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Post by inavalan on Feb 7, 2021 17:08:15 GMT -5
Notice how different treatments work for different people. And from my perspective, that is to be expected. [...] Lots of good stuff in there. Reminds me also of Bashar, who talks in terms of 'permission slips'. For example, he might say that taking a Tylenol is a 'permission slip' for releasing a headache. Or EFT is a 'permission slip' for releasing a conditioned belief/emotion. And I think there are interesting issues here relating to 'possibility' and 'congruence'. Theoretically, I could take arsenic for a headache and it works (or just eat arsenic for dinner), if I congruently believe and expect that to be true. I could also jump off a building a fly if I believe and expect that to be true. Mostly though, I find that I'm not congruent with 'contemporary science-defying' events, and I'm okay with that. In a sense, I pay attention to my intuition, which is normally a good guide for me. If my intuition says, 'take a tylenol', that's fine. In general, I do require some level of 'permission slip'...for example, I strongly believe in energy medicine, but without an understanding of how that works, I probably would believe it less, so in a sense, the understanding is part of the permission slip. It's also why I support folks taking the vaccine if they want it...if their intuition is to take it, then no problem. And it seems to me that the creative structures/beliefs of reality run deep within us. So, a baby or a dog won't hold conscious beliefs about arsenic, but considerably more often than not, arsenic will kill them both. So these creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind. As humans, we have the 'advantage' of bringing these deeper beliefs into our conscious minds to be examined, which is a useful thing to do. While the vast majority of those deeper beliefs are 'relatively true', we also hold 'relatively false' beliefs at a level that is deeper than the conscious mind. A simple example night be a collective (false) deep belief that resources are finite. I'm aware too that I still carry that false belief to some extent, hence why I create a headache from time to time. In a sense, part of functioning in the broader consensus reality, requires to us to carry some level of the consensus false belief. Money might be a good example of that. Viruses/illness/authoritarianism is another good example of a manifestation of a deep consensus false belief. About the most I feel I can do, is examine the beliefs and structures within myself. There are times when accepting a level of falsity within me is about the best thing I can do. Going to war with falsity isn't always the path of least resistance. But then equally, there are times when I will see falsity in me, and the opportunity is there to release it, or clear it, or use whatever permission slip I feel is useful to make a shift. I pay attention to these shifts, because it also gives me a clue as to what is going on in the wider consensus reality. The forum has been interesting lately to me because in the past, there have been many periods when we have been very good at exploring our beliefs and how it relates to our emotions, and how this relates to awakening. We've also discussed manifestation and possibility at length ( the arsenic example has come up more than once). I think it's fair to say that many spiritual folks around the world have been unusually swept up in strong consensus beliefs. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that we should be exploring this in conspiracy terms, but in a classic spiritual sense. Putting the manifestation stuff to one side, even in a Byron Katie sense we can ask....''There's a pandemic. Is that true? How do we react to that belief? How would it be without that belief?'' Interesting to compare points of view. The arsenic example ... The way I see it, it isn't that the baby or the dog die because of " creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind", but they actually die in the observer's reality, for whatever reason which might not even be related to arsenic. I believe that there isn't a " wider consensus reality", as that would mean some kind of voting, or negotiated objective reality to which every participant eventually subscribes. I believe there is no objective reality, on the same lines that the reality of your dream isn't shared by any of those people you are dreaming of. Each one of us observes consciously only their own individual reality created by our own individual subconscious. At subconscious level everything is connected, but we take in consideration only what we (as in the non-physical part of our whole selves) are focused on. The problem is that we, those who part time focus into the physical reality framework (not an objective reality), aren't evolved enough, so we almost exclusively react, and actively create only very little. We mostly bring into our own realities what we observe through our connections, filtered at subconscious level through our thoughts, emotions, beliefs. We impose our wants only very little Recently, on another board people were commenting on the meaning of a Jesus' quote from the Gospel of Thomas (as far as I understand, this gospel isn't officially recognized by the church; also, I haven't read the Bible, and don't subscribe actively to any religion). #106: “[1] When you make the two into one, you will become sons of man.
