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Post by inavalan on Sept 8, 2020 13:28:34 GMT -5
I will go back and look at this again. I essentially agree with you, that's why I said this is a tricky one. Your subconscious is like the iceberg part that below the water level, 9/10 versus the 1/10 "conscious mind". The subconscious is also like a giant ocean liner. What guides the liner? The rudder. But there is like a tiny rudder on the rudder, the trim tab. So who guides the trim tab? The Captain of the ship. But what drives the Captain? Mostly the subconscious. So the rudder guides the ship but the trim tab guides the rudder but the captain guides the trim tab but the Captain is guided by his subconscious. So is there any freedom here or is everything tied up in a massive feedback loop? The only point of freedom is in the present moment, at the wheel. So there is a very tiny gap of possible freedom, the present moment. Having not looked at the video again, yet, I think that's what Abraham is saying. The tiny point of freedom is a choice that can be made in the present moment. But it's only possibility. Most people continue in the feedback loop, and are not free. So yes, for most people, the subconscious is in control. But there is a way out. There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! Surely there is a subconscious. It is just that different people call it differently, and include under that name other parts or not, like the inner-self, dream-selves, etc.. Each one of those selves has its own distinct section of subconscious (all are parts of your whole self, personality). That is why they don't have the same memories. If you give yourself the suggestion to carry your wake conscious into your sleep and into your dreams (two distinct things, again) you'll be able to observe each phase, and recall better when you wake up. You'll also be able to access your conscious knowledge in those states, sleep and dream. |
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Post by inavalan on Sept 8, 2020 13:41:43 GMT -5
There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! Everything is relative to something else. It seems very few here have my paradigm of SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious, Intelligence) as Originating Wholeness. I take SOCI as aware of Itself. This can also be called The Absolute. It's the Originating Creativity. It was aware of the Whole, as it Was the Whole. It Is "your" Consciousness. Now, for some reason many here consider This thus defined as a Personal God. I've never understood that, don't understand that. But, anyway, in The Absolute there is no subconscious. Now, for creation to occur, SOCI had to form a space where it isn't, a void. This Void is like a Cosmic Egg. With the formation of the Void, SOCI began the process of hiding Itself, It divided Itself into 3, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Father is self-knowing, Son is self-knowing, Holy Ghost is self-knowing, but none now knows the Whole. But The Absolute (SOCI) still exists and still is self-knowing and knows as intimately as possible Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Now, these have many names. Father Spirit, Mother Nature, ?. Yang, Yin, Pivotal Point. Left Column, Right Column, Central Column. Positive force, Negative force (in the sense of polarity, not in the sense of evil), Neutralizing Force. The 3 Gunas, Rajas, Tamas, Sattva. Now the three forces do the creating, not The Absolute. The One becoming 3 was the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. So time and space began. Subsequently, a series of triads formed all we know of, and what we don't know of. Is Gopal aware of the Whole? Please say no. But The Absolute is still aware of everything, the Whole. A sparrow doesn't die and fall to the ground without The Absolute knowing. So, correct, no subconscious in that which is aware of the Whole. But in Gopal, yes, there is the subconscious, because Gopal is not aware of what's occurring across the galaxy, or across the universe. The way I understand it: - son = awake conscious ego, outer-self
- father = non-physical entity that incarnated in son; that isn't the inner-self, which is the part of the son that faces the plane where the father is
- holy ghost = source of inner-knowledge and guidance, non-physical guide who guides the son while allowing it complete free-will
There are other selves too, each one with its own resources of subconscious. The subconscious doesn't have the same same level of awareness. The self-realization is when the ego reaches the inner-self and stops in the door. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 14:16:42 GMT -5
There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! Surely there is a subconscious. It is just that different people call it differently, and include under that name other parts or not, like the inner-self, dream-selves, etc.. Each one of those selves has its own distinct section of subconscious (all are parts of your whole self, personality). That is why they don't have the same memories. If you give yourself the suggestion to carry your wake conscious into your sleep and into your dreams (two distinct things, again) you'll be able to observe each phase, and recall better when you wake up. You'll also be able to access your conscious knowledge in those states, sleep and dream. There is no storage within you! what can be stored ? Where can be stored? Awareness can only be aware of something. It is not even looking, looking is actually an interpretation of KNOWING which is happening within awareness. When you remember something, you are actually creating those those thoughts of memory. How are you sure that you are not a woman yesterday if you are man? How are you sure that you are not a man yesterday if you are woman? How can you know? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 14:22:26 GMT -5
