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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 17, 2021 15:34:42 GMT -5
" I am adamant that the the voice in your head is physical. Is your brain physical? Thoughts arise from neural connection in the brain. All conceptual activity is based on a tiny gap between neurons, the synapse. Electrical activity activates a neural transmitter which crosses the synaptic gap. If enough electrical activity causes enough of these synapses to pass on the message, thoughts occur. Thoughts are definitely physical." This is nuts. Show me a thought. Is it outside of my body? What initiates the "Electrical activity activates a neural transmitter which crosses the synaptic gap."? Nothing from the "external" world. One may say that the electrical activity activated by a physical object produces the experience of that object, but a thought has no external activating agent. The brain may be the interface between the thought and physical realms but that does not necessitate a causal relationship. Thoughts are not physical. This is self-evident. No video but this is what I was looking for. The title is a bit deceptive. If you read a short way down into the article an AI is able to create an image of what one is thinking with 99% accuracy. Pictures are given at the very beginning of the article of what the subject is seeing (either actually seeing or merely visualizing, both work) and the recreation by the AI. The subject is in an MRI machine and the AI system can duplicate, from the MRI images, what the subject is seeing (or imagining). That one is a copy of the other is obvious. This shows thoughts are physical (how would an AI copy something nonphysical?). onezero.medium.com/computers-will-be-able-to-read-images-from-your-brain-within-a-decade-be62015891ef
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 21:25:24 GMT -5
The point is that we are taught that numbers relate to/are expressing the physical realm via counting. This is an incorrect interpretation of the information presented by the number system. The information presented by the number system relates to/is expressing SERIES. Series is operational system on which biological evolution operates. The number system is a model/map of the evolution of consciousness. It has nothing to do with quantity. Humanity is at the 10. Human consciousness is being controlled via thought to create the technology that is constructing the next iteration of Samsara, which is 11. This is the digital realm which is a redundancy of this current simulation/iteration. People really should dive deeply into the OP with an open mind and try to see what is being related rather than trying to shoe horn it into their own model. Drop everything you have been taught about numbers and math. All of mathematics is based upon the initial incorrect interpretation of the message presented by the number system. The convoluted mess that is the definition of 10, in conjunction with the 360 pages required in Mathematica Principia to "prove" that 1+1=2 are glaring indications that something is being shoe-horned/forced to "make sense." This is a big deal. It doesn't get any bigger. ALL OF MATHEMATICS IS WRONG. It's wrong in that it is leading consciousness exactly, 180 degrees AWAY from Truth/Reality, not closer to it. Yes it "works", but the fundamental purpose of mathematics is to simply churn out thought in order to have something relative from which to derive the ego. Mathematics is a completely abstract realm where consciousness goes to reaffirm "I think, therefore I am." and nothing else. I really like what you've written here to the extent you're using intellect to arrive at how intellect has deceived the one using it. In existential terms, it's the only worthwhile use of mind, beyond which is the advice to turn to silence of one form or another. Noice One Laughter.
With the arousal of Mind and associated highs and lows,
all Numbers add upto Nothing in Zen.
Numbers are a product of a mind at work.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 17, 2021 22:35:17 GMT -5
He's mistaking numbers themselves with the symbols for the numbers. In hexidecimal (base-16), 10 is written as simply "A", so he wouldn't have a problem until he got to 14,15, 16 which in hex is spelt: E,F, 10. You have base-two-million if you wanted. Not practical for humans. Maybe with a writing system like those aliens in Arrival. There's probably no reason to get into math if one isn't naturally drawn to it, but for what it's worth, Franklin Merrell-Wolff thought it was part of his path to non-duality. It seems he was an odd-ball. It is a weird and interesting question whether or how a mathematical object "exists". Eg: a number, a circle, a function, etc. The point is that we are taught that numbers relate to/are expressing the physical realm via counting. This is an incorrect interpretation of the information presented by the number system. The information presented by the number system relates to/is expressing SERIES. Series is operational system on which biological evolution operates. The number system is a model/map of the evolution of consciousness. It has nothing to do with quantity. Humanity is at the 10. Human consciousness is being controlled via thought to create the technology that is constructing the next iteration of Samsara, which is 11. This is the digital realm which is a redundancy of this current simulation/iteration. People really should dive deeply into the OP with an open mind and try to see what is being related rather than trying to shoe horn it into their own model. Drop everything you have been taught about numbers and math. All of mathematics is based upon the initial incorrect interpretation of the message presented by the number system. The convoluted mess that is the definition of 10, in conjunction with the 360 pages required in Mathematica Principia to "prove" that 1+1=2 are glaring indications that something is being shoe-horned/forced to "make sense." This is a big deal. It doesn't get any bigger. ALL OF MATHEMATICS IS WRONG. It's wrong in that it is leading consciousness exactly, 180 degrees AWAY from Truth/Reality, not closer to it. Yes it "works", but the fundamental purpose of mathematics is to simply churn out thought in order to have something relative from which to derive the ego. Mathematics is a completely abstract realm where consciousness goes to reaffirm "I think, therefore I am." and nothing else. On 60 Minutes last Sunday there was a repeat of a program about autonomous trucks, 18 wheelers. Trunks are driving themselves, right now there are witness drivers, drivers just there. By the end of 2020 there will be trucks driving themselves. This is going to eventually put 300,000 truck drivers out of a job (but right now there is a shortage of truck drivers). Einsteins Relativity has to enter into the GPS calculations for this. Saying all that to say you can't say all mathematics is wrong.