[2] And when you say ‘Mountain, move away,’ it will move away.”In my interpretation, that explains exactly what we (people) are here (on Earth) to do: [1] Harmonize one's ego with their inner self and become "functionally" whole (in other words "son of man"). [2] In order to be able to consciously create reality. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 7, 2021 17:24:10 GMT -5
Notice how different treatments work for different people. [...] I'm glad he got better, but his story doesn't show that Ivermectin works, either in general or for him specifically. There is an important difference between anecdotes like this and a good double-blind placebo-controlled study like they did for the vaccines, where they take two big groups of people (vaccine/drug and placebo) and look at the health differences between the two. I had covid too, and I got better. I had chicken soup the day before my fever subsided. I could say: "chicken soup cures covid." If I managed to get 1,000 people to try chicken soup as a cure, many would report that it worked. I think science, math, and logic are aspects of reality. Yes, you can go astray if you get too arrogant about rationality, and think it is the only way to "God", or Self-Realization, or ___. But you can acknowledge the limitation without going contra-logic. From what I've seen, nothing about essential spirituality is "anti" rational. There is a Math+ protocol based on Ivermectin widely used (lately) both prophylactic and for treatment. Look it up! It might still help you mitigate the long term effects of the covid-19.    |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 7, 2021 17:28:52 GMT -5
I think, in part, the government-media axis have MASSIVELY ramped up the idea that 'death is something terrible and to be fearful of'. Prior to the pandemic, I don't even think non-spiritual people were hugely afraid of death. If we perceived death as that bad, nobody would drive cars. Nobody would eat unhealthy food. Nobody would do dangerous sports. Nobody would have babies. In days gone by, in which giving birth was dangerous, nobody would get pregnant. Some folks risk and sacrifice their lives for others. Some will risk and sacrifice their lives for a pet. Some folks take their own lives. If death was perceived as being that bad, we wouldn't allow 9 million to die of hunger each year. We wouldn't allow 1 million to die of bad sanitation. Somehow, the government-media axis has persuaded the population that death is WORSE than we truthfully believe it to be. Might want to add 'pharma' to that axis. Common sense arguments don't have much power. Peddle fear, and sneak in manipulation! It works especially on those who overestimate their reasoning (who are all of us). |
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Post by andrew on Feb 7, 2021 17:43:44 GMT -5
That's lovely! Truth be told, my only real reference for Walt Whitman is in Dead Poet's Society, which is a film I love (I just mentioned that film a couple of days ago to 'Gopal' on one of the other spiritual forums). I have a poetic side to me, but I've rarely allowed it to come out for whatever reason. I think I'm going to have to have a look at 'Cosmic Consciousness'.
Bucke's speculations about CC's were clearly erroneous, but that's probably because he was unfamiliar with all of the spiritual literature in other traditions (written in foreign languages) that describe and discuss CC's. They've clearly occurred for thousands of years, and are not some new evolutionary development as Bucke suggests. His book is interesting simply because he includes many accounts of CC's as well as his own account. Looking forward to exploring him a bit, I've always made excuses to avoid poetry, but I think my excuses have run out. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 7, 2021 17:54:22 GMT -5
Lots of good stuff in there. Reminds me also of Bashar, who talks in terms of 'permission slips'. For example, he might say that taking a Tylenol is a 'permission slip' for releasing a headache. Or EFT is a 'permission slip' for releasing a conditioned belief/emotion. And I think there are interesting issues here relating to 'possibility' and 'congruence'. Theoretically, I could take arsenic for a headache and it works (or just eat arsenic for dinner), if I congruently believe and expect that to be true. I could also jump off a building a fly if I believe and expect that to be true. Mostly though, I find that I'm not congruent with 'contemporary science-defying' events, and I'm okay with that. In a sense, I pay attention to my intuition, which is normally a good guide for me. If my intuition says, 'take a tylenol', that's fine. In general, I do require some level of 'permission slip'...for example, I strongly believe in energy medicine, but without an understanding of how that works, I probably would believe it less, so in a sense, the understanding is part of the permission slip. It's also why I support folks taking the vaccine if they want it...if their intuition is to take it, then no problem. And it seems to me that the creative structures/beliefs of reality run deep