There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! Everything is relative to something else. It seems very few here have my paradigm of SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious, Intelligence) as Originating Wholeness. I take SOCI as aware of Itself. This can also be called The Absolute. It's the Originating Creativity. It was aware of the Whole, as it Was the Whole. It Is "your" Consciousness. Now, for some reason many here consider This thus defined as a Personal God. I've never understood that, don't understand that. But, anyway, in The Absolute there is no subconscious. Now, for creation to occur, SOCI had to form a space where it isn't, a void. This Void is like a Cosmic Egg. With the formation of the Void, SOCI began the process of hiding Itself, It divided Itself into 3, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Father is self-knowing, Son is self-knowing, Holy Ghost is self-knowing, but none now knows the Whole. But The Absolute (SOCI) still exists and still is self-knowing and knows as intimately as possible Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Now, these have many names. Father Spirit, Mother Nature, ?. Yang, Yin, Pivotal Point. Left Column, Right Column, Central Column. Positive force, Negative force (in the sense of polarity, not in the sense of evil), Neutralizing Force. The 3 Gunas, Rajas, Tamas, Sattva. Now the three forces do the creating, not The Absolute. The One becoming 3 was the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. So time and space began. Subsequently, a series of triads formed all we know of, and what we don't know of. Is Gopal aware of the Whole? Please say no. But The Absolute is still aware of everything, the Whole. A sparrow doesn't die and fall to the ground without The Absolute knowing. So, correct, no subconscious in that which is aware of the Whole. But in Gopal, yes, there is the subconscious, because Gopal is not aware of what's occurring across the galaxy, or across the universe. What are you talking now? Does moon exist when you turn away? It just stop appearing because there is no objective reality. Said that, how do you know galaxy exist when you are not perceiving it? You can continue to travel via space for infinite time you would continue to create infinite galaxy in your perception. There is not an end to the creation. |
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Post by inavalan on Sept 8, 2020 15:46:16 GMT -5
Surely there is a subconscious. It is just that different people call it differently, and include under that name other parts or not, like the inner-self, dream-selves, etc.. Each one of those selves has its own distinct section of subconscious (all are parts of your whole self, personality). That is why they don't have the same memories. If you give yourself the suggestion to carry your wake conscious into your sleep and into your dreams (two distinct things, again) you'll be able to observe each phase, and recall better when you wake up. You'll also be able to access your conscious knowledge in those states, sleep and dream. There is no storage within you! what can be stored ? Where can be stored? Awareness can only be aware of something. It is not even looking, looking is actually an interpretation of KNOWING which is happening within awareness. When you remember something, you are actually creating those those thoughts of memory. How are you sure that you are not a woman yesterday if you are man? How are you sure that you are not a man yesterday if you are woman? How can you know? Your subconscious isn't inside the physical you. The physical you is in your subconscious. There is no KNOWING beyond that you exist, everything else you "know" is just beliefs. Again, " you" is a multidimensional you. The you that remembers consciously isn't the same with the you in your dream, isn't the same with the you that incarnated into this physical you, it is a different you for every type of projection. When the awake-you remembers, it doesn't create, it accesses. The present determines both its future and its past. There is no objective yesterday, there was no objective yesterday's awake-you. In the framework of the physical reality there is a set of root assumptions that makes this reality what it is. I believe that sex change, the way the awake-you implied, can't be done. But, your awareness can project into a different time, place, even reality. There is no objective physical reality. What the awake-you experiences is its own subconscious' creation, abiding those root assumptions. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 8, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -5