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Post by inavalan on Aug 18, 2021 0:25:59 GMT -5
The point is that we are taught that numbers relate to/are expressing the physical realm via counting. This is an incorrect interpretation of the information presented by the number system. The information presented by the number system relates to/is expressing SERIES. Series is operational system on which biological evolution operates. The number system is a model/map of the evolution of consciousness. It has nothing to do with quantity. Humanity is at the 10. Human consciousness is being controlled via thought to create the technology that is constructing the next iteration of Samsara, which is 11. This is the digital realm which is a redundancy of this current simulation/iteration. People really should dive deeply into the OP with an open mind and try to see what is being related rather than trying to shoe horn it into their own model. Drop everything you have been taught about numbers and math. All of mathematics is based upon the initial incorrect interpretation of the message presented by the number system. The convoluted mess that is the definition of 10, in conjunction with the 360 pages required in Mathematica Principia to "prove" that 1+1=2 are glaring indications that something is being shoe-horned/forced to "make sense." This is a big deal. It doesn't get any bigger. ALL OF MATHEMATICS IS WRONG. It's wrong in that it is leading consciousness exactly, 180 degrees AWAY from Truth/Reality, not closer to it. Yes it "works", but the fundamental purpose of mathematics is to simply churn out thought in order to have something relative from which to derive the ego. Mathematics is a completely abstract realm where consciousness goes to reaffirm "I think, therefore I am." and nothing else. On 60 Minutes last Sunday there was a repeat of a program about autonomous trucks, 18 wheelers. Trunks are driving themselves, right now there are witness drivers, drivers just there. By the end of 2020 there will be trucks driving themselves. This is going to eventually put 300,000 truck drivers out of a job (but right now there is a shortage of truck drivers). Einsteins Relativity has to enter into the GPS calculations for this. Saying all that to say you can't say all mathematics is wrong. I guess in non-duality there is no "1+1=2", nor even "1+". There is only "1'". I think it's nice that you're so passionate of more objective sciences, like mathematics and physics. I'm not that much interested in sciences anymore.
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Post by inavalan on Aug 18, 2021 1:31:13 GMT -5
Ramana knew who he was, so he always knew what he had to do, and he never had any doubts about that. The only people who have doubts are those who don't yet realize who they are. If someone asked me, "Why are you doing what you are doing?" I'd have to laugh and reply, "Because I have to; because I have to." Of course, holding up one finger in silence would be an equivalent answer. It is my impression that one characteristic of, and attraction to "this" (I call it "religion", but people might vehemently disagree) is that anybody, at any moment can become "self-realized", become the "it", no matter if you are an uneducated teenager, the stupid of the village, or such. It's interesting that people with pretensions of education, intelligence, culture are attracted to "this". Maybe it isn't surprising because it arises (I believe) from a lack of satisfaction with the reality they experienced so far, and intelligence isn't enough. There is also the attraction experienced by those who attained a certain level of intelligence toward the next level: intuition. It is Western civilizations' left brain perception of life, toward the Far Eastern civilizations' right brain perception of life. This doesn't mean that it is the best path. Maybe, it would help to do as Da Vinci did, start writing right-to-left ... (?) In the above post I used "pretensions of ..." with the first meaning described below, which caused some misunderstanding. "Pretension" ... from M-W: <serious pretensions as a writer> Here "pretension" is a synonym for "aspiration", "hope" or "claim". ... from M-W: <a quality of pretension and pseudoculture about the program that I found distasteful -- Here "pretension" is a synonym for "pretentiousness" or "vanity". Just in case ...
