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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 16:07:47 GMT -5
Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. Hmm, there's fear where I am in the UK. You see it in hunched shoulders of people shuffling round the shops, giving worried looks to the empty aisles. They seem to think that keeping your distance from someone means you can't look or smile at them. They've obviously not been on any silent retreats! It's like there's a deliberate tapping into a national memory of WWII - we're being told we're plucky Brits pulling together to "get through it". Even the public announcements with sound bites of Boris Johnson are put through some filter to make them echoey, crackly low quality like they're a radio broadcast from 75 years ago. At least the weather is good. I hope it reached you Peter, it moved many. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 26, 2020 16:40:06 GMT -5
I like to consume media from all over the spectrum because I find that you have to let the truth leak out from around the edges by inverse proportion to the measure of objectivity of the source. Masses of people here in the US have been inculcated to accept and believe in the old institutions as holding the highest truth - CNN, NYT, WashPost, Bloomberg, etc, and their local affiliates - and have been conditioned to do so unquestioningly. When this virus situation started I suggested to my son and daughter that they should - at the very least - watch both CNN and Fox News, in order to see at least two different sides to the issue. They have been doing so. My son said to me the other night "Dad, between CNN and Fox there is no middle way, they are 180 degrees apart." I said "Yes, that's true, but there is a middle way" and suggested that now that he has heard opposing arguments, he can now listen to his heart and make up his own mind. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2020 17:17:48 GMT -5
I like to consume media from all over the spectrum because I find that you have to let the truth leak out from around the edges by inverse proportion to the measure of objectivity of the source. Masses of people here in the US have been inculcated to accept and believe in the old institutions as holding the highest truth - CNN, NYT, WashPost, Bloomberg, etc, and their local affiliates - and have been conditioned to do so unquestioningly. When this virus situation started I suggested to my son and daughter that they should - at the very least - watch both CNN and Fox News, in order to see at least two different sides to the issue. They have been doing so. My son said to me the other night "Dad, between CNN and Fox there is no middle way, they are 180 degrees apart." I said "Yes, that's true, but there is a middle way" and suggested that now that he has heard opposing arguments, he can now listen to his heart and make up his own mind. Not for the sake of being deliberately contrary but I don't know how most people view the media, I can really only speak for myself. To my eye having a perspective is human nature, and it seems to me that the ideal of journalistic objectivity is one that faded away decades ago. What'd I'd further opine is that in terms of any process of becoming conscious of the content and dynamic of our own mind, the greatest opportunity lies with examining the veracity of our agreement with those who make us feel comfortable in our opinions about current events.  |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 26, 2020 17:36:51 GMT -5
not for the sake of being deliberately contrary but I don't know how most people view the media For one thing, think back to the last time you were in a waiting room or airport. CNN is everywhere. Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks, Chinese restaurants, local taverns, lots of different places. Crap loads of peeps are exposed to and influenced by CNN’s point of view of things on a daily basis. Someday I might talk about the power of suggestion - hypnosis - which I am fairly accomplished at. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:41:32 GMT -5
Hey all, I know many of them here from US. I read this message in my whatsapp today. What do you guys think about that? I notice that people like to believe conspiracy theories. They like to believe that there is a dark power manipulating things behind the scenes, despite evidence to the contrary. You see this in the conspiracy theories around the JFK assassination, the 9/11 attacks, and other similar events, and now they will likely grow around this coronavirus. You also see it around silly little things like the vapor trails behind jet engines. (It's a poison gas! Released by the government to control our minds!) The relative truth, supported by painstaking scientific experiment, doesn't feed some people's emotional/ego needs. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:50:19 GMT -5
Doesn't this definition apply to science as well? Funny! My opinion... In practice, yes, because many "scientists" get egos about their profession, their education, etc., and there is politics and group-think in science and academia. But on another level, no. Ideally, science is about finding truth through experiment. You should be able to practice it without believing much of anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 0:29:26 GMT -5
Hey all, I know many of them here from US. I read this message in my whatsapp today. What do you guys think about that? I notice that people like to believe conspiracy theories. They like to believe that there is a dark power manipulating things behind the scenes, despite evidence to the contrary. You see this in the conspiracy theories around the JFK assassination, the 9/11 attacks, and other similar events, and now they will likely grow around this coronavirus. You also see it around silly little things like the vapor trails behind jet engines. (It's a poison gas! Released by the government to control our minds!) The relative truth, supported by painstaking scientific experiment, doesn't feed some people's emotional/ego needs. Yes, I understood and agree completely. But actually I just wanted to know what American people think about that article, that's what I posted. |
