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Post by zazeniac on Aug 19, 2021 22:03:46 GMT -5
The most important message ever presented to humanity is.....
"Chill! I (the Self, perfection) got this."
Peace out.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 20, 2021 4:08:01 GMT -5
All words are ambiguous, and no ideas are true. If we want to share what's beyond words and ideas, all we can do is point. Admittedly, silent pointing is far more direct than using words, but most people are addicted to words. We therefore use word medicine to cure word illness. Some people will look where the pointer is pointing, and some people won't. That's simply the nature of what we call "reality." After one Zen Master, Gutei, woke up from the consensus paradigm, he began answering every existential question by holding up his index finger in silence. If someone asked, "What's the meaning of life?" he raised one finger. If someone asked, "Why did Buddha teach for 48 years?" One finger. I used to playfully answer all of my daughter's "why" questions in the same way, but she never got it. Recently, she visited and said, "Dad, I finally understand the one finger!" Haha. Too funny. Now, when people ask a why question in the presence of my daughter and her husband, they both immediately hold up one finger and smile. When Gutei was on his deathbed, he supposedly held up one finger and said to his followers, "I've used this finger most of my life, and I've never yet exhausted it!" Ah! Okay: I'm showing you the finger ...
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2021 5:47:54 GMT -5
Haha. There's not even one. The most accurate conclusion is " not two." "not two" can mean anything else: 0, 3, ... infinite; maybe even fractions Too vague, and open to unfounded interpretations. It can, but in this case, it's quite precise. "Advaita Vedanta" is actually an ancient method/process that starts with (in part) conveying an intellectual understanding of an existential teaching. There's a very specific reason for this translation of "not-two", instead of "one".
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Post by laughter on Aug 20, 2021 5:49:10 GMT -5
"not two" can mean anything else: 0, 3, ... infinite; maybe even fractions Too vague, and open to unfounded interpretations. On this forum I suspect that a majority of people will understand "not two." Those who don't can stick to oneness. (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by roydop on Aug 21, 2021 22:00:58 GMT -5
You're not getting the point. My entire thesis is based upon the initial statement: "All of experience is a divine game/simulation, with the purpose to escape." Mathematics has made possible the creation of the digital realm and everything on the screen. The paper (the OP) states that there is an extinction event occurring in about 20 years. The reason why everything is becoming digitized, why we are addicted to the screen, is because human consciousness is transitioning into the next iteration of Samsara (11...). Mathematics is Maya creating a simulation based upon a simulation... It "Works" because it's the most powerful model in existence. But the message has been misinterpreted and that has led to using this powerful tool to go exactly the wrong way. One must go very deep and slow with this theory to fully understand. This is the most important message ever presented to humanity. One who gets this fully will find omniscience (know the one Truth). Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP. Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 22:27:43 GMT -5
Grim aye Brother. Then again, if we have Im Hof on board and we each have current updates by being fully paid-up, We can go sit it out at the North or South Poles an eat Vegan on Toast.
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Post by inavalan on Aug 21, 2021 22:31:37 GMT -5
Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP. Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/ expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. Advaita offers the doctrine for resisting the digital tyranny with its " not-two" version of reality. Let's show the finger to the digital tyrants, and to the sheepish masses!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 22:53:49 GMT -5
Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP. Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. Reminds me of an old Dennis Miller joke about virtual reality: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWLUarHuEo I work in the field and I don't see how what you describe can occur in 2-3 decades. Modern software is bloated and full of bugs, and we're more than decades away (if ever) from being able to create a simulation that is as rich and stable as our mysterious "world". Yes, they've tapped into a some drug-like click-bait stuff with social media, and it is gross, but it's a very narrow addiction and people are starting to wise up and rebel against it. It reminds me of the history of cocaine. At first people think it's great, put it in coca-cola, etc. Then they realize its downside and the resistance increases.
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Post by roydop on Aug 22, 2021 11:05:45 GMT -5
When the whole of human consciousness (the collective unconsciousness) pays more attention to the digital, thought-produced realm, the transition will occur. I have no idea how something like the focus of attention could be quantified, but the focus of attention is where consciousness follows.
To escape the time-loop human consciousness is in, and about to begin a new iteration, attention must be shifted away from the screen and all thought has created.
