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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2020 11:55:49 GMT -5
I responded to Marianne Williamson last week on twitter... Just for fun I took a look at her twitter, didn't seem to appeal to me what she was posting, but... ...as I kept scrolling down I saw that she actually posted a link to this: I already forgot about Bohm. I wanted to get back to QM but didn't really know how and why. Now I remember, it was because SDP recommended Bohm's work, he said I would probably like it. I watched about half of that docu, and yeah, I like it. That angle is worth exploring further. Thanks Andrew! That was co-creation at it's finest! Interesting path of least resistance, hehe.  As I recall, one of her campaign promises was to create something like a "Department of Love" to balance out the Defense Dept. .. kinda' makes sense! |
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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2020 11:57:45 GMT -5
but it's not. there is a large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites. it's a pretty deep cultural divide in this country, made worse in recent years by internet conspiracy sites, political opportunist, shills and grifters... I don't know why there's such a connection between spiritual people and insane right-wing paranoia and crackpottery. It's really disturbing. Our fascist conman AGAIN stated, as if to clear all doubt: “We want to make sure that the election is honest, and I’m not sure that it can be... We have to be very careful with the ballots. The ballots — you know, that’s a whole big scam.” I don't know why I'm bothering posting here on this topic. I'm well aware it's an utter waste of time. But I can't help it, I guess! kant .. stop ... laughing .... please ..... send ...... help! |
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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2020 12:14:39 GMT -5
Anonymous sources familiar with the matter just recently confirmed that that's just another media hoax. but it's not. there is a large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites. it's a pretty deep cultural divide in this country, made worse in recent years by internet conspiracy sites, political opportunist, shills and grifters... Can you link me to one of these groups that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized? I get the "dog whistle" thing, but even that, in and of itself, contradicts the notion that overtly racist thought is currently influential. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2020 12:33:08 GMT -5
I responded to Marianne Williamson last week on twitter... Just for fun I took a look at her twitter, didn't seem to appeal to me what she was posting, but... ...as I kept scrolling down I saw that she actually posted a link to this: I already forgot about Bohm. I wanted to get back to QM but didn't really know how and why. Now I remember, it was because SDP recommended Bohm's work, he said I would probably like it. I watched about half of that docu, and yeah, I like it. That angle is worth exploring further. Thanks Andrew! That was co-creation at it's finest! Interesting path of least resistance, hehe. I read the book when it first came out, by F David Peat. Peat and Bohm wrote a couple of good popular books on synchronicity and QM back in the '80's. One interesting thing, about the time Bohm discovered Krishnamurti, he also read Ouspensky and knew of Gurdjieff through Ouspensky. He dropped Gurdjieff because there is something observing and something observed (therefore in some sense duality) and stayed with Krishnamurti because the observer is the observed, therefore, nonduality. (Although I'd consider K's view a little more complicated). I don't know if the film goes into this, you can never put a whole book into a film. ...I think Bohm was a great man, maybe not remarkable, but great. ...I glimpsed him, about 12 ft away, in 1980 when I went to the Ojai talks and questions April and May of 1980. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2020 12:38:03 GMT -5
but it's not. there is a large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites. it's a pretty deep cultural divide in this country, made worse in recent years by internet conspiracy sites, political opportunist, shills and grifters... Can you link me to one of these groups that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized? I get the "dog whistle" thing, but even that, in and of itself, contradicts the notion that overtly racist thought is currently influential. For one, there are Rednecks, in general. I worked with them for 33 years in construction. But they are not going to belong to an organization (except a scattered few) that you could google. I think there will be many wives who will not tell their husbands they voted for Biden. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2020 12:50:41 GMT -5
