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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:25:23 GMT -5
Why do you think that there would be a climate change? Any reason? I can sense it somehow, but what's the logic behind it? Oh I'm not saying climate change would be reversed in the first instance, just that massively reducing the amount of carbon dioxide we pump into the air would help prevent it from continuing to get worse in the medium term. okay. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 31, 2020 12:29:06 GMT -5
Yeah, if you are not very stable in your own alignment and follow the news all day long, you are going to end up at the very bottom of the emotional scale, at powerlessness. And down there at the bottom, your decisions are going to be suboptimal at best, no matter how much brainpower you are going to put into it. In fact, the more brainpower you are going to put into it when you are in such a state of mind/being, the more detrimental to your own well-being this might actually turn out. Stoic conditioning can immunize even a people-peep from that kind of effect, as they were the original source of the concept of the witness in Western culture. There's a fascinating opportunity for observation here. History demonstrates time-and-time again how cultural group-think reshapes the reality of the members of that group. Some of it is negative, such as war and oppression of one group by another, some of it is positive in terms of changes that led to civil order and advancements in technology, a broadening and peaceful influence on human perspective/experience generally (iow: education), and other cultural facets contributing to standard-of-life. It's easy, in retrospect, to see how deception and Machiavellian ploys were used to effect the negative movements of the past. It's easy to see the narratives of how people were manipulated into supporting war and tolerating oppression. Living in these interesting times (to paraphrase from the old Chinese curse), presents a challenge to identify that as it's happening in the present.  I'm finding it quite similar to the psychological aspect of becoming conscious of the content and dynamic of mind, with the mind at issue in this case, being that collective group-think. Right, on a superficial level, the stoics have some sound advice for times of crisis. But ultimately, the typical stoic has a rather negative outlook on life and as such stoicism is not in alignment with the natural flow of life. The skeptics, on the other hand, are a much happier bunch in comparison. My guess is, as long as there are people that are out of alignment, there will be Machiavellian tendencies, those who scheme and plot and those who become 'victims' of these schemes and plots. Sometimes this affects entire countries or continents. However, from a co-creation perspective, there isn't really such a thing as a victim in the usual sense of the word. There are only co-creators. And if people would just understand that good feels good and bad feels bad, we wouldn't have to worry about people taking advantage of others or people being taken advantage of by others. In the movie K-Pax, when the psychiatrist Dr. Powell asks Prot how they know right from wrong on his planet, Prot is amused at the question and replies: "Every being in the universe knows right from wrong, Mark." That's it in a nutshell! Point being, the solution to group or global problems is on the individual level if we want it to last. Which means going back to the basics, to good feels good and bad feels bad. Certainly, the point could be made that some movements or religions of the past did some good in terms of uplifting individual people, but in the long run, those guidelines or rules, the top down approach, is something artificial and people may get lost in the formalities. That's also something Jan discovered after his involvement with various Zen communities, some practitioners and even masters got totally lost in the rituals and formalities, and discipline turned into sadistic behavior without anyone even noticing it. In one of his books he mentioned a monk being hit by the ZM with a zen stick during sanzen. The monk didn't survive the blow. The police did never investigate. And no one in the Zen temple did seem to find that odd (except Jan). Maybe that's why Laozi regarded rules as a form of decline, he mentioned several stages of societal decline; the first starting with morality being held up, the next was common laws, the third severe punishments and so on... but then again, we are where we are. And I'm confident we'll figure it out as we go along. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 13:34:54 GMT -5
There are two things I've been using to enjoy the experiences still available to me. I'd like to share. One is a really cool mindfulness app put out by the VA. You can download it free from google play store. The other is Wim Hof breathing exercises. These are great stress reducers and help with my asthma, increase my lung capacity and physical confidence. There's a great line in Wim Hof's instruction that jives with the idea of being in a flow. "Let the body do what the body is capable of doing." Stay safe.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 31, 2020 19:26:02 GMT -5
There are two things I've been using to enjoy the experiences still available to me. I'd like to share. One is a really cool mindfulness app put out by the VA. You can download it free from google play store. The other is Wim Hof breathing exercises. These are great stress reducers and help with my asthma, increase my lung capacity and physical confidence. There's a great line in Wim Hof's instruction that jives with the idea of being in a flow. "Let the body do what the body is capable of doing." Stay safe. Thank you for your service! |
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 31, 2020 19:41:48 GMT -5
My mother used to joke : "you can live forever if you give up everything worth living for"   |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 1, 2020 14:29:51 GMT -5
In Singapore the government did extensive testing and contact tracing regarding the virus, and the CDC just issued a report partially based upon data collected by Singapore and other countries that have done the same thing. Among other things the Singapore authorities discovered that:
“Speech and other vocal activities such as singing have been shown to generate air particles, with the rate of emission corresponding to voice loudness.”