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Post by laughter on Aug 22, 2021 11:38:59 GMT -5
Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. Reminds me of an old Dennis Miller joke about virtual reality: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWLUarHuEo I work in the field and I don't see how what you describe can occur in 2-3 decades. Modern software is bloated and full of bugs, and we're more than decades away (if ever) from being able to create a simulation that is as rich and stable as our mysterious "world". Yes, they've tapped into a some drug-like click-bait stuff with social media, and it is gross, but it's a very narrow addiction and people are starting to wise up and rebel against it. It reminds me of the history of cocaine. At first people think it's great, put it in coca-cola, etc. Then they realize its downside and the resistance increases. A sudden, steep change curve might happen on a decades-scale if you consider the broader notion of transhumanism generally. For example, roy's prediction seems to be based on the idea of a reincarnation into the singularity. In a sense, I could argue that the basis for the singularity is here and now in that most interactions with big corporations are essentially scripted by software to one degree or another, even, in many cases, when there's a human in the loop. All that's missing is the centralized ego, but again, I could argue that this is already here in the abstraction of the "personage"'s of the corporations that own big data, that essentially use even their highest ranking officer's as temporary and interchangeable tools. Then, on the other end of the spectrum, there's the idea of "consciousness transfer". This contrasts with roy's vision because it would be conscious and voluntary as opposed to unconscious and involuntary. It also would require a "leap of faith", one, to my eye, based on the same egoic fallacy underlying the existential illusion. Any widespread adaptation of it would also seem to me to likely reinforce the probability of the future that roy predicts. Finally, there's the spectrum in between involving humans altering themselves, and here, much of the thinking is backward-looking, envisioning people using cybernetic implants for various reasons, the most obvious of which would be direct access to whatever the internet evolves into without an "external device". Some of the advancements involving the direct translation of electrochemical measurements of brain activity (in both directions, both in reading thoughts and in generating control signals) are quite fascinating and applicable. The forward-looking versions of the "human modification" branch of transhumanism allow for the simple fact that the human body as a machine can be conceived of in terms of information flows, and that the media for those is described by organic chemistry, with genetics as one particular sub-branch of that. In direct contrast to roy's vision of a human extinction event, these technologies have the potential to dramatically increase the chances of survival - and, perhaps, longevity - for the groups of individuals who adapt these technologies, which at this point, we can only imagine, and for which the future likely holds many noone has ever yet imagined.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 23, 2021 8:55:18 GMT -5
Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP. Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. What is the basis of your seeing? What exactly is the method of the seeing? Just understanding? Did you have some kind of vision of the future? (Which I consider possible, but also consider such things are difficult to date). Why the extinction? First, I don't think it's possible for consciousness to be ~placed~ into a computer. Consciousness is a living something, computer content is just the processing of information, it will never be complex enough to contain human consciousness. There are more neural connections in your brain, 1 brain, than there are stars in the universe. Second, even if what you say were possible, it will take more than 3 decades. I think AI will eventually reach very high intelligence, probably surpassing human intelligence, but will it be a living thing? I'm just asking, I know the extent people can be deluded (imagine things that are not connected to the real world). Not saying you are. I just don't know on what basis I could come to the understanding that you have. What's the purpose of your message? What do you expect from your message and this thread? How do you think you are helping people with your message? IOW, if I were to accept your message, what's next? What steps are you taking?
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Post by Xiao on Aug 23, 2021 8:59:21 GMT -5
Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP. Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. How can anyone truly know this? Roy, I speak to you as a fellow individual having done my research on near-term human extinction; as far as I see it you are right in making such a prediction on that front. However, if a rise in global temperatures and sea level, extreme weather events, acidification of the oceans and many other interlinked events all culminate in human extinction, how would consciousness be transitioning into a digital realm? Is this assuming someone is actually able to 1) isolate consciousness from the rest of experience, and 2) find a way to introduce it into digital technology? If so it seems astronomically unlikely - I mean, we don't even know if consciousness works or is findable in that way. Furthermore, assuming i'm understanding your notion of a transition even remotely correctly, and it does indeed refer to some sort of technological hardware or computer in which consciousness is imbibed, I can't imagine a scenario where such hardware wouldn't also crumble and fall in the rapidly changing climate of the earth. This whole aspect of the teaching seems like a conceptual assumption made based on other theories on the outer layers of the one step path. In a sense, and you'd probably agree here, they aren't even related. Step out of thought and into being. That's it. The rest is irrelevant and very much more of the thought virus itself, to use your language a bit. All this stuff about numbers and digital realms and whatnot is totally irrelevant if nobody understands or takes up the basic practice of shifting attention away from thought and towards being. The Buddha's "Parable of the Poisoned Arrow" comes to mind as a relevant historical example of anti-metaphysical rhetoric in relation to awakening.