within us. So, a baby or a dog won't hold conscious beliefs about arsenic, but considerably more often than not, arsenic will kill them both. So these creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind. As humans, we have the 'advantage' of bringing these deeper beliefs into our conscious minds to be examined, which is a useful thing to do. While the vast majority of those deeper beliefs are 'relatively true', we also hold 'relatively false' beliefs at a level that is deeper than the conscious mind. A simple example night be a collective (false) deep belief that resources are finite. I'm aware too that I still carry that false belief to some extent, hence why I create a headache from time to time. In a sense, part of functioning in the broader consensus reality, requires to us to carry some level of the consensus false belief. Money might be a good example of that. Viruses/illness/authoritarianism is another good example of a manifestation of a deep consensus false belief. About the most I feel I can do, is examine the beliefs and structures within myself. There are times when accepting a level of falsity within me is about the best thing I can do. Going to war with falsity isn't always the path of least resistance. But then equally, there are times when I will see falsity in me, and the opportunity is there to release it, or clear it, or use whatever permission slip I feel is useful to make a shift. I pay attention to these shifts, because it also gives me a clue as to what is going on in the wider consensus reality. The forum has been interesting lately to me because in the past, there have been many periods when we have been very good at exploring our beliefs and how it relates to our emotions, and how this relates to awakening. We've also discussed manifestation and possibility at length ( the arsenic example has come up more than once). I think it's fair to say that many spiritual folks around the world have been unusually swept up in strong consensus beliefs. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that we should be exploring this in conspiracy terms, but in a classic spiritual sense. Putting the manifestation stuff to one side, even in a Byron Katie sense we can ask....''There's a pandemic. Is that true? How do we react to that belief? How would it be without that belief?'' Interesting to compare points of view. The arsenic example ... The way I see it, it isn't that the baby or the dog die because of " creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind", but they actually die in the observer's reality, for whatever reason which might not even be related to arsenic. I believe that there isn't a " wider consensus reality", as that would mean some kind of voting, or negotiated objective reality to which every participant eventually subscribes. I believe there is no objective reality, on the same lines that the reality of your dream isn't shared by any of those people you are dreaming of. Each one of us observes consciously only their own individual reality created by our own individual subconscious. At subconscious level everything is connected, but we take in consideration only what we (as in the non-physical part of our whole selves) are focused on. The problem is that we, those who part time focus into the physical reality framework (not an objective reality), aren't evolved enough, so we almost exclusively react, and actively create only very little. We mostly bring into our own realities what we observe through our connections, filtered at subconscious level through our thoughts, emotions, beliefs. We impose our wants only very little Recently, on another board people were commenting on the meaning of a Jesus' quote from the Gospel of Thomas (as far as I understand, this gospel isn't officially recognized by the church; also, I haven't read the Bible, and don't subscribe actively to any religion). #106: “[1] When you make the two into one, you will become sons of man.
[2] And when you say ‘Mountain, move away,’ it will move away.”In my interpretation, that explains exactly what we (people) are here (on Earth) to do: [1] Harmonize one's ego with their inner self and become "functionally" whole (in other words "son of man"). [2] In order to be able to consciously create reality. Yes, I think I understand. So in your view, whether the dog lives or dies when it swallows arsenic, is entirely down to your beliefs. From a manifesting point of view, it's actually a useful position to take. Ho'oponopono starts from that same position (and it is something I do from time to time). There is something I don't quite understand, but I can't quite formulate it. Okay...it's something like this....if the world is an expression or reflection of your beliefs, then how do your beliefs (and the expression/reflection) change? Why are you not 'stuck' in one position? How does 'change' happen? (In my view, 'change' is a product of 'relationship') |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 18:14:53 GMT -5
IMO, Whitman definitely had a big CC. I don't know that he ever wrote about it, but "Leaves of Grass" is enough evidence for me.
