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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 15, 2020 14:59:48 GMT -5
Problem? the general statement that the energy of the light depends on the wavelength of it holds regardless of which formulation you use. That's true if light were only a wave, but we're talking about a photon, a particle.
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Post by laughter on Sept 15, 2020 15:38:37 GMT -5
Problem? the general statement that the energy of the light depends on the wavelength of it holds regardless of which formulation you use. That's true if light were only a wave, but we're talking about a photon, a particle. As the energy of the photon is directly related to the momentum and the momentum is, as you pointed out, inversely proportional to the wavelength, it's true in the particle case, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 3:08:59 GMT -5
I know her! But I don't go with her with these three step process. Holding the feeling as if it's real in our mind's eye(Most toughest one and that's what people are failing to create the reality in the way they want) is more than enough, Infinite is going to orchestrate that soon. But also this way of changing the reality is not going to be permanent for us, this would be collapsed soon and reality will pull us back to the line in which we are already in. It actually has become 5 steps now. So, the theory keeps changing slightly, hehe. Are you also familiar with the 17 seconds and the 68 seconds rule A-H used to teach? Because what you are describing there, holding a thought for a longer period of time, is similar to that. And I am assuming that you are talking about applying will power and that's why it won't last, right? When I say universe is alive, I don't mean to say I can know other people are real, I meant to say that universe is creative, intelligence. Is 'alive' real? That's not quite true. You don't have to bother about other's choice. You simply create your reality and other people will act like it's their own choice. They do not even know that you created it! Well, that certainly would make you God! I'd agree with that only under one condition. And that condition is that this only works as long as the other gives you his undivided attention. Because then you can direct his focus and basically have control over what he is manifesting in his reality. However, the moment he fully withdraws his attention from you, all your influence is gone. You can see this scenario perfectly playing out with the mainstream media vs. the alternative media these days. The vast majority used to be spell-bound by the mainstream media and so these entities could do as they pleased. Nowadays, a lot of people are defecting and withdrawing their attention from these large news organizations and so their influence on people's minds and lives is crumbling.
Ohhhh you know that? Yep, I am aware of 17 seconds but I did not hear from A-H! What is this 68 seconds? I am not aware of that?
I am just distinguishing between the people those believe universe is made of mere rocks and sands and also the people those who believe in 'Everything is appearing in Consciousness'. People those who believe everything is appearing in consciousness knows that they are not only perceiving the reality but also creating while they are perceiving it! So universe is alive!
You don't have to direct other people focus, you don't have to have the control over what other people are manifesting, you just create your reality in which everything else would fall in place, other people act like it's their reality.Influencing other people will give you clear idea, when you influence a specific person, she would be thinking your thoughts but she doesn't know that those thoughts are coming from you. Soon she would be seeking you out subconsciously. Once she end up in your life, she will be having clear connection with you. But she never know that you have created her in your life. she would be acting like it's her reality, that's it. She can't say no to you because she doesn't even know you created her in your life.
In the above example, you have created a specific person in your life, likewise, If you created your reality, all other people will be pulled into your reality and they don't know that you have created that reality for them.
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Post by runstill on Sept 16, 2020 19:54:04 GMT -5
Trading physicality for information is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's just physicists getting a tiny baby step closer to Consciousness as Ground. That's something. Well its been awhile , I don't recall you defining Consciousness as ground ,you are right, I think in terms it is primary there is nothing before.The universe is made of consciousness, its faster then the speed of light because its everywhere at once.Physicist are searching for the God 'particle', will never find it unless they understand they are what they are looking for.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 17, 2020 10:30:12 GMT -5
It's just physicists getting a tiny baby step closer to Consciousness as Ground. That's something. Well its been awhile , I don't recall you defining Consciousness as ground ,you are right, I think in terms it is primary there is nothing before.The universe is made of consciousness, its faster then the speed of light because its everywhere at once.Physicist are searching for the God 'particle', will never find it unless they understand they are what they are looking for. SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious, Intelligence). That's always been my Ground, written about here first probably 8-10 years ago. (Conscious = Conscious-ness).