Everything is relative to something else. It seems very few here have my paradigm of SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious, Intelligence) as Originating Wholeness. I take SOCI as aware of Itself. This can also be called The Absolute. It's the Originating Creativity. It was aware of the Whole, as it Was the Whole. It Is "your" Consciousness. Now, for some reason many here consider This thus defined as a Personal God. I've never understood that, don't understand that. But, anyway, in The Absolute there is no subconscious. Now, for creation to occur, SOCI had to form a space where it isn't, a void. This Void is like a Cosmic Egg. With the formation of the Void, SOCI began the process of hiding Itself, It divided Itself into 3, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Father is self-knowing, Son is self-knowing, Holy Ghost is self-knowing, but none now knows the Whole. But The Absolute (SOCI) still exists and still is self-knowing and knows as intimately as possible Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Now, these have many names. Father Spirit, Mother Nature, ?. Yang, Yin, Pivotal Point. Left Column, Right Column, Central Column. Positive force, Negative force (in the sense of polarity, not in the sense of evil), Neutralizing Force. The 3 Gunas, Rajas, Tamas, Sattva. Now the three forces do the creating, not The Absolute. The One becoming 3 was the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. So time and space began. Subsequently, a series of triads formed all we know of, and what we don't know of. Is Gopal aware of the Whole? Please say no. But The Absolute is still aware of everything, the Whole. A sparrow doesn't die and fall to the ground without The Absolute knowing. So, correct, no subconscious in that which is aware of the Whole. But in Gopal, yes, there is the subconscious, because Gopal is not aware of what's occurring across the galaxy, or across the universe. What are you talking now? Does moon exist when you turn away? It just stop appearing because there is no objective reality. Said that, how do you know galaxy exist when you are not perceiving it? You can continue to travel via space for infinite time you would continue to create infinite galaxy in your perception. There is not an end to the creation. What you say is correct in terms of the world of Gopal (or anyone's world in terms of their own POV). And I know I can't argue against that. But I am not a solipsist. (And yes, the moon existed for millions of years before there was anyone here to observe it). |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 8, 2020 21:07:00 GMT -5
Hey Reefs, just wondering where this is from. Is it a youtube? It's from the 11/05/2005 workshop in Boca Raton, FL. There used to be entire A-H workshops on youtube. And I used to take extensive notes. Not sure if you can find that on youtube these days. |
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Post by esponja on Sept 8, 2020 23:17:50 GMT -5
Hey Reefs, just wondering where this is from. Is it a youtube? It's from the 11/05/2005 workshop in Boca Raton, FL. There used to be entire A-H workshops on youtube. And I used to take extensive notes. Not sure if you can find that on youtube these days. Gosh, they were talking about pandemics? Thank you so much for all you do to bring these teachings to this forum😊. |
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Post by esponja on Sept 8, 2020 23:28:24 GMT -5
Love to discuss this as I am a keen student of Dr Bruce Lipton who discusses the biology of beliefs. I know through my meditation practise how much was hidden in my subconscious that until you become aware or heal it actually shapes your life. I now help people see and change their subconscious beliefs and have seen so many achieve manifestations by aligning their expectations that I believe the subconscious is running the show. I think Bruce’s work with Abe’s is very powerful. I will go back and look at this again. I essentially agree with you, that's why I said this is a tricky one. Your subconscious is like the iceberg part that below the water level, 9/10 versus the 1/10 "conscious mind". The subconscious is also like a giant ocean liner. What guides the liner? The rudder. But there is like a tiny rudder on the rudder, the trim tab. So who guides the trim tab? The Captain of the ship. But what drives the Captain? Mostly the subconscious. So the rudder guides the ship but the trim tab guides the rudder but the captain guides the trim tab but the Captain is guided by his subconscious. So is there any freedom here or is everything tied up in a massive feedback loop? The only point of freedom is in the present moment, at the wheel. So there is a very tiny gap of possible freedom, the present moment. Having not looked at the video again, yet, I think that's what Abraham is saying. The tiny point of freedom is a choice that can be made in the present moment. But it's only possibility. Most people continue in the feedback loop, and are not free. So yes, for most people, the subconscious is in control. But there is a way out. I guess my issue is that I have not realised programming until I came up against myself in deep meditation (the now). Unconscious hurts, traumas etc can stay hidden and affect us if we don’t bring awareness to them. I can see how living ‘presently’ aware puts an end to all that very quickly. Most live in the feedback loop like you say. I dip in and out. When Abe say we can’t deactivate existing beliefs, I disagree because you can with the modality I use. You have to become aware of the limiting beliefs to make the changes in the now. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 8, 2020 23:52:47 GMT -5
It's from the 11/05/2005 workshop in Boca Raton, FL. There used to be entire A-H workshops on youtube. And I used to take extensive notes. Not sure if you can find that on youtube these days. Gosh, they were talking about pandemics? Thank you so much for all you do to bring these teachings to this forum😊. I just googled "2005 pandemic" and it seems it was the H5N1/bird flu thing. But it's always the same advice isn't it? Alignment first, everything else can wait. Alignment first, then act/decide however you like. Doesn't matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 13:00:01 GMT -5
