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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 1:25:21 GMT -5
Okay, thank you. You are an American too? I am. ok |
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Post by Peter on Mar 25, 2020 5:49:39 GMT -5
Hey all, I know many of them here from US. I read this message in my whatsapp today. What do you guys think about that? Well since you're asking Gopal, I think it's very unsubtle Republican propaganda. Really, Nancy Pelosi would endanger the lives of American citizens and cause the US economy to go into freefall just to get rid of Trump? Wow, someone really hates her. What do YOU think about it Gopal? You obviously didn't think of this as right wing propaganda, otherwise you wouldn't have continued the spread of this xenophobic fear mongering. Additionally (and I feel bad that my first post on this site in months has a negative vibe, but that's just where I am today) your use of "What do you guys think about that" is a classic Internet Arguing Technique. See #7 'The Innocent Question' here: www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/ |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 25, 2020 9:07:33 GMT -5
Hey all, I know many of them here from US. I read this message in my whatsapp today. What do you guys think about that? Well since you're asking Gopal, I think it's very unsubtle Republican propaganda. Really, Nancy Pelosi would endanger the lives of American citizens and cause the US economy to go into freefall just to get rid of Trump? Wow, someone really hates her. What do YOU think about it Gopal? You obviously didn't think of this as right wing propaganda, otherwise you wouldn't have continued the spread of this xenophobic fear mongering. Additionally (and I feel bad that my first post on this site in months has a negative vibe, but that's just where I am today) your use of "What do you guys think about that" is a classic Internet Arguing Technique. See #7 'The Innocent Question' here: www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/The only thing that is certain is that In The Game God can play some pretty vile characters. White hats and black hats are in the eye of the beholder. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 25, 2020 10:27:26 GMT -5
Well since you're asking Gopal, I think it's very unsubtle Republican propaganda. Really, Nancy Pelosi would endanger the lives of American citizens and cause the US economy to go into freefall just to get rid of Trump? Wow, someone really hates her. What do YOU think about it Gopal? You obviously didn't think of this as right wing propaganda, otherwise you wouldn't have continued the spread of this xenophobic fear mongering. Additionally (and I feel bad that my first post on this site in months has a negative vibe, but that's just where I am today) your use of "What do you guys think about that" is a classic Internet Arguing Technique. See #7 'The Innocent Question' here: www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/The only thing that is certain is that In The Game God can play some pretty vile characters. White hats and black hats are in the eye of the beholder. To my eye, expressed as opinion, the dilemma of all politics boils down two two cliche's: (1) power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (2) all evil men need to succeed is for good men to do nothing No resolution to this, not even with a third: that there is no good nor bad but that thinking makes it so. Relative perfection, is an oxymoron.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 12:38:33 GMT -5
Hey all, I know many of them here from US. I read this message in my whatsapp today. What do you guys think about that? Well since you're asking Gopal, I think it's very unsubtle Republican propaganda. Really, Nancy Pelosi would endanger the lives of American citizens and cause the US economy to go into freefall just to get rid of Trump? Wow, someone really hates her. What do YOU think about it Gopal? You obviously didn't think of this as right wing propaganda, otherwise you wouldn't have continued the spread of this xenophobic fear mongering. Additionally (and I feel bad that my first post on this site in months has a negative vibe, but that's just where I am today) your use of "What do you guys think about that" is a classic Internet Arguing Technique. See #7 'The Innocent Question' here: www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/Thanks for explaining Peter |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 25, 2020 19:02:32 GMT -5
The only thing that is certain is that In The Game God can play some pretty vile characters. White hats and black hats are in the eye of the beholder. To my eye, expressed as opinion, the dilemma of all politics boils down two two cliche's: (1) power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (2) all evil men need to succeed is for good men to do nothing No resolution to this, not even with a third: that there is no good nor bad but that thinking makes it so. Relative perfection, is an oxymoron. It's an interesting Game for sure. :-) Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. That could change on a dime I know, but the long term effects of the imposed stillness will be interesting to watch. It seems to be the leading edge of a paradigm shift imposed on a world scale. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 25, 2020 23:56:34 GMT -5
This may seem unrelated but I came across this interesting definition: Doesn't this definition apply to science as well? Funny!  |
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Post by Peter on Mar 26, 2020 1:53:02 GMT -5
Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. Hmm, there's fear where I am in the UK. You see it in hunched shoulders of people shuffling round the shops, giving worried looks to the empty aisles. They seem to think that keeping your distance from someone means you can't look or smile at them. They've obviously not been on any silent retreats! It's like there's a deliberate tapping into a national memory of WWII - we're being told we're plucky Brits pulling together to "get through it". Even the public announcements with sound bites of Boris Johnson are put through some filter to make them echoey, crackly low quality like they're a radio broadcast from 75 years ago. At least the weather is good. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2020 6:51:02 GMT -5