Bucke's speculations about CC's were clearly erroneous, but that's probably because he was unfamiliar with all of the spiritual literature in other traditions (written in foreign languages) that describe and discuss CC's. They've clearly occurred for thousands of years, and are not some new evolutionary development as Bucke suggests. His book is interesting simply because he includes many accounts of CC's as well as his own account. Looking forward to exploring him a bit, I've always made excuses to avoid poetry, but I think my excuses have run out. I don't read much poetry either. I usually care more about the content and feel like a lot of poets are too obsessed with cutesy "form" or superficial "showing off" with language. Though Whitman is kind of free flowing and not like that. Sometimes though the form of something is so good I have to like it. Check out this one... The Eagle by Alfred, Lord Tennyson He clasps the crag with crooked hands; Close to the sun in lonely lands, Ring'd with the azure world, he stands. The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls; He watches from his mountain walls, And like a thunderbolt he falls. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 7, 2021 20:47:05 GMT -5
Interesting to compare points of view. The arsenic example ... The way I see it, it isn't that the baby or the dog die because of " creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind", but they actually die in the observer's reality, for whatever reason which might not even be related to arsenic. I believe that there isn't a " wider consensus reality", as that would mean some kind of voting, or negotiated objective reality to which every participant eventually subscribes. I believe there is no objective reality, on the same lines that the reality of your dream isn't shared by any of those people you are dreaming of. Each one of us observes consciously only their own individual reality created by our own individual subconscious. At subconscious level everything is connected, but we take in consideration only what we (as in the non-physical part of our whole selves) are focused on. The problem is that we, those who part time focus into the physical reality framework (not an objective reality), aren't evolved enough, so we almost exclusively react, and actively create only very little. We mostly bring into our own realities what we observe through our connections, filtered at subconscious level through our thoughts, emotions, beliefs. We impose our wants only very little Recently, on another board people were commenting on the meaning of a Jesus' quote from the Gospel of Thomas (as far as I understand, this gospel isn't officially recognized by the church; also, I haven't read the Bible, and don't subscribe actively to any religion). #106: “[1] When you make the two into one, you will become sons of man.
[2] And when you say ‘Mountain, move away,’ it will move away.”In my interpretation, that explains exactly what we (people) are here (on Earth) to do: [1] Harmonize one's ego with their inner self and become "functionally" whole (in other words "son of man"). [2] In order to be able to consciously create reality. Yes, I think I understand. So in your view, whether the dog lives or dies when it swallows arsenic, is entirely down to your beliefs. From a manifesting point of view, it's actually a useful position to take. Ho'oponopono starts from that same position (and it is something I do from time to time). There is something I don't quite understand, but I can't quite formulate it. Okay...it's something like this....if the world is an expression or reflection of your beliefs, then how do your beliefs (and the expression/reflection) change? Why are you not 'stuck' in one position? How does 'change' happen? (In my view, 'change' is a product of 'relationship') In my view, the reality I perceive isn't an expression of my beliefs. It is created by my subconscious directed by my inner-self and my inner guidance, in the framework of the physical reality root assumptions, and inside the limits of my beliefs. When I perceive something I don't want to experience I need to identify and suspend, eliminate, and / or replace that limited belief. Beliefs aren't thoughts, as I define these terms, but limits. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 21:38:20 GMT -5
I'm glad he got better, but his story doesn't show that Ivermectin works, either in general or for him specifically. There is an important difference between anecdotes like this and a good double-blind placebo-controlled study like they did for the vaccines, where they take two big groups of people (vaccine/drug and placebo) and look at the health differences between the two. I had covid too, and I got better. I had chicken soup the day before my fever subsided. I could say: "chicken soup cures covid." If I managed to get 1,000 people to try chicken soup as a cure, many would report that it worked. I think science, math, and logic are aspects of reality. Yes, you can go astray if you get too arrogant about rationality, and think it is the only way to "God", or Self-Realization, or ___. But you can acknowledge the limitation without going contra-logic. From what I've seen, nothing about essential spirituality is "anti" rational. There is a Math+ protocol based on Ivermectin widely used (lately) both prophylactic and for treatment. Look it up! It might still help you mitigate the long term effects of the covid-19. Hey man, watch where you put those limiting beliefs! :) I don't have any long term effects that I need to mitigate with drugs. I'm 100% healthy, thankfully. I got back into running, as a way to check my lung function. All systems are good. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 7, 2021 22:44:25 GMT -5