This explains what happened with the choir practice participants in Louisiana where every single person tested for the virus (after 27 symptomatic cases became known) had contracted the virus. The Singapore study also showed that at least 10% of cases were spread by people who were totally asymptomatic, and it concluded that the spread began occurring at least 3 days prior to any symptoms being noticed. This is why the virus is so difficult to stop--people are spreading it for three days or more even before they know they have it. Even worse, they're virus shedding through speech and breath.
Remember the crowded street scenes during Mardi Gras where people were shouting and singing in close proximity to one another? One of the primary vectors that triggered the outbreak in New Orleans is now pretty clear.
Fauci and Birx claimed the other day that if everyone in the USA followed the best practices recommendations, the number of American fatalities might be held between 100K and 200K, but the recommendations are NOT being followed judging by what's occurring in many states. Not even close, so what does that point to? Just consider the evidence.
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Post by justlikeyou on Apr 1, 2020 15:46:12 GMT -5
Where are all the happy campers?
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Post by justlikeyou on Apr 2, 2020 7:11:18 GMT -5
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Post by Peter on Apr 2, 2020 11:14:49 GMT -5
If I'd make an attempt to explain my perspective in detail on this forum, I wouldn't know where to start. And it would be off topic anyway. Definitely the wrong forum for this kind of discussion. But I'll see if I can send you a PM with a list of links that you can research by yourself. Yes please, just one or two would be enough and I can springboard from there. Ta! |
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Post by laughter on Apr 2, 2020 15:17:03 GMT -5
In Singapore the government did extensive testing and contact tracing regarding the virus, and the CDC just issued a report partially based upon data collected by Singapore and other countries that have done the same thing. Among other things the Singapore authorities discovered that: “Speech and other vocal activities such as singing have been shown to generate air particles, with the rate of emission corresponding to voice loudness.” This explains what happened with the choir practice participants in Louisiana where every single person tested for the virus (after 27 symptomatic cases became known) had contracted the virus. The Singapore study also showed that at least 10% of cases were spread by people who were totally asymptomatic, and it concluded that the spread began occurring at least 3 days prior to any symptoms being noticed. This is why the virus is so difficult to stop--people are spreading it for three days or more even before they know they have it. Even worse, they're virus shedding through speech and breath. Remember the crowded street scenes during Mardi Gras where people were shouting and singing in close proximity to one another? One of the primary vectors that triggered the outbreak in New Orleans is now pretty clear. Fauci and Birx claimed the other day that if everyone in the USA followed the best practices recommendations, the number of American fatalities might be held between 100K and 200K, but the recommendations are NOT being followed judging by what's occurring in many states. Not even close, so what does that point to? Just consider the evidence. Have you seen any reasonable and credible explanation for why Cali's current reported death count from corona is 1/10th of NY's? It's the same ratio for reported cases, but that could be explained - in part - because of the aggressive measures NYS has taken on testing. I can understand why the curve is behind in the mid and mountain west and in rural areas, but Cali's points of social contact with Asia are even tighter than NY's. ps: wore a mask out on errands today, and was glad I did in the grocery store. Statistically speaking, there was just no way that there wasn't someone in that store who was positive. On the flip side, net hospitalizations (admissions - discharge) were negative for NY yesterday, and had been flattening out for a few days, although I'm unclear as to whether the right-hand number includes deaths. Also, I'm reminded of how the nurse practitioner I saw in early Feb commented on how the cold and flu season had been particularly active this year, and I remember my body fighting off several different bouts of virus/cold, so we might have been seeing this far earlier than the models and the accepted data indicate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 16:42:21 GMT -5
In Singapore the government did extensive testing and contact tracing regarding the virus, and the CDC just issued a report partially based upon data collected by Singapore and other countries that have done the same thing. Among other things the Singapore authorities discovered that: “Speech and other vocal activities such as singing have been shown to generate air particles, with the rate of emission corresponding to voice loudness.” This explains what happened with the choir practice participants in Louisiana where every single person tested for the virus (after 27 symptomatic cases became known) had contracted the virus. The Singapore study also showed that at least 10% of cases were spread by people who were totally asymptomatic, and it concluded that the spread began occurring at least 3 days prior to any symptoms being noticed. This is why the virus is so difficult to stop--people are spreading it for three days or more even before they know they have it. Even worse, they're virus shedding through speech and breath. Remember the crowded street scenes during Mardi Gras where people were shouting and singing in close proximity to one another? One of the primary vectors that triggered the outbreak in New Orleans is now pretty clear. Fauci and Birx claimed the other day that if everyone in the USA followed the best practices recommendations, the number of American fatalities might be held between 100K and 200K, but the recommendations are NOT being followed judging by what's occurring in many states. Not even close, so what does that point to? Just consider the evidence. Have you seen any reasonable and credible explanation for why Cali's current reported death count from corona is 1/10th of NY's? It's the same ratio for reported cases, but that could be explained - in part - because of the aggressive measures NYS has taken on testing. I can understand why the curve is behind in the mid and mountain west and in rural areas, but Cali's points of social contact with Asia are even tighter than NY's. ps: wore a mask out on errands today, and was glad I did in the grocery store. Statistically speaking, there was just no way that there wasn't someone in that store who was positive. On the flip side, net hospitalizations (admissions - discharge) were negative for NY yesterday, and had been flattening out for a few days, although I'm unclear as to whether the right-hand number includes deaths. Also, I'm reminded of how the nurse practitioner I saw in early Feb commented on how the cold and flu season had been particularly active this year, and I remember my body fighting off several different bouts of virus/cold, so we might have been seeing this far earlier than the models and the accepted data indicate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 17:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by zendancer on Apr 2, 2020 22:05:43 GMT -5
