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Post by Reefs on Sept 13, 2020 13:13:19 GMT -5
Well, that's an interesting statement coming from you. Same argument goes with figgles in gab. I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. All you have to do is, you have to feel the desired reality as if you are experiencing it." Once people see our visualized reality is confirmed by infinite, then they know universe is not dead but alive and creative at every single moment. But wasn't your point always that you cannot know if what you look at is dead or alive? That you can only assume? Anyway, by 'our visualized reality is confirmed by the infinite' do you maybe mean something like step #2 of the A-H creation theory? Just to recap, step #1 you ask, step #2 Source answers by orchestrating circumstances and events, step #3 you allow it to manifest by being in alignment with what you've asked for and by following the path of least resistance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:28:31 GMT -5
Same argument goes with figgles in gab. I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. All you have to do is, you have to feel the desired reality as if you are experiencing it." Once people see our visualized reality is confirmed by infinite, then they know universe is not dead but alive and creative at every single moment. But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe you see what the universe is going to manifest, anyway. There is a famous book called The Lathe of Heaven. It is based on the Chuang Tzu story of the dreaming butterfly. The main character finds that what he dreams at night asleep, happens in life in the near future. But in the end he discovers that what he thought was dreaming at night was actually real life and what he thought was real life was actually him dreaming. I did not understand what you are talking now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:31:54 GMT -5
Same argument goes with figgles in gab. I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. All you have to do is, you have to feel the desired reality as if you are experiencing it." Once people see our visualized reality is confirmed by infinite, then they know universe is not dead but alive and creative at every single moment. But wasn't your point always that you cannot know if what you look at is dead or alive? That you can only assume? Anyway, by 'our visualized reality is confirmed by the infinite' do you maybe mean something like step #2 of the A-H creation theory? Just to recap, step #1 you ask, step #2 Source answers by orchestrating circumstances and events, step #3 you allow it to manifest by being in alignment with what you've asked for and by following the path of least resistance. I know her! But I don't go with her with these three step process. Holding the feeling as if it's real in our mind's eye(Most toughest one and that's what people are failing to create the reality in the way they want) is more than enough, Infinite is going to orchestrate that soon. But also this way of changing the reality is not going to be permanent for us, this would be collapsed soon and reality will pull us back to the line in which we are already in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:33:37 GMT -5
Same argument goes with figgles in gab. I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. All you have to do is, you have to feel the desired reality as if you are experiencing it." Once people see our visualized reality is confirmed by infinite, then they know universe is not dead but alive and creative at every single moment. But wasn't your point always that you cannot know if what you look at is dead or alive? That you can only assume? Anyway, by 'our visualized reality is confirmed by the infinite' do you maybe mean something like step #2 of the A-H creation theory? Just to recap, step #1 you ask, step #2 Source answers by orchestrating circumstances and events, step #3 you allow it to manifest by being in alignment with what you've asked for and by following the path of least resistance. When I say universe is alive, I don't mean to say I can know other people are real, I meant to say that universe is creative, intelligence.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 13, 2020 13:47:35 GMT -5
But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe you see what the universe is going to manifest, anyway. There is a famous book called The Lathe of Heaven. It is based on the Chuang Tzu story of the dreaming butterfly. The main character finds that what he dreams at night asleep, happens in life in the near future. But in the end he discovers that what he thought was dreaming at night was actually real life and what he thought was real life was actually him dreaming. I did not understand what you are talking now. I think Gopal has seen something significant, but maybe only one side of the coin, 1/2 of the picture. The ND people here talk about the flow of the universe and there being no SVP. But Gopal says, I can visualize, use LOA and manifest. But maybe what you ~chose~ to manifest was going to happen anyway. So you have tuned in-to what was going to happen, was going to manifest, but you think you have manifested what was already going to occur. You see 1/2 of the picture. Over 45 years ago I saw a cartoon in psychology. There were two mice, one saying to the other. We have the experimenter trained. Every time we push this bar, he gives us a pellet.
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 13, 2020 16:36:39 GMT -5
This is dedicated to Gopal, but it's two birds, one stone, also how I got my name (half, about minute 10). This astrophysicist is regularly on the Science channel, various programs including How the Universe Works. Fascinating. I think of the photon, the light particle. It has no mass and yet it has momentum. It travels at one speed, but yet possesses discrete varying levels of energy. How is that possible? And when high energy matterless photons collide, they create electrons and positrons, matter and anti-matter appear. This is like magic, the realm of the imagined. Magic is real.
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Post by laughter on Sept 13, 2020 18:15:10 GMT -5
Corrected your post, hehe. I'm not saying physicists have final answers, that materialism (or physicalism) is the basis for What Is, I've never meant to suggest this. SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious[ness], Intelligence) is not a physical basis. And most physicists now agree there is no stuff, every-thing is formed from fields of energy. And many physicists now agree that information is a fundamental feature of the universe. Trading physicality for information is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 13, 2020 18:26:37 GMT -5
I'm not saying physicists have final answers, that materialism (or physicalism) is the basis for What Is, I've never meant to suggest this. SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious[ness], Intelligence) is not a physical basis. And most physicists now agree there is no stuff, every-thing is formed from fields of energy. And many physicists now agree that information is a fundamental feature of the universe. Trading physicality for information is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's just physicists getting a tiny baby step closer to Consciousness as Ground. That's something.
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Post by laughter on Sept 13, 2020 19:14:19 GMT -5
This is dedicated to Gopal, but it's two birds, one stone, also how I got my name (half, about minute 10). This astrophysicist is regularly on the Science channel, various programs including How the Universe Works. Fascinating. I think of the photon, the light particle. It has no mass and yet it has momentum. It travels at one speed, but yet possesses discrete varying levels of energy. How is that possible? And when high energy matterless photons collide, they create electrons and positrons, matter and anti-matter appear. This is like magic, the realm of the imagined. Magic is real. Light can travel at lower speeds but the energy differential is the frequency of oscillation (of the propagating e/m waves), which is different and can be independent from the speed at which the wave propagates.