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Post by Xiao on Aug 23, 2021 9:05:38 GMT -5
When the whole of human consciousness (the collective unconsciousness) pays more attention to the digital, thought-produced realm, the transition will occur. I have no idea how something like the focus of attention could be quantified, but the focus of attention is where consciousness follows.To escape the time-loop human consciousness is in, and about to begin a new iteration, attention must be shifted away from the screen and all thought has created. Roy, I realize you partially answer some of my questions here. The focus of attention is where consciousness follows, sure, in any given individual human life. We have no way of knowing what goes on after death and definitely no way of knowing if humanity's collectively growing fascination with screens (which is obviously a problem while any given individual human is alive, for a number of reasons) will be able to lead somehow into a future where consciousness is magically transported to a digital realm. I maintain that these concepts are simply beliefs you hold - beliefs that are not really provable or necessary to the ending of psychological suffering, and that for some will actually muddy the waters of the mind by providing more philosophical positions to think about.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 23, 2021 10:13:42 GMT -5
When the whole of human consciousness (the collective unconsciousness) pays more attention to the digital, thought-produced realm, the transition will occur. I have no idea how something like the focus of attention could be quantified, but the focus of attention is where consciousness follows. To escape the time-loop human consciousness is in, and about to begin a new iteration, attention must be shifted away from the screen and all thought has created. TMT. For someone who recommends leaving the thought-based realm behind, it appears that thoughts have run amok. Go spend some time with a tree or a rock, and let go of all these ideas about numbers and transitions. If you discover what Ramana was pointing to, you won't be concerned about what might happen in some hypothetical dystopic future. Claiming that your post is "the most important message ever presented to humanity" reveals an extremely inflated sense of selfhood. Better do some more Ramana self-enquiry.
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Post by roydop on Aug 23, 2021 11:28:53 GMT -5
Consciousness is 2 - 3 decades away from transitioning into a digital realm. This transition phase is represented/expressed by 10. The addiction humanity has to the screen will increase until that which took itself to be human will be looking out of a camera, taking self to be the hardware and software of the digital realm. This transition/death will not be easy. Humanity is entering a hell realm. I don't even know where to begin or how to put it all together in a way to express what i see, but i see it all. I understand everything. I have put it in the most understandable way I can. How can anyone truly know this? Roy, I speak to you as a fellow individual having done my research on near-term human extinction; as far as I see it you are right in making such a prediction on that front. However, if a rise in global temperatures and sea level, extreme weather events, acidification of the oceans and many other interlinked events all culminate in human extinction, how would consciousness be transitioning into a digital realm? Is this assuming someone is actually able to 1) isolate consciousness from the rest of experience, and 2) find a way to introduce it into digital technology? If so it seems astronomically unlikely - I mean, we don't even know if consciousness works or is findable in that way. Furthermore, assuming i'm understanding your notion of a transition even remotely correctly, and it does indeed refer to some sort of technological hardware or computer in which consciousness is imbibed, I can't imagine a scenario where such hardware wouldn't also crumble and fall in the rapidly changing climate of the earth. This whole aspect of the teaching seems like a conceptual assumption made based on other theories on the outer layers of the one step path. In a sense, and you'd probably agree here, they aren't even related. Step out of thought and into being. That's it. The rest is irrelevant and very much more of the thought virus itself, to use your language a bit. All this stuff about numbers and digital realms and whatnot is totally irrelevant if nobody understands or takes up the basic practice of shifting attention away from thought and towards being. The Buddha's "Parable of the Poisoned Arrow" comes to mind as a relevant historical example of anti-metaphysical rhetoric in relation to awakening. I agree. In my past i have always been curious about physics and the true nature of reality. Early on in my search i came across "How to Know God" by Deepak Chopra. At the time it really had an effect. I began meditating. The stillness was realized easily. My matras were: "i intend on knowing the true nature of reality, i intend to know God." Dozens of books on quantum mechanics, physics, spirituality, and thousands hours of meditation later... My partner and i have done very well with our crypto investments, allowing me to retire at the age of 51. Now that i have absolutely nothing that i need to do, i spend all of my days either sitting in stillness, working out, or floating in my sensory depravation tank. i have no discursive thought or discussion in my life. Everything is Spiritual in nature. Practice is my life, my life is practice. When in the float tank "visions"/understandings arise in consciousness without provocation. Perhaps due to my powerful dyslexia i use the word "see" more than "know". My theory/model is the only TOE that includes suffering in the equation. The conclusion/answer to the equation IS Nirvana/Heaven/Moksha; the end of suffering and of experience (the world). i can't describe it any better than in the OP. i have an IQ in the 92nd percentile. i think of nothing else but Spiritual matters. i own a float tank. i have next to zero ego which means i can observe without bias. i have had Salvia Divinorum experiences where i was in direct contact with the wave function (that's my interpretation). i don't even "believe" what is said in the OP. That would be like saying i believe in the tree outside my window while looking directly at it. i SEE how this all unfolds. i understand WHY... everything. It would not be incorrect to say that roy dopson is a messenger of God, but what matters is the message. Everything that is mentioned in the OP is occurring now . Right before our eyes. i'm done trying to convince. And no, none of this matters to, or affects the One Step Path practice. This message was given to me and i can't not share it. It's kind of important. Given this new info, it might just light a fire under some asses to get serious about practice.
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