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Post by Reefs on Sept 18, 2020 10:27:25 GMT -5
Ohhhh you know that? Yep, I am aware of 17 seconds but I did not hear from A-H! What is this 68 seconds? I am not aware of that? I am just distinguishing between the people those believe universe is made of mere rocks and sands and also the people those who believe in 'Everything is appearing in Consciousness'. People those who believe everything is appearing in consciousness knows that they are not only perceiving the reality but also creating while they are perceiving it! So universe is alive! You don't have to direct other people focus, you don't have to have the control over what other people are manifesting, you just create your reality in which everything else would fall in place, other people act like it's their reality.Influencing other people will give you clear idea, when you influence a specific person, she would be thinking your thoughts but she doesn't know that those thoughts are coming from you. Soon she would be seeking you out subconsciously. Once she end up in your life, she will be having clear connection with you. But she never know that you have created her in your life. she would be acting like it's her reality, that's it. She can't say no to you because she doesn't even know you created her in your life. In the above example, you have created a specific person in your life, likewise, If you created your reality, all other people will be pulled into your reality and they don't know that you have created that reality for them.
It takes 16 seconds of pure thought to get a vibration going and 68 seconds of pure thought to start the manifestation process. The word pure is important here. Well, alive would mean alert, aware, conscious. So it seems you actually go with the dictionary definition of consciousness. Well, that's you basically putting yourself into the position of God. You can create in other people's reality as you please without them even noticing or being able to do anything about it. This clearly puts you above all the other creators. Now the question is, since there are other creators, can they create in your reality as well? Or is this really such an uneven playing field, i.e. only you can create in your reality and in their reality at the same time, but they can only create in their own reality, which you can overrule at any time. Your personal creation theory is a very uneven playing field.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 18, 2020 16:18:33 GMT -5
Ohhhh you know that? Yep, I am aware of 17 seconds but I did not hear from A-H! What is this 68 seconds? I am not aware of that? I am just distinguishing between the people those believe universe is made of mere rocks and sands and also the people those who believe in 'Everything is appearing in Consciousness'. People those who believe everything is appearing in consciousness knows that they are not only perceiving the reality but also creating while they are perceiving it! So universe is alive! You don't have to direct other people focus, you don't have to have the control over what other people are manifesting, you just create your reality in which everything else would fall in place, other people act like it's their reality.Influencing other people will give you clear idea, when you influence a specific person, she would be thinking your thoughts but she doesn't know that those thoughts are coming from you. Soon she would be seeking you out subconsciously. Once she end up in your life, she will be having clear connection with you. But she never know that you have created her in your life. she would be acting like it's her reality, that's it. She can't say no to you because she doesn't even know you created her in your life. In the above example, you have created a specific person in your life, likewise, If you created your reality, all other people will be pulled into your reality and they don't know that you have created that reality for them.
It takes 16 seconds of pure thought to get a vibration going and 68 seconds of pure thought to start the manifestation process. The word pure is important here. Well, alive would mean alert, aware, conscious. So it seems you actually go with the dictionary definition of consciousness. Well, that's you basically putting yourself into the position of God. You can create in other people's reality as you please without them even noticing or being able to do anything about it. This clearly puts you above all the other creators. Now the question is, since there are other creators, can they create in your reality as well? Or is this really such an uneven playing field, i.e. only you can create in your reality and in their reality at the same time, but they can only create in their own reality, which you can overrule at any time. Your personal creation theory is a very uneven playing field. Do these 16 (17) and 68 seconds have any justification? When I channel I usually get replies to my questions before finishing asking them. You can't create into another's reality, and nobody can create into yours. We can only peek into each other's reality. That's why if you pretend to be happy and confident, you'll fool everybody (you including) into believing to be so, and you'll reap the benefits.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 18, 2020 20:41:24 GMT -5
Do these 16 (17) and 68 seconds have any justification? When I channel I usually get replies to my questions before finishing asking them. You can't create into another's reality, and nobody can create into yours. We can only peek into each other's reality. That's why if you pretend to be happy and confident, you'll fool everybody (you including) into believing to be so, and you'll reap the benefits. I always understood it as some kind of ballpark figure. And the actual numbers are getting smaller over time. I think it's something like 13 seconds now. The point though is that there is a time lag built in the creation process. And this is about manifesting something physical, like a car. And I bet the number of people who manifest a new car in their garage before they finish the thought is close to zero (if not zero). Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 18, 2020 22:19:02 GMT -5
Do these 16 (17) and 68 seconds have any justification? When I channel I usually get replies to my questions before finishing asking them. You can't create into another's reality, and nobody can create into yours. We can only peek into each other's reality. That's why if you pretend to be happy and confident, you'll fool everybody (you including) into believing to be so, and you'll reap the benefits. I always understood it as some kind of ballpark figure. And the actual numbers are getting smaller over time. I think it's something like 13 seconds now. The point though is that there is a time lag built in the creation process. And this is about manifesting something physical, like a car. And I bet the number of people who manifest a new car in their garage before they finish the thought is close to zero (if not zero). Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective. Conscious manifestation is zero for mostly everybody here, otherwise we wouldn't be here. To understand who, what, how, when, ... creates, you have to have a model in which that is possible. God is only a placeholder in that model. As long as one believes there is an objective physical reality that we-here perceive, that model won't work (in my opinion).