In Singapore the government did extensive testing and contact tracing regarding the virus, and the CDC just issued a report partially based upon data collected by Singapore and other countries that have done the same thing. Among other things the Singapore authorities discovered that: “Speech and other vocal activities such as singing have been shown to generate air particles, with the rate of emission corresponding to voice loudness.” This explains what happened with the choir practice participants in Louisiana where every single person tested for the virus (after 27 symptomatic cases became known) had contracted the virus. The Singapore study also showed that at least 10% of cases were spread by people who were totally asymptomatic, and it concluded that the spread began occurring at least 3 days prior to any symptoms being noticed. This is why the virus is so difficult to stop--people are spreading it for three days or more even before they know they have it. Even worse, they're virus shedding through speech and breath. Remember the crowded street scenes during Mardi Gras where people were shouting and singing in close proximity to one another? One of the primary vectors that triggered the outbreak in New Orleans is now pretty clear. Fauci and Birx claimed the other day that if everyone in the USA followed the best practices recommendations, the number of American fatalities might be held between 100K and 200K, but the recommendations are NOT being followed judging by what's occurring in many states. Not even close, so what does that point to? Just consider the evidence. Have you seen any reasonable and credible explanation for why Cali's current reported death count from corona is 1/10th of NY's? It's the same ratio for reported cases, but that could be explained - in part - because of the aggressive measures NYS has taken on testing. I can understand why the curve is behind in the mid and mountain west and in rural areas, but Cali's points of social contact with Asia are even tighter than NY's. ps: wore a mask out on errands today, and was glad I did in the grocery store. Statistically speaking, there was just no way that there wasn't someone in that store who was positive. On the flip side, net hospitalizations (admissions - discharge) were negative for NY yesterday, and had been flattening out for a few days, although I'm unclear as to whether the right-hand number includes deaths. Also, I'm reminded of how the nurse practitioner I saw in early Feb commented on how the cold and flu season had been particularly active this year, and I remember my body fighting off several different bouts of virus/cold, so we might have been seeing this far earlier than the models and the accepted data indicate. L: There are several possible explanations, but more data is necessary before any definitive conclusions can be reached. Germany, as another example, has a very low death rate compared to the USA. Same same with Hong Kong and Taiwan, both of which have extensive connections with China. I agree about the efficacy of using a mask, but many stores now deliver groceries or will let you order online and place the groceries in the trunk of your car (eliminating the necessity of going indoors where there is a greater chance of being exposed to virus shedding). Virus loading seems to be a significant factor, and being indoors with asymptomatic carriers raises the risk appreciably. The virus was first identified in China in December, so although it's unlikely to have been in the USA in any appreciable degree much earlier than January, it apparently arrived here undetected because asymptomatic carriers were spreading it rather significantly during the first weeks of the year. By the time it was detected it had already begun to spread at an exponential rate. The average carrier infects 2.5 people, so until the infection rate drops below 1, the curve will continue to rise. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 3, 2020 8:22:56 GMT -5
Have you seen any reasonable and credible explanation for why Cali's current reported death count from corona is 1/10th of NY's? It's the same ratio for reported cases, but that could be explained - in part - because of the aggressive measures NYS has taken on testing. I can understand why the curve is behind in the mid and mountain west and in rural areas, but Cali's points of social contact with Asia are even tighter than NY's. ps: wore a mask out on errands today, and was glad I did in the grocery store. Statistically speaking, there was just no way that there wasn't someone in that store who was positive. On the flip side, net hospitalizations (admissions - discharge) were negative for NY yesterday, and had been flattening out for a few days, although I'm unclear as to whether the right-hand number includes deaths. Also, I'm reminded of how the nurse practitioner I saw in early Feb commented on how the cold and flu season had been particularly active this year, and I remember my body fighting off several different bouts of virus/cold, so we might have been seeing this far earlier than the models and the accepted data indicate. L: There are several possible explanations, but more data is necessary before any definitive conclusions can be reached. Germany, as another example, has a very low death rate compared to the USA. Same same with Hong Kong and Taiwan, both of which have extensive connections with China. I agree about the efficacy of using a mask, but many stores now deliver groceries or will let you order online and place the groceries in the trunk of your car (eliminating the necessity of going indoors where there is a greater chance of being exposed to virus shedding). Virus loading seems to be a significant factor, and being indoors with asymptomatic carriers raises the risk appreciably.