There is a Math+ protocol based on Ivermectin widely used (lately) both prophylactic and for treatment. Look it up! It might still help you mitigate the long term effects of the covid-19. Hey man, watch where you put those limiting beliefs!  I don't have any long term effects that I need to mitigate with drugs. I'm 100% healthy, thankfully. I got back into running, as a way to check my lung function. All systems are good. Glad to hear that. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 8, 2021 6:58:32 GMT -5
Looking forward to exploring him a bit, I've always made excuses to avoid poetry, but I think my excuses have run out. I don't read much poetry either. I usually care more about the content and feel like a lot of poets are too obsessed with cutesy "form" or superficial "showing off" with language. Though Whitman is kind of free flowing and not like that. Sometimes though the form of something is so good I have to like it. Check out this one... The Eagle by Alfred, Lord Tennyson He clasps the crag with crooked hands; Close to the sun in lonely lands, Ring'd with the azure world, he stands. The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls; He watches from his mountain walls, And like a thunderbolt he falls. yeah, even to my untrained eyes/ears, it sounds great! |
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Post by andrew on Feb 8, 2021 7:00:03 GMT -5
Yes, I think I understand. So in your view, whether the dog lives or dies when it swallows arsenic, is entirely down to your beliefs. From a manifesting point of view, it's actually a useful position to take. Ho'oponopono starts from that same position (and it is something I do from time to time). There is something I don't quite understand, but I can't quite formulate it. Okay...it's something like this....if the world is an expression or reflection of your beliefs, then how do your beliefs (and the expression/reflection) change? Why are you not 'stuck' in one position? How does 'change' happen? (In my view, 'change' is a product of 'relationship') In my view, the reality I perceive isn't an expression of my beliefs. It is created by my subconscious directed by my inner-self and my inner guidance, in the framework of the physical reality root assumptions, and inside the limits of my beliefs. When I perceive something I don't want to experience I need to identify and suspend, eliminate, and / or replace that limited belief. Beliefs aren't thoughts, as I define these terms, but limits. I see. I know you have no particular use for 'teachings' but you might find this of interest...Bashar's '9 levels of consciousness' (though ultimately there are as many levels as we want to talk about)  |
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Post by andrew on Feb 8, 2021 7:28:44 GMT -5
Yes, I think I understand. So in your view, whether the dog lives or dies when it swallows arsenic, is entirely down to your beliefs. From a manifesting point of view, it's actually a useful position to take. Ho'oponopono starts from that same position (and it is something I do from time to time). There is something I don't quite understand, but I can't quite formulate it. Okay...it's something like this....if the world is an expression or reflection of your beliefs, then how do your beliefs (and the expression/reflection) change? Why are you not 'stuck' in one position? How does 'change' happen? (In my view, 'change' is a product of 'relationship') In my view, the reality I perceive isn't an expression of my beliefs. It is created by my subconscious directed by my inner-self and my inner guidance, in the framework of the physical reality root assumptions, and inside the limits of my beliefs. When I perceive something I don't want to experience I need to identify and suspend, eliminate, and / or replace that limited belief. Beliefs aren't thoughts, as I define these terms, but limits. In regard to the question I asked....the way that I believe 'change' happens is basically....I project a 'world'. Someone else puts projects a 'world'. Those 2 projections meet, negotiate, and then we have a product... a combined projected world. I then respond to that combined projected world from within my world. Though in reality, there's more than 2 projections being put out there. There's lots! And there's a 'totality projection'...a combined projected product of all creator's projections. We each respond to this totality from within the boundaries of our own world. And on it goes.... So in my view, there's always a negotiation happening. I 'work' with my world, but there's a relationship between me (and my world), and you (and your world). For me that negotiation/relationship is a fun thing. So, what I'm interested in, is what you would say you are negotiating with? What are you in a relationship with? That's if those 2 concepts apply to your view of things (I understand they might be meaningless) |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 8, 2021 9:48:48 GMT -5
Notice how different treatments work for different people. And from my perspective, that is to be expected. [...] I think so too. We aren't all the same way, so what's good for you might be bad for me, and vice-versa. Another problem is that what works for you today might not work for you tomorrow, because tomorrow you won't be the same person that you are today. Besides the subconscious factors and limiting beliefs that determine who you'll be tomorrow, there is also what you consciously think and feel today that will determine the you of tomorrow. If you succumb to fear today, you'll be worse tomorrow. That's up to you. Eventually everybody gets the reality they create for themselves, both unconsciously and consciously. I just want to make clear that while there is enormous latitude, I am not saying that anything goes. There are some obvious limitations that come with the territory. |
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Post by zazeniac on Feb 8, 2021 9:59:26 GMT -5
So much noise. The head craves it. Where does it lead?