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 18, 2020 22:43:03 GMT -5
Do these 16 (17) and 68 seconds have any justification? When I channel I usually get replies to my questions before finishing asking them. You can't create into another's reality, and nobody can create into yours. We can only peek into each other's reality. That's why if you pretend to be happy and confident, you'll fool everybody (you including) into believing to be so, and you'll reap the benefits. I always understood it as some kind of ballpark figure. And the actual numbers are getting smaller over time. I think it's something like 13 seconds now. The point though is that there is a time lag built in the creation process. And this is about manifesting something physical, like a car. And I bet the number of people who manifest a new car in their garage before they finish the thought is close to zero (if not zero). Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective.Yes, this is the point I was trying to make with him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 7:32:51 GMT -5
Do these 16 (17) and 68 seconds have any justification? When I channel I usually get replies to my questions before finishing asking them. You can't create into another's reality, and nobody can create into yours. We can only peek into each other's reality. That's why if you pretend to be happy and confident, you'll fool everybody (you including) into believing to be so, and you'll reap the benefits. I always understood it as some kind of ballpark figure. And the actual numbers are getting smaller over time. I think it's something like 13 seconds now. The point though is that there is a time lag built in the creation process. And this is about manifesting something physical, like a car. And I bet the number of people who manifest a new car in their garage before they finish the thought is close to zero (if not zero). Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective.That's because everything starts rolling out after I set an intention, If my intention is the intention of other person, then that should be the intention of All That Is which orchestrate everything else together and also If this is the case, then I am not creating anything instead I am simply in the flow and this goes back to our argument of predetermination!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 7:37:12 GMT -5
Ohhhh you know that? Yep, I am aware of 17 seconds but I did not hear from A-H! What is this 68 seconds? I am not aware of that? I am just distinguishing between the people those believe universe is made of mere rocks and sands and also the people those who believe in 'Everything is appearing in Consciousness'. People those who believe everything is appearing in consciousness knows that they are not only perceiving the reality but also creating while they are perceiving it! So universe is alive! You don't have to direct other people focus, you don't have to have the control over what other people are manifesting, you just create your reality in which everything else would fall in place, other people act like it's their reality.Influencing other people will give you clear idea, when you influence a specific person, she would be thinking your thoughts but she doesn't know that those thoughts are coming from you. Soon she would be seeking you out subconsciously. Once she end up in your life, she will be having clear connection with you. But she never know that you have created her in your life. she would be acting like it's her reality, that's it. She can't say no to you because she doesn't even know you created her in your life. In the above example, you have created a specific person in your life, likewise, If you created your reality, all other people will be pulled into your reality and they don't know that you have created that reality for them.
Well, that's you basically putting yourself into the position of God. You can create in other people's reality as you please without them even noticing or being able to do anything about it. This clearly puts you above all the other creators. Now the question is, since there are other creators, can they create in your reality as well? Or is this really such an uneven playing field, i.e. only you can create in your reality and in their reality at the same time, but they can only create in their own reality, which you can overrule at any time. Your personal creation theory is a very uneven playing field. Okay. Never heard of this 68 seconds, thanks!