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Post by laughter on Sept 13, 2020 19:17:21 GMT -5
Trading physicality for information is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's just physicists getting a tiny baby step closer to Consciousness as Ground. That's something. Big boat .. little boat .. same destination.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 20:05:31 GMT -5
This is dedicated to Gopal, but it's two birds, one stone, also how I got my name (half, about minute 10). This astrophysicist is regularly on the Science channel, various programs including How the Universe Works. Cool video. I agree with her about science being an awe-inspiring thing. It discovers details about creation, but doesn't negate any "God" or "spiritual" thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 20:15:00 GMT -5
... I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. ... Really? Okay, the astrophysicist said that heavy metals are created in star explosions. Please, use your power to manifest a cube of solid gold on the desk/table in my motel room here. Let's make it 1 inch on each side. I will be so happy if you can prove to me that this kind of manifestation is possible.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 13, 2020 22:00:21 GMT -5
But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? What comes first, heads or tails? Chicken goes with the egg as heads goes with tails. They are two sides of one and the same idea. If you stop separating chicken and egg, heads and tales, the problem disappears.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 13, 2020 22:25:46 GMT -5
... I told her "If you see something in your mind's eye, you are going to manifest it. ... Really? Okay, the astrophysicist said that heavy metals are created in star explosions. Please, use your power to manifest a cube of solid gold on the desk/table in my motel room here. Let's make it 1 inch on each side. I will be so happy if you can prove to me that this kind of manifestation is possible. Not trying to answer for Gopal here, but that's not how it works. What you are basically asking Gopal to do is to create in your reality, which can't be done unless you allow that. And your skepticism is not allowing that. Your beliefs are blocking it from manifesting. You see, Tenka used to troll Enigma with this question "You say anything is possible, so tell me, can Marie give birth to a tank?" to which Enigma wisely replied, "Anything is possible". To Tenka that was a cop-out, and maybe it was, I don't know. But you see, manifesting something in your own reality is one thing, other creators being able to recognize what you've manifested is quite another. A shared reality is not an objective reality. Your task somewhat assumes an objective reality. You know the saying, seeing is believing. But in a personal creator context, the reverse, i.e. believing is seeing, is even more true/important. I don't know if that was actually the case, but it has been said that the indigenous people of South America didn't see the Spanish Armada coming and anchoring right before their shores because they had no concept of a huge boat or ship with sails so they literally didn't see that coming, for them it didn't exist, even though it was right there. In the same way, it is often impossible for people to see the misdeeds of people they love or admire, even though they misbehave right under their noses. They just can't see it and also can't be convinced of it, even if you show them evidence because according to their own reality-forming beliefs, it cannot be. And so (for them) it doesn't exist. This also works the other way, people can't see the good deeds of people they are convinced are rotten to the core. So if, in the unlikely case that Marie should actually give birth to a tank or that Gopal should manifest some gold cubes for you, LOA will actually make sure that you and Tenka won't be around to witness it or even hear about it, because it would go absolutely counter your core beliefs about reality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 23:20:38 GMT -5
Really? Okay, the astrophysicist said that heavy metals are created in star explosions. Please, use your power to manifest a cube of solid gold on the desk/table in my motel room here. Let's make it 1 inch on each side. I will be so happy if you can prove to me that this kind of manifestation is possible. Not trying to answer for Gopal here, but that's not how it works. What you are basically asking Gopal to do is to create in your reality, which can't be done unless you allow that. And your skepticism is not allowing that. Your beliefs are blocking it from manifesting. You see, Tenka used to troll Enigma with this question "You say anything is possible, so tell me, can Marie give birth to a tank?" to which Enigma wisely replied, "Anything is possible". To Tenka that was a cop-out, and maybe it was, I don't know. But you see, manifesting something in your own reality is one thing, other creators being able to recognize what you've manifested is quite another. A shared reality is not an objective reality. Your task somewhat assumes an objective reality. You know the saying, seeing is believing. But in a personal creator context, the reverse, i.e. believing is seeing, is even more true/important. I don't know if that was actually the case, but it has been said that the indigenous people of South America didn't see the Spanish Armada coming and anchoring right before their shores because they had no concept of a huge boat or ship with sails so they literally didn't see that coming, for them it didn't exist, even though it was right there. In the same way, it is often impossible for people to see the misdeeds of people they love or admire, even though they misbehave right under their noses. They just can't see it and also can't be convinced of it, even if you show them evidence because according to their own reality-forming beliefs, it cannot be. And so (for them) it doesn't exist. This also works the other way, people can't see the good deeds of people they are convinced are rotten to the core. So if, in the unlikely case that Marie should actually give birth to a tank or that Gopal should manifest some gold cubes for you, LOA will actually make sure that you and Tenka won't be around to witness it or even hear about it, because it would go absolutely counter your core beliefs about reality. I've seen some very odd *** in my life, and I'm open to the possibility that things are not as they seem. I'm also open to the possibility that someone could manifest a block of gold in front of me in the so-called material world. I've just never seen it, so if I had to make a bet, I'd guess it's not going to happen, but that's not the same as being 100% certain it cannot happen. I'd honestly love to be pleasantly surprised. Are you saying that everyone around you has to be 100% certain that you will manifest something, before you can do it? Every day, people get surprised or see things things they have never seen before. Come on guys! Do it! I will pawn the golden cube and send you 50% of the money.
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