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Post by zendancer on Aug 18, 2021 6:07:23 GMT -5
On 60 Minutes last Sunday there was a repeat of a program about autonomous trucks, 18 wheelers. Trunks are driving themselves, right now there are witness drivers, drivers just there. By the end of 2020 there will be trucks driving themselves. This is going to eventually put 300,000 truck drivers out of a job (but right now there is a shortage of truck drivers). Einsteins Relativity has to enter into the GPS calculations for this. Saying all that to say you can't say all mathematics is wrong. I guess in non-duality there is no "1+1=2", nor even "1+". There is only "1'". Haha. There's not even one. The most accurate conclusion is "not two."
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Post by zendancer on Aug 18, 2021 6:14:54 GMT -5
The absolute includes the relative, but the relative does not include the absolute. First, find the absolute, and then see if anything relative remains. Yes, humans practice all kinds of activities as they search for the truth because the illusion of separateness is what drives the search, but after separateness is seen through, who, or what, would need to practice anything? Re-writing the scene from "Catcher in the Rye," it would be like "God needing to practice being God to become God." FWIW, ND does NOT "make all things equal;" ND is seeing through illusions such as thingness or equality. Attainment, verticality, levels, exit strategy, and all other ideas laughingly vanish when the cosmic joke is finally realized. I've been saying this for 12 years and you have always disagreed. This is panentheism (which you have always disagreed with). I suspect that the pointer was misinterpreted. I'll try to do better in the future.
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Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2021 14:05:39 GMT -5
I've been saying this for 12 years and you have always disagreed. This is panentheism (which you have always disagreed with). I suspect that the pointer was misinterpreted. I'll try to do better in the future. funny one. .. I never recognize any of 'dusty's descriptions of the supposed forum consensus or of what "nondualists" think when he writes them, but I've long given up mentioning that to 'em.
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Post by inavalan on Aug 19, 2021 13:48:36 GMT -5
I guess in non-duality there is no "1+1=2", nor even "1+". There is only "1'". Haha. There's not even one. The most accurate conclusion is " not two." "not two" can mean anything else: 0, 3, ... infinite; maybe even fractions Too vague, and open to unfounded interpretations.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 19, 2021 13:58:33 GMT -5
Haha. There's not even one. The most accurate conclusion is " not two." "not two" can mean anything else: 0, 3, ... infinite; maybe even fractions Too vague, and open to unfounded interpretations. On this forum I suspect that a majority of people will understand "not two." Those who don't can stick to oneness.
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Post by inavalan on Aug 19, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5
"not two" can mean anything else: 0, 3, ... infinite; maybe even fractions Too vague, and open to unfounded interpretations. On this forum I suspect that a majority of people will understand "not two." Those who don't can stick to oneness. As I wrote: words matter. Using ambiguous terms is misleading, because people own them, build on them, get carried away. There should be a responsibility not to mislead ignorant people.
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Post by roydop on Aug 19, 2021 15:42:41 GMT -5
The point is that we are taught that numbers relate to/are expressing the physical realm via counting. This is an incorrect interpretation of the information presented by the number system. The information presented by the number system relates to/is expressing SERIES. Series is operational system on which biological evolution operates. The number system is a model/map of the evolution of consciousness. It has nothing to do with quantity. Humanity is at the 10. Human consciousness is being controlled via thought to create the technology that is constructing the next iteration of Samsara, which is 11. This is the digital realm which is a redundancy of this current simulation/iteration. People really should dive deeply into the OP with an open mind and try to see what is being related rather than trying to shoe horn it into their own model. Drop everything you have been taught about numbers and math. All of mathematics is based upon the initial incorrect interpretation of the message presented by the number system. The convoluted mess that is the definition of 10, in conjunction with the 360 pages required in Mathematica Principia to "prove" that 1+1=2 are glaring indications that something is being shoe-horned/forced to "make sense." This is a big deal. It doesn't get any bigger. ALL OF MATHEMATICS IS WRONG. It's wrong in that it is leading consciousness exactly, 180 degrees AWAY from Truth/Reality, not closer to it. Yes it "works", but the fundamental purpose of mathematics is to simply churn out thought in order to have something relative from which to derive the ego. Mathematics is a completely abstract realm where consciousness goes to reaffirm "I think, therefore I am." and nothing else. On 60 Minutes last Sunday there was a repeat of a program about autonomous trucks, 18 wheelers. Trunks are driving themselves, right now there are witness drivers, drivers just there. By the end of 2020 there will be trucks driving themselves. This is going to eventually put 300,000 truck drivers out of a job (but right now there is a shortage of truck drivers). Einsteins Relativity has to enter into the GPS calculations for this. Saying all that to say you can't say all mathematics is wrong. You're not getting the point. My entire thesis is based upon the initial statement: "All of experience is a divine game/simulation, with the purpose to escape." Mathematics has made possible the creation of the digital realm and everything on the screen. The paper (the OP) states that there is an extinction event occurring in about 20 years. The reason why everything is becoming digitized, why we are addicted to the screen, is because human consciousness is transitioning into the next iteration of Samsara (11...). Mathematics is Maya creating a simulation based upon a simulation... It "Works" because it's the most powerful model in existence. But the message has been misinterpreted and that has led to using this powerful tool to go exactly the wrong way. One must go very deep and slow with this theory to fully understand. This is the most important message ever presented to humanity. One who gets this fully will find omniscience (know the one Truth).