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Post by Reefs on Feb 8, 2021 10:04:39 GMT -5
Notice how different treatments work for different people. And from my perspective, that is to be expected. Different teachers and different healers will offer different methods and paths to well-being based on their own understanding of reality and also based on what the patient can deal with. In our age of science worship, the focus is almost exclusively on the level of chemistry. Which could be argued to be the least effective in terms of manipulating reality. It does work, no doubt, but it's the hard way of going about it. The most effective way is working on the vibrational level, our state of being. But that's a very difficult concept for many people, even spiritually oriented people. So we have these two extreme ends of the spectrum and everyone has to find his/her place in this. And the spectrum of 'cures' will be as broad as the spectrum of people's awareness in terms of their own state of being. If you see your body in a mostly mechanical way, like a car, then you'd probably welcome treatments with a more brute force approach that are intended to make things happen instead of allowing things to happen. Because with that mindset, allowing things to happen would only mean things getting worse. Which is similar to how a mechanic would look at a car that has an engine problem, i.e. fix or replace the parts that are broken and then it will run again. Fail to fix or replace the broken parts, it will break down. That's basically the mindset still in the medical community. If you see your body in a more holistic way, as a living being that is capable of sustaining, correcting and repairing itself, then you'd probably welcome more gentle treatments that are more akin to just 'nudging' you back into well-being. And people have to work on their level of understanding and level of awareness. If you'd suggest to the mechanically minded folks something like acupuncture or even just a 10 day fast for detox, they'd think you'd wanted to harm them. Conversely, if you'd suggested to the holistic minded folks surgery or strong drugs, they'd think you'd wanted to harm them, too. Abe always say that, of course, you can heal yourself without any outside intervention, just with the power of your mind, and that surely would be the ideal, but most people just don't fulfill the requirements in vibrational terms to pull that off. So instead of beating up on themselves for being a failure, they say, and spending the rest of their days in misery, why not take advantage of what our highly technological age has to offer, and let them help us improve our situation? So I'd say, it's difficult to recommend anything to anyone when it comes to doing suggestions in terms of health. Because in order to work, it has to match their current beliefs. Even if it can be proven that a drug works 99.9% of the time, if it goes counter someone's belief system, you'll likely see another one of those 0.1% where it doesn't work. And this is where statistics are highly misleading. You just can't make good decisions based on what happened to other people, because what other people have going on vibrationally is not necessarily what you have going on vibrationally. And that being the case, you will have totally different experiences even under similar circumstances. And that's where I (and the way I understood it also Abe) see the fundamental flaw in the pro-vaccine vs. anti-vaccine debate. What Abe usually say is (based on LOA) only a happy journey will lead to a happy ending. An unhappy journey cannot lead to a happy ending, it defies LOA. So choose a course of action that is in alignment with your beliefs and you'll have a happy journey and a happy ending (eventually). Never do something that goes counter your beliefs because then you will have an unhappy journey that will lead to an unhappy ending (eventually). And if you don't know which course of action is the right one to choose, then just choose one and then make it right. And this is also something that I find highly questionable in terms of health, those so-called 'irreversible' damage theories which comes from this mechanical machinery thinking again, that the body is just a machine similar to a car instead of an autonomous, self-correcting and highly intelligent organism. Also, just to put our current level of scientific and technological achievements into perspective, IMO, we are still pretty low tech and low level in terms of effectiveness. It is said that in the old days - the really old days, i.e. thousands of years ago - they used sound and light and color to heal people. Now think about what that says about the level of awareness of our current civilization vs. civilizations long 'gone'. ETA: The same applies to politics and different political ideals/ideologies/systems. Not every political system or ideal is for everyone. Different political ideals/systems appeal to different people with different