There is no storage within you! what can be stored ? Where can be stored? Awareness can only be aware of something. It is not even looking, looking is actually an interpretation of KNOWING which is happening within awareness. When you remember something, you are actually creating those those thoughts of memory. How are you sure that you are not a woman yesterday if you are man? How are you sure that you are not a man yesterday if you are woman? How can you know? Your subconscious isn't inside the physical you. The physical you is in your subconscious. There is no KNOWING beyond that you exist, everything else you "know" is just beliefs. Again, " you" is a multidimensional you. The you that remembers consciously isn't the same with the you in your dream, isn't the same with the you that incarnated into this physical you, it is a different you for every type of projection. When the awake-you remembers, it doesn't create, it accesses. The present determines both its future and its past. There is no objective yesterday, there was no objective yesterday's awake-you. In the framework of the physical reality there is a set of root assumptions that makes this reality what it is. I believe that sex change, the way the awake-you implied, can't be done. But, your awareness can project into a different time, place, even reality. There is no objective physical reality. What the awake-you experiences is its own subconscious' creation, abiding those root assumptions. I am not pointing at physical you, I am directly pointing at Consciousness, This Consciousness doesn't have any subconsciousness. It creates while it perceives.
The you which perceives the physical reality and the same you perceives the nightly dream as well. It creates differently.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 13:02:40 GMT -5
What are you talking now? Does moon exist when you turn away? It just stop appearing because there is no objective reality. Said that, how do you know galaxy exist when you are not perceiving it? You can continue to travel via space for infinite time you would continue to create infinite galaxy in your perception. There is not an end to the creation. What you say is correct in terms of the world of Gopal (or anyone's world in terms of their own POV). And I know I can't argue against that. But I am not a solipsist. (And yes, the moon existed for millions of years before there was anyone here to observe it). If you agree with me that you can't know whether objective outer world, then you are agreeing with me too.
What if there is no outer world? Then moon exist only in your perception. Said that you can travel via space to infinite distance and you continue to create different galaxies.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 11, 2020 14:11:10 GMT -5
What you say is correct in terms of the world of Gopal (or anyone's world in terms of their own POV). And I know I can't argue against that. But I am not a solipsist. (And yes, the moon existed for millions of years before there was anyone here to observe it). If you agree with me that you can't know whether objective outer world, then you are agreeing with me too.
What if there is no outer world? Then moon exist only in your perception. Said that you can travel via space to infinite distance and you continue to create different galaxies.
No, we've done this dance before. I do not agree with you. I cannot prove you are wrong but that does not mean I agree with you. I have no reason to doubt the existence of the exterior world. I don't create anything. I perceive. I can see light from stars and galaxies billions of miles away, millions of light-years. Why would Consciousness give the appearance all this is occurring now? Easier to assume the exterior world exists, light travels in time and space according to physical laws of how things operate exist, etc., etc. Relative time exists. Astronomers can surmise the history of the moon, how it was formed, from evidence. From where I am sitting I can see my mail carrier out of the corner of my eye through the glass of my door, sometimes. Sometimes I see sometimes I don't. If I see I can get up and go outside and get my mail. If I don't see I can go check my mail by 6:00 and it will usually be there. If I see the mail truck I do not think I am creating a mail truck. If I don't see the mail truck, but my mail is there when I look, I assume (know really) that the mail truck came earlier and my mailman left my mail, earlier. I do not assume that I magically create my mail when I open my mailbox. Same with the moon and stars and galaxies. Now, yes, I understand all this is occurring in Consciousness, in my consciousness in Consciousness. Perceiving, occurring, but I am not creating things and events. Occurring in my brain (which exists in an exterior world), in my consciousness, in Consciousness. Another annoying example because of COVID-19. For most TV interviews the people are not in a studio together, one or both are at home. So most of the time there is a time delay between the question and the answer. So there is a pause and there is a lot of time people talk at the same time talking over one another. If everything is happening in Consciousness, IOW no exterior world, why would Consciousness begin operating in such a manner? Why would Consciousness deceive us by giving the impression an exterior world exists?...if it doesn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 11:09:45 GMT -5
If you agree with me that you can't know whether objective outer world, then you are agreeing with me too.
