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Post by andrew on May 3, 2022 4:04:59 GMT -5
The narrative on 'disinformation' is foreboding, so I don't mind the counter movement, though it's publicly led by a guy who wants put chips in yer head (and of course collect all the data for AI). There is a transhumanist trend. 'The future's gonna be weird" ~ Elon Musk. Yes, it's hard to ignore the whole 'I want to put a chip in your head' thing. I'm not a fan of any transhumanism, but he seems superficially to be more of an 'independent' transhumanist to me i.e he doesn't strike me as part of this crowd
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Post by laughter on May 3, 2022 6:00:19 GMT -5
The government's reaction to Musk buying twitter was to propose a 'ministry of truth'. I think that pretty much says everything about twitter's relationship with government in the last couple of years. Other examples of corporate oligarchy include alternative news sources now being banned from paypal and gofundme. I note that some these sources are actually traditional left sources (as opposed to Biden's fake/plastic progressive left). The traditional left has been sceptical about American/NATO foreign interests, and as such, are sceptical about the Ukraine narratives. These must be censored of course. So now it's both the 'right' and 'traditional left' being censored. Without alternative news sources we'd probably never have found out the lie about Iraq's alleged WMD. Not true, lots of people (msm included) had serious questions about Powell's "yellow cake" speech to the UN before the war even started. Nobody needed the click bait exploitative 'alts' to see that. What, was that like Mother Jones? The Whole Earth Catalog? The Rolling Stone perhaps? Was it in High Times?? I must have missed it!
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Post by justlikeyou on May 3, 2022 8:16:31 GMT -5
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Post by justlikeyou on May 3, 2022 8:17:42 GMT -5
Interesting though that after losing Twitter the humans called the Biden Admin are setting up a Ministry of Truth or whatever they are calling it. Nah. It won't be computers making the decisions. It will be politicians who know best who will be. how did you reach these conclusions? do you believe all the information you've consumed about the topics was fair and accurate? do you take the word of others? Interesting timing all that.
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Post by justlikeyou on May 3, 2022 8:26:48 GMT -5
Interesting though that after losing Twitter the humans called the Biden Admin are setting up a Ministry of Truth or whatever they are calling it. Nah. It won't be computers making the decisions. It will be politicians who know best who will be. how did you reach these conclusions? do you believe all the information you've consumed about the topics was fair and accurate? do you take the word of others?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 3, 2022 8:42:35 GMT -5
What, was that like Mother Jones? The Whole Earth Catalog? The Rolling Stone perhaps? Was it in High Times?? I must have missed it! I forget what the talking heads on both sides of the aisle were saying about it (although I can certainly imagine) but regardless, I was speaking of a constituency of one. I watched his speech live and I had serious questions. It was a weird speech as I recall, and with George Tenet sitting over his shoulder.. and it sounded like somebody other than the General wrote it.. but he said it. It was unconvincing, and portended a bad moon rising.. which it was. The information presented was completely a pretext. They had just this one source. Bush went to war on one source, that's insane. Much later, I saw the 60 Minutes interview, the guy who crafted the source material admitted he made it all up. One person, made it up.
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Post by laughter on May 3, 2022 9:31:29 GMT -5
What, was that like Mother Jones? The Whole Earth Catalog? The Rolling Stone perhaps? Was it in High Times?? I must have missed it! I forget what the talking heads on both sides of the aisle were saying about it (although I can certainly imagine) but regardless, I was speaking of a constituency of one. I watched his speech live and I had serious questions. It was a weird speech as I recall, and with George Tenet sitting over his shoulder.. and it sounded like somebody other than the General wrote it.. but he said it. It was unconvincing, and portended a bad moon rising.. which it was. In retrospect I don't find Powell's presentation to be all that sincere, but I didn't question it at the time and didn't think that the administration would be out and out lying. My recollection of the msm coverage at the time is very different from yours. What I do recall most specifically - and I've written about it many times - is that I was completely puzzled back in the fall of 2002 (months before Powell's speech) when both the NYT and Peter Jennings very suddenly started talking about war with Iraq as if it was an inevitability.
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Post by laughter on May 3, 2022 9:31:50 GMT -5
The narrative on 'disinformation' is foreboding, so I don't mind the counter movement, though it's publicly led by a guy who wants put chips in yer head (and of course collect all the data for AI). There is a transhumanist trend. 'The future's gonna be weird" ~ Elon Musk. Yes, it's hard to ignore the whole 'I want to put a chip in your head' thing. I'm not a fan of any transhumanism, but he seems superficially to be more of an 'independent' transhumanist to me i.e he doesn't strike me as part of this crowd
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Post by laughter on May 3, 2022 9:34:41 GMT -5
Interesting though that after losing Twitter the humans called the Biden Admin are setting up a Ministry of Truth or whatever they are calling it. Nah. It won't be computers making the decisions. It will be politicians who know best who will be. how did you reach these conclusions? do you believe all the information you've consumed about the topics was fair and accurate? do you take the word of others? Nina Jenkowitz was part of the parrot chorus that the laptop was " Russian Disinformation!" at the time the story was suppressed. So. There's that.