This may seem unrelated but I came across this interesting definition: Doesn't this definition apply to science as well? Funny! Yes. And it's also a darkly amusing philosophical/historical irony that the beliefs produced by science have stood the test of objective, skeptical inquiry, so they quite naturally form the basis of a new dogma.  Even worse, the skeptical inquiry is open-ended, so by admitting that they don't know, a secular humanist can place hope in the possibility of future knowledge, ie: the mind of a perpetual seeker. The only scientist I read take this through to it's logical conclusion of an analysis between the relationship of the known and the unknown was Heisenberg. It's just one more example of the limitations of intellect being front and center and obvious for anyone with any commonsense who simply wants to look, and see. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2020 7:03:54 GMT -5
To my eye, expressed as opinion, the dilemma of all politics boils down two two cliche's: (1) power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (2) all evil men need to succeed is for good men to do nothing No resolution to this, not even with a third: that there is no good nor bad but that thinking makes it so. Relative perfection, is an oxymoron. It's an interesting Game for sure. :-) Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. That could change on a dime I know, but the long term effects of the imposed stillness will be interesting to watch. It seems to be the leading edge of a paradigm shift imposed on a world scale. Bear in mind that most of the real-estate of the country is still relatively untouched, and you can bet there was fear driving the people who emptied out your shelves of toilet paper.  What I'd like to see during this time is publication of the total number of deaths in parallel with the pandemic body count. In normal times Italy works out to somewhere on the order of about 1500/day, so does that mean that their total death count over the past few weeks has been north of 2000? For the U.S. the number of deaths in 2018 was 2,839,205, which works out to 7778/day. The reason this interests me is because of the extremity of the actions we're taking to prevent deaths from this one cause .. what's the net result, and what would have been the net result with inaction? Not arguing against the measures taken so far, but the media, the politicians and the social shamer's have painted themselves into a corner: how can they suddenly just declare an all clear, and if they don't plan to, do they really think that the main of the population of the 'States and Western Europe ( .. etc .. ) are going to accept this as some sort of new normal of essentially living in a society with rigid social control dictated by the medical establishment? |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 26, 2020 8:19:20 GMT -5
Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. Hmm, there's fear where I am in the UK. You see it in hunched shoulders of people shuffling round the shops, giving worried looks to the empty aisles. They seem to think that keeping your distance from someone means you can't look or smile at them. They've obviously not been on any silent retreats! It's like there's a deliberate tapping into a national memory of WWII - we're being told we're plucky Brits pulling together to "get through it". Even the public announcements with sound bites of Boris Johnson are put through some filter to make them echoey, crackly low quality like they're a radio broadcast from 75 years ago. At least the weather is good. Interesting to see it through your eyes, Peter, and how different it is for you. Admittedly there was some initial apprehension and dread here too. As Laughter pointed out, toilet paper was one of the first things to be wiped off the shelves. Pardon the pun :-) But then it seems to have settled down into a certain kind of stillness/quietness. It's palpable and lovely here at the moment. I can't speak for the rest of the world. I only know that an opportunity to be still is being offered billions. And I think that many are actually secretly grateful to have been forced out of the daily grind and hustle and bustle of what their lives were before this. Not sure what to make of it all. Just making observations. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 26, 2020 8:21:08 GMT -5
It's an interesting Game for sure. :-) Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. That could change on a dime I know, but the long term effects of the imposed stillness will be interesting to watch. It seems to be the leading edge of a paradigm shift imposed on a world scale. Bear in mind that most of the real-estate of the country is still relatively untouched, and you can bet there was fear driving the people who emptied out your shelves of toilet paper. What I'd like to see during this time is publication of the total number of deaths in parallel with the pandemic body count. In normal times Italy works out to somewhere on the order of about 1500/day, so does that mean that their total death count over the past few weeks has been north of 2000? For the U.S. the number of deaths in 2018 was 2,839,205, which works out to 7778/day. The reason this interests me is because of the extremity of the actions we're taking to prevent deaths from this one cause .. what's the net result, and what would have been the net result with inaction? Not arguing against the measures taken so far, but the media, the politicians and the social shamer's have painted themselves into a corner: how can they suddenly just declare an all clear, and if they don't plan to, do they really think that the main of the population of the 'States and Western Europe ( .. etc .. ) are going to accept this as some sort of new normal of essentially living in a society with rigid social control dictated by the medical establishment? See what you make of this. Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised Lockdowns |