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Post by zendancer on Aug 19, 2021 16:25:32 GMT -5
On this forum I suspect that a majority of people will understand "not two." Those who don't can stick to oneness. As I wrote: words matter. Using ambiguous terms is misleading, because people own them, build on them, get carried away. There should be a responsibility not to mislead ignorant people. All words are ambiguous, and no ideas are true. If we want to share what's beyond words and ideas, all we can do is point. Admittedly, silent pointing is far more direct than using words, but most people are addicted to words. We therefore use word medicine to cure word illness. Some people will look where the pointer is pointing, and some people won't. That's simply the nature of what we call "reality." After one Zen Master, Gutei, woke up from the consensus paradigm, he began answering every existential question by holding up his index finger in silence. If someone asked, "What's the meaning of life?" he raised one finger. If someone asked, "Why did Buddha teach for 48 years?" One finger. I used to playfully answer all of my daughter's "why" questions in the same way, but she never got it. Recently, she visited and said, "Dad, I finally understand the one finger!" Haha. Too funny. Now, when people ask a why question in the presence of my daughter and her husband, they both immediately hold up one finger and smile. When Gutei was on his deathbed, he supposedly held up one finger and said to his followers, "I've used this finger most of my life, and I've never yet exhausted it!"
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Post by inavalan on Aug 19, 2021 17:28:54 GMT -5
As I wrote: words matter. Using ambiguous terms is misleading, because people own them, build on them, get carried away. There should be a responsibility not to mislead ignorant people. All words are ambiguous, and no ideas are true. If we want to share what's beyond words and ideas, all we can do is point. Admittedly, silent pointing is far more direct than using words, but most people are addicted to words. We therefore use word medicine to cure word illness. Some people will look where the pointer is pointing, and some people won't. That's simply the nature of what we call "reality." After one Zen Master, Gutei, woke up from the consensus paradigm, he began answering every existential question by holding up his index finger in silence. If someone asked, "What's the meaning of life?" he raised one finger. If someone asked, "Why did Buddha teach for 48 years?" One finger. I used to playfully answer all of my daughter's "why" questions in the same way, but she never got it. Recently, she visited and said, "Dad, I finally understand the one finger!" Haha. Too funny. Now, when people ask a why question in the presence of my daughter and her husband, they both immediately hold up one finger and smile. When Gutei was on his deathbed, he supposedly held up one finger and said to his followers, "I've used this finger most of my life, and I've never yet exhausted it!" Ah! Okay: I'm showing you the finger ...
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 19, 2021 19:43:25 GMT -5
On 60 Minutes last Sunday there was a repeat of a program about autonomous trucks, 18 wheelers. Trunks are driving themselves, right now there are witness drivers, drivers just there. By the end of 2020 there will be trucks driving themselves. This is going to eventually put 300,000 truck drivers out of a job (but right now there is a shortage of truck drivers). Einsteins Relativity has to enter into the GPS calculations for this. Saying all that to say you can't say all mathematics is wrong. You're not getting the point. My entire thesis is based upon the initial statement: "All of experience is a divine game/simulation, with the purpose to escape." Mathematics has made possible the creation of the digital realm and everything on the screen. The paper (the OP) states that there is an extinction event occurring in about 20 years. The reason why everything is becoming digitized, why we are addicted to the screen, is because human consciousness is transitioning into the next iteration of Samsara (11...). Mathematics is Maya creating a simulation based upon a simulation... It "Works" because it's the most powerful model in existence. But the message has been misinterpreted and that has led to using this powerful tool to go exactly the wrong way. One must go very deep and slow with this theory to fully understand. This is the most important message ever presented to humanity. One who gets this fully will find omniscience (know the one Truth). Yea, I didn't get any of that out of the OP.
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