What if there is no outer world? Then moon exist only in your perception. Said that you can travel via space to infinite distance and you continue to create different galaxies.
No, we've done this dance before. I do not agree with you. I cannot prove you are wrong but that does not mean I agree with you. I have no reason to doubt the existence of the exterior world. I don't create anything. I perceive. I can see light from stars and galaxies billions of miles away, millions of light-years. Why would Consciousness give the appearance all this is occurring now? Easier to assume the exterior world exists, light travels in time and space according to physical laws of how things operate exist, etc., etc. Relative time exists. Astronomers can surmise the history of the moon, how it was formed, from evidence. From where I am sitting I can see my mail carrier out of the corner of my eye through the glass of my door, sometimes. Sometimes I see sometimes I don't. If I see I can get up and go outside and get my mail. If I don't see I can go check my mail by 6:00 and it will usually be there. If I see the mail truck I do not think I am creating a mail truck. If I don't see the mail truck, but my mail is there when I look, I assume (know really) that the mail truck came earlier and my mailman left my mail, earlier. I do not assume that I magically create my mail when I open my mailbox. Same with the moon and stars and galaxies. Now, yes, I understand all this is occurring in Consciousness, in my consciousness in Consciousness. Perceiving, occurring, but I am not creating things and events. Occurring in my brain (which exists in an exterior world), in my consciousness, in Consciousness. Another annoying example because of COVID-19. For most TV interviews the people are not in a studio together, one or both are at home. So most of the time there is a time delay between the question and the answer. So there is a pause and there is a lot of time people talk at the same time talking over one another. If everything is happening in Consciousness, IOW no exterior world, why would Consciousness begin operating in such a manner? Why would Consciousness deceive us by giving the impression an exterior world exists?...if it doesn't. You can give 1000s of example like this but when you can't prove I am wrong, You are including the possibility that outer world doesn't in itself. If it doesn't exist in itself, are you not creating while you are perceiving? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 12, 2020 11:18:17 GMT -5
No, we've done this dance before. I do not agree with you. I cannot prove you are wrong but that does not mean I agree with you. I have no reason to doubt the existence of the exterior world. I don't create anything. I perceive. I can see light from stars and galaxies billions of miles away, millions of light-years. Why would Consciousness give the appearance all this is occurring now? Easier to assume the exterior world exists, light travels in time and space according to physical laws of how things operate exist, etc., etc. Relative time exists. Astronomers can surmise the history of the moon, how it was formed, from evidence. From where I am sitting I can see my mail carrier out of the corner of my eye through the glass of my door, sometimes. Sometimes I see sometimes I don't. If I see I can get up and go outside and get my mail. If I don't see I can go check my mail by 6:00 and it will usually be there. If I see the mail truck I do not think I am creating a mail truck. If I don't see the mail truck, but my mail is there when I look, I assume (know really) that the mail truck came earlier and my mailman left my mail, earlier. I do not assume that I magically create my mail when I open my mailbox. Same with the moon and stars and galaxies. Now, yes, I understand all this is occurring in Consciousness, in my consciousness in Consciousness. Perceiving, occurring, but I am not creating things and events. Occurring in my brain (which exists in an exterior world), in my consciousness, in Consciousness. Another annoying example because of COVID-19. For most TV interviews the people are not in a studio together, one or both are at home. So most of the time there is a time delay between the question and the answer. So there is a pause and there is a lot of time people talk at the same time talking over one another. If everything is happening in Consciousness, IOW no exterior world, why would Consciousness begin operating in such a manner? Why would Consciousness deceive us by giving the impression an exterior world exists?...if it doesn't. You can give 1000s of example like this but when you can't prove I am wrong, You are including the possibility that outer world doesn't in itself. If it doesn't exist in itself, are you not creating while you are perceiving? I'm not interested in logic. |
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