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Post by Peter on Mar 27, 2020 1:10:43 GMT -5
It did Sharon yes thanks. I guess just because we're being told we're plucky Brits all pulling together in the face of adversity By Golly doesn't mean that we can't also be such.  |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 27, 2020 8:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 27, 2020 9:13:18 GMT -5
fixed video link above.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:13:50 GMT -5
Yes, I understood and agree completely. But actually I just wanted to know what American people think about that article, that's what I posted. Well, I'm from the USA, and I think article has several wrong ideas and is promoting a conspiracy theory without good evidence. I do think the Chinese behaved badly - first, by allowing the wild animal food market (which an infectious disease expert will tell you is super dangerous [1]), and second, by repressing and punishing the doctors that tried to warn everyone in the beginning. Sadly this is just China being typical China. I don't see any evidence of an intentional plot. The article mentions the Chinese numbers stopping. That's because they slowed testing and are not transparent with their numbers like western countries. [1]: Example, Joe Rogan interviewed Michael Osterholm recently. It's on youtube. At some point he says he wouldn't even be allowed to duplicate the wildlife market conditions in a lab because it would be considered too dangerous. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 27, 2020 11:41:14 GMT -5
Yes, I understood and agree completely. But actually I just wanted to know what American people think about that article, that's what I posted. Well, I'm from the USA, and I think article has several wrong ideas and is promoting a conspiracy theory without good evidence. I do think the Chinese behaved badly - first, by allowing the wild animal food market (which an infectious disease expert will tell you is super dangerous [1]), and second, by repressing and punishing the doctors that tried to warn everyone in the beginning. Sadly this is just China being typical China. I don't see any evidence of an intentional plot. The article mentions the Chinese numbers stopping. That's because they slowed testing and are not transparent with their numbers like western countries. [1]: Example, Joe Rogan interviewed Michael Osterholm recently. It's on youtube. At some point he says he wouldn't even be allowed to duplicate the wildlife market conditions in a lab because it would be considered too dangerous. OTOH: A research report that came out a few days ago concluded that the virus may not have got started in the wildlife market. Apparently bats have a virus that is about 95% the same as this coronavirus (which they have carried for quite a while), and the structure of the virus indicates that it probably mutated in a jump between a bat and another animal some time prior to the human outbreak. In all probability, the virus simply jumped from an animal to a human somewhere in Wuhan, and that's when the thing got going in humans. Yes, it could have made the jump in the animal market, and keeping so many different species of animals close together (most of which carry various viruses) is not a great idea, but research indicated that the structure of the virus is not something that was manipulated by humans. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 13:30:22 GMT -5
Yes, I understood and agree completely. But actually I just wanted to know what American people think about that article, that's what I posted. Well, I'm from the USA, and I think article has several wrong ideas and is promoting a conspiracy theory without good evidence. I do think the Chinese behaved badly - first, by allowing the wild animal food market (which an infectious disease expert will tell you is super dangerous [1]), and second, by repressing and punishing the doctors that tried to warn everyone in the beginning. Sadly this is just China being typical China. I don't see any evidence of an intentional plot. The article mentions the Chinese numbers stopping. That's because they slowed testing and are not transparent with their numbers like western countries. [1]: Example, Joe Rogan interviewed Michael Osterholm recently. It's on youtube. At some point he says he wouldn't even be allowed to duplicate the wildlife market conditions in a lab because it would be considered too dangerous. Yep, that's meaningful thinking. Thanks |
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2020 17:16:00 GMT -5
not for the sake of being deliberately contrary but I don't know how most people view the media For one thing, think back to the last time you were in a waiting room or airport. CNN is everywhere. Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks, Chinese restaurants, local taverns, lots of different places. Crap loads of peeps are exposed to and influenced by CNN’s point of view of things on a daily basis. Someday I might talk about the power of suggestion - hypnosis - which I am fairly accomplished at. Perhaps I'm just particularly inured to constant exposure to consensus that I don't agree with. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2020 17:19:19 GMT -5
Doesn't this definition apply to science as well? Funny! My opinion... In practice, yes, because many "scientists" get egos about their profession, their education, etc., and there is politics and group-think in science and academia. But on another level, no. Ideally, science is about finding truth through experiment. You should be able to practice it without believing much of anything. But even in the ideal, the scientist does their job based on assuming a given theory to be considered current consensus, and goes about either confirming, refining details or attempting to contradict that consensus. So there's definitely belief involved, it's just that it's belief that is well supported by theory and past experiment. What I found, personally, is that this is sort of a thread to a subconscious artifact that wasn't of my making. |
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