Can you link me to one of these groups that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized? I get the "dog whistle" thing, but even that, in and of itself, contradicts the notion that overtly racist thought is currently influential. For one, there are Rednecks, in general. I worked with them for 33 years in construction. But they are not going to belong to an organization (except a scattered few) that you could google. I think there will be many wives who will not tell their husbands they voted for Biden. Racism has been and likely always will be a thing, but my point is that any "large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites" isn't currently orgainzed, nor socially or even politically acceptable. Now, if you're not conscious to the main stream media and academic mind-hacking that's going on (with increasing intensity, of late), it might seem otherwise, sure. But, what are the facts? Are there any organized "large segments of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites"? -- now, that's rhetorical, because I'm sure there are (accounting for a liberal interpretation of "large"), but I've never had interest in hunting them. The question I asked farmer was whether he could link me to one that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized. Can you? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
For one, there are Rednecks, in general. I worked with them for 33 years in construction. But they are not going to belong to an organization (except a scattered few) that you could google. I think there will be many wives who will not tell their husbands they voted for Biden. Racism has been and likely always will be a thing, but my point is that any "large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites" isn't currently orgainzed, nor socially or even politically acceptable. Now, if you're not conscious to the main stream media and academic mind-hacking that's going on (with increasing intensity, of late), it might seem otherwise, sure. But, what are the facts? Are there any organized "large segments of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites"? -- now, that's rhetorical, because I'm sure there are (accounting for a liberal interpretation of "large"), but I've never had interest in hunting them. The question I asked farmer was whether he could link me to one that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized. Can you? I don't think farmer was saying there is. I agree. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2020 13:25:30 GMT -5
Racism has been and likely always will be a thing, but my point is that any "large segment of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites" isn't currently orgainzed, nor socially or even politically acceptable. Now, if you're not conscious to the main stream media and academic mind-hacking that's going on (with increasing intensity, of late), it might seem otherwise, sure. But, what are the facts? Are there any organized "large segments of white america that wants the country to remain controlled by whites"? -- now, that's rhetorical, because I'm sure there are (accounting for a liberal interpretation of "large"), but I've never had interest in hunting them. The question I asked farmer was whether he could link me to one that isn't currently politically and socially marginalized. Can you? I don't think farmer was saying there is. I agree. Hey, I'll take "yes" for an answer, thanks. Seems to me a disorganized, socially and politically marginalized perspective isn't one to be all that concerned about, but that also seems to me completely counter to the narrative currently coming out of most major media outlets, academia and Hollywood supported by big corps and big tech, and I find that narrative to be a smokescreen to obscure genuine social and economic challenges facing most Americans. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2020 15:30:44 GMT -5
I have stated previously, I voted for Trump in 2016. Most of that was on the basis of anybody but Hillary. Also a major factor was the choosing of Supreme Court Justices. I have never regretted that decision, made then. But that was then, this is now. + #1: Strong defense of Israel, which includes moving the embassy to Jerusalem. + #2: Choosing two conservative Supreme Court Justices, plus what will be a 3rd. minus: The China trade negotiations. I don't think he knows enough about international trade to know what he's doing (or what he did). minus: Coronavirus. We should have had central control on decisions made, not control by 50 (states). Trump should have backed the scientific experts, not cut the feet out under them. Dr. Brix has just about had enough of his nonsense. + #3: The economy. He has led the charge on the economy. But this may be as much a psychological response as much as know-how. He did bring some jobs back. He seems not to understand there is a difference between the economy and the stock market. minus: He is obviously a bigot, but he may not be aware this is the case. + #4: Choosing numerous conservative federal judges, of course with Senate help. minus: He thinks he is smarter than most anybody, always the smartest one in the room. "I know more than the generals". (nonsense). I know more than the doctors. (nonsense). He should know his own limitations and recognize when someone knows more about a subject than he. He lives by his second gut-brain, his instincts. He is crashing and burning by doing so. minus: No healthcare plan to replace ACA. McCain saved ACA. With a 6-3 court ACA will probably come down. If nothing is there to replace it, colossal mess. We need a single payer system to save healthcare. Rich people pay their fair share (in a National health plan), but ATST they should be able to pay for whatever healthcare they wish, IOW, pay extra for themselves. minus: He seems to think US money is his money. Example, he dismantled the committee that had a