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2022 9:35:49 GMT -5
Interesting though that after losing Twitter the humans called the Biden Admin are setting up a Ministry of Truth or whatever they are calling it. Nah. It won't be computers making the decisions. It will be politicians who know best who will be. how did you reach these conclusions? do you believe all the information you've consumed about the topics was fair and accurate? do you take the word of others? The sequence of events was....Musk announces he's buying twitter and will bring more balance to the 'right/left' voices being heard on there. Good ol' Obama is then rolled out to tell the world that he believes government censorship is a good thing. Biden then announces the MOT. Surely the connection to Musk's purchase is obvious.
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Post by laughter on May 3, 2022 9:48:31 GMT -5
how did you reach these conclusions? do you believe all the information you've consumed about the topics was fair and accurate? do you take the word of others? The sequence of events was....Musk announces he's buying twitter and will bring more balance to the 'right/left' voices being heard on there. Good ol' Obama is then rolled out to tell the world that he believes government censorship is a good thing. Biden then announces the MOT. Surely the connection to Musk's purchase is obvious. ok, my last public post on this. Musky might have been a timing trigger, but he wasn't the only factor in establishment of the Ministry, it was the trend of people losing trust in and the declining uptake of the MSM generally that drove it. Obviously, the other side of that coin is the alts. Funny how just 20 years ago the alts used to be all those lefty rags I jested to farmer 'bout.
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2022 11:08:13 GMT -5
The sequence of events was....Musk announces he's buying twitter and will bring more balance to the 'right/left' voices being heard on there. Good ol' Obama is then rolled out to tell the world that he believes government censorship is a good thing. Biden then announces the MOT. Surely the connection to Musk's purchase is obvious. ok, my last public post on this. Musky might have been a timing trigger, but he wasn't the only factor in establishment of the Ministry, it was the trend of people losing trust in and the declining uptake of the MSM generally that drove it. Obviously, the other side of that coin is the alts. Funny how just 20 years ago the alts used to be all those lefty rags I jested to farmer 'bout. Yes, it's definitely not out of the blue, I'm sure it's been in the pipeline for a while. Though I do feel that the blue-tick progressives have been genuinely very worried at the prospect of no longer having control of twitter, and that this has been a factor in the MOT announcement now. The other option is that Musk is complicit and his buy out was staged in order to justify the MOT. I don't feel that's true, but I wouldn't rule it out. It is interesting now seeing the traditional left suddenly realizing what's going on in social media, as they face censorship over Ukraine. There's a guy in the UK called 'George Galloway'....he's a well known political character, moved in political circles for a long time, strongly opposed Iraq invasion, and has traditionally challenged the establishment narratives. But when it came to covid, he bought the narratives...as many of the traditional left did.... and I haven't seen him condemn censorship. Now though, he's challenging the Ukraine narratives. He still has a voice on twitter, but it tickles me greatly that beneath his name, twitter have assigned him as ''Russia state-affiliated media''
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Post by justlikeyou on May 3, 2022 13:44:26 GMT -5
The sequence of events was....Musk announces he's buying twitter and will bring more balance to the 'right/left' voices being heard on there. Good ol' Obama is then rolled out to tell the world that he believes government censorship is a good thing. Biden then announces the MOT. Surely the connection to Musk's purchase is obvious. obvious? really? that's the word you want to go with? for one you should look deeper into the reasons Musk is considering buying twitter and two, it's official name is the Disinformation Governance Board, not "the ministry of truth" (that's from a book) The connection is only obvious to some but not all. Depends upon how closely one follows these things.
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Post by andrew on May 3, 2022 15:07:43 GMT -5
The sequence of events was....Musk announces he's buying twitter and will bring more balance to the 'right/left' voices being heard on there. Good ol' Obama is then rolled out to tell the world that he believes government censorship is a good thing. Biden then announces the MOT. Surely the connection to Musk's purchase is obvious. obvious? really? that's the word you want to go with? for one you should look deeper into the reasons Musk is considering buying twitter and two, it's official name is the Disinformation Governance Board, not "the ministry of truth" (that's from a book) I've been looking at his reasons from different angles (some of them quite suspicious), but I might well have missed some....what are you suggesting his reason is?
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Post by justlikeyou on May 4, 2022 5:43:34 GMT -5
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