The virus was first identified in China in December, so although it's unlikely to have been in the USA in any appreciable degree much earlier than January, it apparently arrived here undetected because asymptomatic carriers were spreading it rather significantly during the first weeks of the year. By the time it was detected it had already begun to spread at an exponential rate. The average carrier infects 2.5 people, so until the infection rate drops below 1, the curve will continue to rise. is based on what the Chinese government reported, so it's not really of all that much value. What we're left with without a clear initial vector on the outbreak in time is speculation, and the anomaly between Cali and NY has two plausible explanations: (1) NYC density, especially on the subway. (2) Lack of reporting in Cali. IOW, some people who are dying and covid-positive aren't being identified as such. (1) would be a conventional theory in terms of the current expert narrative, and it's of a passing interest to note that noone driving that narrative has offered that particular explanation, and my guess is that's likely political. It's likely a significant factor, regardless of whether (2) is or not. Even without testing, a simple sample of the recent death rate (last three months) among the large homeless populations in LA and SF (the worst in the nation) compared to last year, would be informative as to the degree of potential veracity of (2). The only story I could find on a casual search was this, and from that, I'm skeptical that anyone even has much of an idea of how many homeless there are in those cities. Also, as I mentioned before, another interesting comparison would be the overall mortality rate, especially in NYC this past March, with March of 2019, and the demographic profile of those declared to have died because of covid, because it's still possible those numbers are inflated, in that at least some of those infections were incidental rather than causal. Another factor related to the possibility of (2) is that people are more likely to seek medical attention since the pandemic was declared, and if you weren't infected before you went to the hospital, your odds go way up once you do. This is reflected in the announcements telling people to stay away from emergency rooms unless they actually have trouble breathing, and the efforts that are being made to set up separate covid-specific triage areas and direct people concerned they might be infected to those areas. The supermarket we went to had suspended their service of parking-lot pick-up. They've since resumed but now you have to call ahead at least a day in advance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 8:24:01 GMT -5
Have you seen any reasonable and credible explanation for why Cali's current reported death count from corona is 1/10th of NY's? It's the same ratio for reported cases, but that could be explained - in part - because of the aggressive measures NYS has taken on testing. I can understand why the curve is behind in the mid and mountain west and in rural areas, but Cali's points of social contact with Asia are even tighter than NY's. ps: wore a mask out on errands today, and was glad I did in the grocery store. Statistically speaking, there was just no way that there wasn't someone in that store who was positive. On the flip side, net hospitalizations (admissions - discharge) were negative for NY yesterday, and had been flattening out for a few days, although I'm unclear as to whether the right-hand number includes deaths. Also, I'm reminded of how the nurse practitioner I saw in early Feb commented on how the cold and flu season had been particularly active this year, and I remember my body fighting off several different bouts of virus/cold, so we might have been seeing this far earlier than the models and the accepted data indicate. L: There are several possible explanations, but more data is necessary before any definitive conclusions can be reached. Germany, as another example, has a very low death rate compared to the USA. Same same with Hong Kong and Taiwan, both of which have extensive connections with China. I agree about the efficacy of using a mask, but many stores now deliver groceries or will let you order online and place the groceries in the trunk of your car (eliminating the necessity of going indoors where there is a greater chance of being exposed to virus shedding). Virus loading seems to be a significant factor, and being indoors with asymptomatic carriers raises the risk appreciably. The virus was first identified in China in December, so although it's unlikely to have been in the USA in any appreciable degree much earlier than January, it apparently arrived here undetected because asymptomatic carriers were spreading it rather significantly during the first weeks of the year. By the time it was detected it had already begun to spread at an exponential rate. The average carrier infects 2.5 people, so until the infection rate drops below 1, the curve will continue to rise. Well, NYC is a travel hub to Europe and other parts. Plus population density in NYC is three times greater than LA. Plus NYC is the commercial capital of the US and maybe the world. My daughter traveled there for business recently. My son stopped there on his way to India. |
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