watch on Internation al virus outbreak, merely to save money. This was a colossal error. We were caught flatfooted with Coronavirus. minus: He lies every day. Most of this is deliberate, he thinks if he says it enough, people will believe what he says. minus: He thrives on causing chaos. minus: His posturing on being a law and order candidate. I'm having trouble coming up with a + #5, probably missing something obvious. OK, + #5: Strong military support. (If I think of a + #6, I'll edit). Okay, thanks. I wrote a rather long replay, but I am sensing this is one of those perpetual circular discussions that don't really go anywhere. But before I follow Zeniac's good example and move on to something non-dual, just let me say something about your last three negatives. Scott Adams, one of the few people who predicted a Trump presidency pretty early on, wrote a book, Win Bigly, where he looked at the 2016 election thru the filter of a hypnotist and his conclusion was that DJT's persuasion techniques are on par with the medias persuasion techniques (if not better). So what you would consider as repetitive lies, chaos, posturing or bigotry thru a conventional filter, are actually high-powered tools in the battle for our minds and attention thru the persuasion filter. If you are interested, read the book. I highly recommend it to people who just can't make sense of what's happening here. It will explain in detail why he says what he says the way he says it and why he does what he does the way he does it. He's not a fool and he isn't lost either. In fact, he does understand LOA and he's been beating the media at their own game for years now. So maybe you can add that as your + #6. I ordered the book earlier, just browsed it. It looks very interesting, thanks. Do you read Adams blog? I'm curious what he thinks about the current situation, if P Trump will win again. Browsing it brought to mind #6 +, Trump's ending the ISIS state. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 26, 2020 1:04:24 GMT -5
As I recall, one of her campaign promises was to create something like a "Department of Love" to balance out the Defense Dept. .. kinda' makes sense! That sounds like really good out of the box thinking, but as of now, I don't think people are ready for that . Tell her to try again in 2032. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 26, 2020 1:07:20 GMT -5
I read the book when it first came out, by F David Peat. Peat and Bohm wrote a couple of good popular books on synchronicity and QM back in the '80's. One interesting thing, about the time Bohm discovered Krishnamurti, he also read Ouspensky and knew of Gurdjieff through Ouspensky. He dropped Gurdjieff because there is something observing and something observed (therefore in some sense duality) and stayed with Krishnamurti because the observer is the observed, therefore, nonduality. (Although I'd consider K's view a little more complicated). I don't know if the film goes into this, you can never put a whole book into a film. ...I think Bohm was a great man, maybe not remarkable, but great. ...I glimpsed him, about 12 ft away, in 1980 when I went to the Ojai talks and questions April and May of 1980. The film goes into the JK relationship and how JK was a major game changer for Bohm. There's also a short clip of Bohm and JK discussing. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 26, 2020 1:51:49 GMT -5
I ordered the book earlier, just browsed it. It looks very interesting, thanks. Do you read Adams blog? I'm curious what he thinks about the current situation, if P Trump will win again. Browsing it brought to mind #6 +, Trump's ending the ISIS state. I read Adams blog in 2015/16 because his angle seemed the most reasonable to me. At that time, he was basically alone with his perspective. But he was 100% right on target. Funny thing, he's actually a liberal who lives in CA. And other than DJT's exceptional persuasion skills, he probably didn't think much of DJT 5 years ago. He was actually invited to the WH and met DJT in person in 2018. Here's his account of the meeting. Very interesting. He does a live podcast every morning where he discusses the latest news, explains the latest DJT tweets and whatever is currently happening in the simulation (i.e. the world as it is presented to us by the media) from the persuasion angle. He usually just goes thru headlines from FOX and CNN, because these two networks are most representative of the two main movies in the current simulation. He's an interesting character, and his basic understanding of the world pretty much matches Gopal's perspective, IMO. And he actually does make an effort to apply these insights to day-to-day life, that's why he calls it a simulation or a movie. ETA: links to his podcast: periscope: www.pscp.tv/ScottAdamsSays/1mnGeYdyEAEGXyoutube: www.youtube.com/c/RealCoffeewithScottAdams/featured |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 26, 2020 8:10:25 GMT -5