yes, but true nature of other person can't be known because actuality beyond the appearance can't be known. For an example, you would be believing that the people who are appearing in your nightly seems to be real and you must have believed that way but upon your awakening, you know you have mistaken the dream for happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 7:40:11 GMT -5
Ohhhh you know that? Yep, I am aware of 17 seconds but I did not hear from A-H! What is this 68 seconds? I am not aware of that? I am just distinguishing between the people those believe universe is made of mere rocks and sands and also the people those who believe in 'Everything is appearing in Consciousness'. People those who believe everything is appearing in consciousness knows that they are not only perceiving the reality but also creating while they are perceiving it! So universe is alive! You don't have to direct other people focus, you don't have to have the control over what other people are manifesting, you just create your reality in which everything else would fall in place, other people act like it's their reality.Influencing other people will give you clear idea, when you influence a specific person, she would be thinking your thoughts but she doesn't know that those thoughts are coming from you. Soon she would be seeking you out subconsciously. Once she end up in your life, she will be having clear connection with you. But she never know that you have created her in your life. she would be acting like it's her reality, that's it. She can't say no to you because she doesn't even know you created her in your life. In the above example, you have created a specific person in your life, likewise, If you created your reality, all other people will be pulled into your reality and they don't know that you have created that reality for them.
Well, that's you basically putting yourself into the position of God. You can create in other people's reality as you please without them even noticing or being able to do anything about it. This clearly puts you above all the other creators. Now the question is, since there are other creators, can they create in your reality as well? Or is this really such an uneven playing field, i.e. only you can create in your reality and in their reality at the same time, but they can only create in their own reality, which you can overrule at any time. Your personal creation theory is a very uneven playing field. There is no separate individual present here to create their reality into yours. Everything moves as one. If you have the intention to create something in your reality, then other people will not be having the intention to create something other than what you intended because THERE IS Only One Creator in the play.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 19, 2020 22:19:46 GMT -5
I always understood it as some kind of ballpark figure. And the actual numbers are getting smaller over time. I think it's something like 13 seconds now. The point though is that there is a time lag built in the creation process. And this is about manifesting something physical, like a car. And I bet the number of people who manifest a new car in their garage before they finish the thought is close to zero (if not zero). Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective. Conscious manifestation is zero for mostly everybody here, otherwise we wouldn't be here. To understand who, what, how, when, ... creates, you have to have a model in which that is possible. God is only a placeholder in that model. As long as one believes there is an objective physical reality that we-here perceive, that model won't work (in my opinion). 'Here' meaning what - this forum or this planet? I'm not quite understanding what you are saying here, do you mean in an objective physical reality model there's no room for personal creators?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 19, 2020 22:23:47 GMT -5
Well, here's a good question for Gopal, how does he know that he's the God in this scenario, that he's not actually fooling himself or being fooled by those other creators who might actually controlling his thoughts and actions and manifestations into making him believe that it's all his own choices, decisions and actions while in reality he's got no say whatsoever? I don't think he can say for sure, given his perspective. That's because everything starts rolling out after I set an intention, If my intention is the intention of other person, then that should be the intention of All That Is which orchestrate everything else together and also If this is the case, then I am not creating anything instead I am simply in the flow and this goes back to our argument of predetermination! IOW, you can't be sure and will never know. You are simply assuming that this is the case as you are simply assuming that there are other perceivers. And this has nothing to do with predetermination. Even in the case that you are not deciding anything, that doesn't automatically mean that everything has to be predetermined. One doesn't follow the other. Well, alive would mean alert, aware, conscious. So it seems you actually go with the dictionary definition of consciousness. yes, but true nature of other person can't be known because actuality beyond the appearance can't be known. For an example, you would be believing that the people who are appearing in your nightly seems to be real and you must have believed that way but upon your awakening, you know you have mistaken the dream for happening. Don't get lost in hypotheticals, those are just mind games and they don't solve anything. Let's get back to the basics instead. There is only what you are. Once you've realized that, how can there still be any doubt about the true nature of anything or anybody? Realizing your own true nature and realizing the true nature of everything and everyone else are one and the same. Which means this kind of doubt about the true nature of others can only remain as long as you haven't realized your own true nature. It's that simple. Well, that's you basically putting yourself into the position of God. You can create in other people's reality as you please without them even noticing or being able to do anything about it. This clearly puts you above all the other creators. Now the question is, since there are other creators, can they create in your reality as well? Or is this really such an uneven playing field, i.e. only you can create in your reality and in their reality at the same time, but they can only create in their own reality, which you can overrule at any time. Your personal creation theory is a very uneven playing field. There is no separate individual present here to create their reality into yours. Everything moves as one. If you have the intention to create something in your reality, then other people will not be having the intention to create something other than what you intended because THERE IS Only One Creator in the play. This has nothing to do with separation. Just think of the cells in the body, they are not separate, they move as one and yet they all do their own thing and one cell can't create for the another cell and yet it's all one organism.
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