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Post by laughter on Mar 26, 2020 9:09:34 GMT -5
Bear in mind that most of the real-estate of the country is still relatively untouched, and you can bet there was fear driving the people who emptied out your shelves of toilet paper. What I'd like to see during this time is publication of the total number of deaths in parallel with the pandemic body count. In normal times Italy works out to somewhere on the order of about 1500/day, so does that mean that their total death count over the past few weeks has been north of 2000? For the U.S. the number of deaths in 2018 was 2,839,205, which works out to 7778/day. The reason this interests me is because of the extremity of the actions we're taking to prevent deaths from this one cause .. what's the net result, and what would have been the net result with inaction? Not arguing against the measures taken so far, but the media, the politicians and the social shamer's have painted themselves into a corner: how can they suddenly just declare an all clear, and if they don't plan to, do they really think that the main of the population of the 'States and Western Europe ( .. etc .. ) are going to accept this as some sort of new normal of essentially living in a society with rigid social control dictated by the medical establishment? See what you make of this. Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised LockdownsWhat I make of that is what I wrote about "intentionality" here, and Machiavelli here, with the additional thought that the various intentional use of the crises is going to be dynamic, so the motivations and reactions are going to change over time. Now, the article was an interesting read, thanks for posting it. But it's definitely written from a very specific political perspective. I like to consume media from all over the spectrum because I find that you have to let the truth leak out from around the edges by inverse proportion to the measure of objectivity of the source. In terms of how that relates to this particular writing, what I'd say is that they probably overestimate the sinister intentions of the "Covid Act Now" people (which, you might notice are actually, in the final analysis, only implied), as at least part of the motivation of the "Covid Act Now" people can be explained by them actually believing their own claims, at least, to some extent, with another facet being a deliberate over-emphasis on alarm because of the expected inertial counter-reaction. The people opposing this article will stand on the notion that the isolation actions saved lives and stress on the hospitals, which is why I'd like to start seeing publication of the total daily death count in comparison with the expected mean to keep the claims honest and in perspective. Another thing I'd like to see is a monitoring of average wait times at all of the commercial urgent-care's that have sprung up here in the 'States during the last decade as a measure of how many people are seeking treatment. If anyone want's to finance it I could field a robot to do that nationally with about a man month of resources. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 14:30:48 GMT -5
What I make of that is what I wrote about "intentionality" here, and Machiavelli here, with the additional thought that the various intentional use of the crises is going to be dynamic, so the motivations and reactions are going to change over time. Now, the article was an interesting read, thanks for posting it. But it's definitely written from a very specific political perspective. I like to consume media from all over the spectrum because I find that you have to let the truth leak out from around the edges by inverse proportion to the measure of objectivity of the source. In terms of how that relates to this particular writing, what I'd say is that they probably overestimate the sinister intentions of the "Covid Act Now" people (which, you might notice are actually, in the final analysis, only implied), as at least part of the motivation of the "Covid Act Now" people can be explained by them actually believing their own claims, at least, to some extent, with another facet being a deliberate over-emphasis on alarm because of the expected inertial counter-reaction. The people opposing this article will stand on the notion that the isolation actions saved lives and stress on the hospitals, which is why I'd like to start seeing publication of the total daily death count in comparison with the expected mean to keep the claims honest and in perspective.Another thing I'd like to see is a monitoring of average wait times at all of the commercial urgent-care's that have sprung up here in the 'States during the last decade as a measure of how many people are seeking treatment. If anyone want's to finance it I could field a robot to do that nationally with about a man month of resources. Not sure he can directly answer your request.. though he's one of the men talking about it. kityates.com/ |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 26, 2020 15:40:32 GMT -5
Funny though, how billions are being made to become still. The whole energy is peaceful where I'm at. The people that I see are appropriate and exhibit no fear. Hmm, there's fear where I am in the UK. You see it in hunched shoulders of people shuffling round the shops, giving worried looks to the empty aisles. They seem to think that keeping your distance from someone means you can't look or smile at them. They've obviously not been on any silent retreats! It's like there's a deliberate tapping into a national memory of WWII - we're being told we're plucky Brits pulling together to "get through it". Even the public announcements with sound bites of Boris Johnson are put through some filter to make them echoey, crackly low quality like they're a radio broadcast from 75 years ago. At least the weather is good. Yes, we are blessed with fine weather here today too. It's a gorgeous early Spring day. Here is about a 1 minute slice of it for you from earlier today. :-) |
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