levels of awareness and also different personality types. Lots of good stuff in there. Reminds me also of Bashar, who talks in terms of 'permission slips'. For example, he might say that taking a Tylenol is a 'permission slip' for releasing a headache. Or EFT is a 'permission slip' for releasing a conditioned belief/emotion. And I think there are interesting issues here relating to 'possibility' and 'congruence'. Theoretically, I could take arsenic for a headache and it works (or just eat arsenic for dinner), if I congruently believe and expect that to be true. I could also jump off a building a fly if I believe and expect that to be true. Mostly though, I find that I'm not congruent with 'contemporary science-defying' events, and I'm okay with that. In a sense, I pay attention to my intuition, which is normally a good guide for me. If my intuition says, 'take a tylenol', that's fine. In general, I do require some level of 'permission slip'...for example, I strongly believe in energy medicine, but without an understanding of how that works, I probably would believe it less, so in a sense, the understanding is part of the permission slip. It's also why I support folks taking the vaccine if they want it...if their intuition is to take it, then no problem. And it seems to me that the creative structures/beliefs of reality run deep within us. So, a baby or a dog won't hold conscious beliefs about arsenic, but considerably more often than not, arsenic will kill them both. So these creative structures/beliefs run deeper than the conscious mind. As humans, we have the 'advantage' of bringing these deeper beliefs into our conscious minds to be examined, which is a useful thing to do. While the vast majority of those deeper beliefs are 'relatively true', we also hold 'relatively false' beliefs at a level that is deeper than the conscious mind. A simple example night be a collective (false) deep belief that resources are finite. I'm aware too that I still carry that false belief to some extent, hence why I create a headache from time to time. In a sense, part of functioning in the broader consensus reality, requires to us to carry some level of the consensus false belief. Money might be a good example of that. Viruses/illness/authoritarianism is another good example of a manifestation of a deep consensus false belief. About the most I feel I can do, is examine the beliefs and structures within myself. There are times when accepting a level of falsity within me is about the best thing I can do. Going to war with falsity isn't always the path of least resistance. But then equally, there are times when I will see falsity in me, and the opportunity is there to release it, or clear it, or use whatever permission slip I feel is useful to make a shift. I pay attention to these shifts, because it also gives me a clue as to what is going on in the wider consensus reality. The forum has been interesting lately to me because in the past, there have been many periods when we have been very good at exploring our beliefs and how it relates to our emotions, and how this relates to awakening. We've also discussed manifestation and possibility at length (the arsenic example has come up more than once). I think it's fair to say that many spiritual folks around the world have been unusually swept up in strong consensus beliefs. And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that we should be exploring this in conspiracy terms, but in a classic spiritual sense. Putting the manifestation stuff to one side, even in a Byron Katie sense we can ask....''There's a pandemic. Is that true? How do we react to that belief? How would it be without that belief?'' That reminds me of the infamous A-H clorox bleach example. People would ask Abe if they'd truly be invincible when in alignment as Abe suggest then could they just drink clorox for breakfast without having it kill them? And Abe always replied: "If you would be in alignment/in the vortex, you wouldn't be so stupid and drink that." And I always thought their answer was a bit of a cop-out.  But they have a point. If you identify as a human, you accept the limitations that come with it. So I'd say, if that's the case, then there can only be one inevitable result after drinking that stuff. Nevertheless, you hear similar stories from India where some yogi drinks poison and is just fine, or takes LSD without going on a trip. So, assuming this to be true, what's the difference here? What the forum taught me over the last year or so is that spiritually awake people are not necessarily politically awake. I was assuming that spiritual awareness would go hand in hand with cultural/political awareness. But that obviously isn't necessarily the case. Very interesting. |
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I don't have any long term effects that I need to mitigate with drugs. I'm 100% healthy, thankfully. I got back into running, as a way to check my lung function. All systems are good. 