How could someone willingly vote for Donald Trump in 2020? That's so crazy it defies explanation. It's cult like. Always the carrot and the stick. The carrot: the economy, he's supposed to be a financial genius, but past performance is no guarantee of future returns; trade, he purports to know how to get better deals with foreign countries. The stick: although the Democrat party picked Biden over the more liberal progressives, he is being painted as a socialist, just one step removed from a communist, he's going to take your money via taxes and give it to people who don't deserve it. Trump manipulates your emotions. I have a sister, brother-in-law, most of her kids and in-laws, along with many evangelicals, for whom prophecy said Trump was God's man to be President to clean up the country. (I've browsed the books). There doesn't seem to be anything Trump can do or say to change their minds. Yes, very cult-like. www.amazon.com/Trump-Prophecies-Astonishing-Tomorrow-EXPANDED/dp/1948014211/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3IWGT6KL76SQM&dchild=1&keywords=the+trump+prophecy&qid=1601125729&s=books&sprefix=the+Trump+Prophecy%2Cstripbooks%2C171&sr=1-1 www.amazon.com/God-Trump-2020-Election-Christians/dp/1629996653/ref=sr_1_2?crid=TB71N3ASKHTZ&dchild=1&keywords=god+trump+and+the+2020+election&qid=1601126321&sprefix=god+trump+and+the+%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-2www.amazon.com/QANON-PHENOMENON-DETAILED-CONSPIRES-AWAKENING/dp/B08DBZD8NV/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1VLN6QE7BLGJ7&dchild=1&keywords=qanon+phenomenon&qid=1601126625&sprefix=Qnon+pheno%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExSjQyU1lRUlVLNDhaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTM1MDQ3MTcwVUVBSzMzREZSSiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTQ5NTI0MlJIWkRWMUpDVVIxMiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=www.amazon.com/QAnon-Invitation-Great-Awakening-WWG1WGA/dp/1942790139/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2SOKI2Q99GP63&dchild=1&keywords=qanon+the+great+awakening&qid=1601127212&sprefix=qnon+the+great+%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-3  |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 26, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -5
How could someone willingly vote for Donald Trump in 2020? That's so crazy it defies explanation. It's cult like. It's called deliusion, wishful thinking, a view of reality so skewed, they invent their own version. It goes like this. If Trump loses then the Democrats cheated. If he wins, then the election is fair. They call a question that challenges this notion a "double bind." I call this argument, bullsh!t. They claim folks who vote against Trump, just hate him because of the media. More bullsh!t. Spencer, Mattis, Taylor, Tillerson, Bolton, Scaramucci and many more folk who spent time with him recognized the truth. He's unfit. Has there ever been a president where so many who worked for the man came out publicly condemning him? Never. With the exception of Nixon, maybe. These are not Democratic Party operatives or media people. Hardly liberals. I tried to stay out of this argument because it is toxic. It's a game to them. It's not to me. The most disappointing part of it, is the cagey attempt to discount the pandemic, knowing that this host is attempting to curtail misinformation about the it, they couched their words in "maybe." "Maybe folks were profiting. "Maybe" the CDC numbers aren't real. This is probably in response to my quoting Trump saying the disease is "deadly." All their assertions about the pandemic are false. Look them up in Snopes or Factcheck. They'll claim these are left wing entities and unreliable. Because only their version of events are reliable.. Yet some crazy who believes ships with large fans can steer hurricanes is reliable and Scott Adams is a liberal because he's from California. I have family who are immune compromised, an organ transplant, and one fighting breast cancer. I fear for them. They are vulnerable. My nephew was in the thick of it as an intern in a southern hospital. I'd like to hear them tell him it isn't real in person. It would not go well. This is personal. All you have to do is look at sites like WorldMeter. Compare the new infection rates and deaths for European countries to the US. Even Tegnell in Sweden is now talking about implementing shutdowns in Stockholm. And their experiment has cost ten times as many lives as neighboring countries like Norway, Finland and Denmark with an equivalent hit to their economy. Denmark is opening up with testing and contact tracing. Look at South Korea. They've opened up without a sordid death toll. Compare it to Brazil where Bolsonaro said it was like a flu. Compare Brazil to Paraguay and Uruguay. Look at Portugal's data, even Portugal. Look at their deaths per million. But this is all anti-Trump propaganda. The death toll isn't real. It's not happening. Trump isn't incompetent. He's a misunderstood genius. Even when Trump says that it's deadly. They'll come up with some nonsense like he was duped by deep state operatives, elitist scientists like Birks and Fauci. It's wild. On the other site their talking about the forest fires in CA being caused by some kind of weapon. Their orld is Ttopsy turvy. Big corporations are now leftists trying to implement socialism. Rich people like Trump and Carlson and Limbaugh are for the working people. I remember Limbaugh on the radio promoting NAFTA back in the nineties. He said four Mexicans can't out work a good old American worker. I like this site, but I can't do this anymore. I tried to stay out of the BS, but I can't. It's too much for me. I'm out of here. |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 26, 2020 9:39:19 GMT -5
Yes, hang around Z. I've enjoyed your posts. Just ignore this one thread.
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