaster is imaginary, as well as the idea that there is anyone who might ride such a roller coaster. If the intellect becomes quiescent, all such ideas cease, and all that remains is the living truth which cannot be captured or expressed in words. THIS is creating this rollercoaster. THIS itself is the experiencer.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 12:32:51 GMT -5
I prefer to leave all such speculation, ideas, and beliefs to other people. In short, the habit of incessant thought perpetuates the sense of division and separation. In order to apprehend what the word "THIS" or "Self" or "God" points to, abstract thought is more of a hindrance than a help. The idea of a roller coaster is imaginary, as well as the idea that there is anyone who might ride such a roller coaster. If the intellect becomes quiescent, all such ideas cease, and all that remains is the living truth which cannot be captured or expressed in words. THIS is creating this rollercoaster. THIS itself is the experiencer. I agree Gopal, zd does not agree. That's why I say we need a 3-layer cake universe. Duality is relatively real. Duality is-not ultimately real. If ~you~ attach to the dual world, ~you~ are pulled here and here, up and down, put through the wringer, twisted, flipped, KOed. "Jesus is our example that we should follow in his steps. I think that's in 1 or 2 Peter. Jesus, the last day, the worst day maybe for anybody ever. Jesus, no rollercoaster. He "went like a lamb to slaughter". Crown of thorns on his head, they made fun of him. Nailed him to a cross. He said: Father forgive them for they know not what they do. No rollercoaster. "Jesus is our example". So even in the midst of a rollercoaster, it's possible for there to be no rollercoaster.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 15, 2022 13:18:29 GMT -5
How would I make you understand the fact that no one has the power to escape the roller-coaster of the life? I read zd's reply. The rollercoaster belongs to the world of duality. Does up and down matter, ultimately? There is a ~place~ in Gopal where there is no up and down. To ~find~ that ~place~, you have to escape your logic-maze. It's up to you. It's up to THIS, but otherwise correct.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 15, 2022 13:20:15 GMT -5
THIS is creating this rollercoaster. THIS itself is the experiencer. I agree Gopal, zd does not agree. That's why I say we need a 3-layer cake universe. Duality is relatively real. Duality is-not ultimately real. If ~you~ attach to the dual world, ~you~ are pulled here and here, up and down, put through the wringer, twisted, flipped, KOed. "Jesus is our example that we should follow in his steps. I think that's in 1 or 2 Peter. Jesus, the last day, the worst day maybe for anybody ever. Jesus, no rollercoaster. He "went like a lamb to slaughter". Crown of thorns on his head, they made fun of him. Nailed him to a cross. He said: Father forgive them for they know not what they do. No rollercoaster. "Jesus is our example". So even in the midst of a rollercoaster, it's possible for there to be no rollercoaster. Correct. It's imaginary.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2022 13:39:50 GMT -5
I read zd's reply. The rollercoaster belongs to the world of duality. Does up and down matter, ultimately? There is a ~place~ in Gopal where there is no up and down. To ~find~ that ~place~, you have to escape your logic-maze. It's up to you. It's up to THIS, but otherwise correct. The following is not to argue, just to give my view. There is an in-between-world. Oneness, imaginary-duality. In-between is essence. Essence is the individuation, the possible individuation. Oneness-essence-duality. Essence is in no way a SVP, but it is a not-imaginary something else (our word). That's why I said, it's up to you. Should have said, It's up to ~you~. Essence is the statue already-in-the-stone, which Michelangelo said is there, he just has to chip away what doesn't belong. I know we will never agree on this. But this is why "Gopal" plays a part. The only part Gopal plays is to just be still, to quit interfering. To be silent. To submit. An almost impossible job. The only doing, is not-doing. The 'statue' is always there. www.brainyquote.com/quotes/michelangelo_386296
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