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Post by andrew on Aug 31, 2020 9:17:25 GMT -5
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Post by tenka on Aug 31, 2020 14:13:35 GMT -5
Just saying hi mate ... Hope you and your family are well ...
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Post by andrew on Aug 31, 2020 15:58:44 GMT -5
Just saying hi mate ... Hope you and your family are well ... Hey mate...yeah, all good cheers. August was a slowish month for me, was finally able to hold a small wake which gave some closure to people around me, which is good. Can sense September might be...interesting. Hope you and your family are well, you still meditating a fair bit?  |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 31, 2020 21:58:48 GMT -5
That was actually lovely Yes, I think I'm right in saying that the subject of contrast has been given particular emphasis this year by Abe, and some of the things they've said have been both slightly surprising and quite delightful. I find it interesting how their message is evolving with the times. Obviously Abe-Hicks teachings aren't without their flaws....and I don't mean they are mistaken in what they say, I just mean that human individuality is complex and diverse and there are times when Abe-Hicks just isn't the 'right set of tools for job'. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that if one is manifesting...say....the seeming opposite of financial flow, that they are making a mistake, or failing, or something of the sort (the humorous example you gave before is illustrative). So I think their focus this year on enjoying contrast is a PARTICULARLY useful one....and for me too. There must be some special software to create these kind of songs. I think their message is still the same. But Esther (and her language) is evolving and their audience has changed, too. In the early days, they had gatherings with a handful of people, friends and neighbors, always the same group it seemed. Very new-agey people. The early recordings have a feeling of a fireside chat. Very intimate conversations, very specific topics and to the point. Then it got bigger, huge crowds, they went on cruises and it all got a more general mainstream touch. After Jerry died, Esther cut down workshops from 4-5 hours to just 2-3 hours. This year, due to the microbe incident, it's all online, just 1 hour with no actual live audience. So while the message, IMO, is the same, the focus and the presentation of that message has changed significantly over the years. Seth once pointed out to Rob and Jane (who were obviously abject failures in the eyes of society and also felt that way) that popular ideas of a successful life can be very misleading, because not everyone comes with the same intention, some in their development are more outer life oriented, and some are more inner life oriented. Yes, Abe is not for everyone in every situation. Because they are on the upper end of the emotional scale, they will just annoy your with their message when you are hanging around at the extreme lower ends of that scale. And when you are on the extreme upper end of that scale, you won't need them anyway, you already know and can feel everything they teach is true and can see it right before your eyes. So I'd say Abe is a waste of time for folks on the extreme ends of the scale. But they are extremely useful if you are hanging around there in the middle and want to move up that scale. |
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Post by tenka on Sept 1, 2020 5:30:49 GMT -5
Just saying hi mate ... Hope you and your family are well ... Hey mate...yeah, all good cheers. August was a slowish month for me, was finally able to hold a small wake which gave some closure to people around me, which is good. Can sense September might be...interesting. Hope you and your family are well, you still meditating a fair bit? Glad you managed to do the wake mate, another death in our family (well strictly speaking it was my mums fellas mum) so no blood relation but a death nevertheless . She had a good innings so to speak. My clan are okay, I am still out of work which is pain, it's all I hear of late with people being made redundant . It's funny I applied for a print supervisors job at a multi-national company and the job agency woman said congratulations you have been accepted for the interview stage .. I thought Jesus Christ, now we are being congratulated for reaching the interview stage now lol . Unfortunately my experience was only managing a printers studio and not a complete company hehe, so I didn't get the job, but it wasn't meant to be I dare say .. My old work colleagues have been applying for part time cleaners and pig farming jobs and can't even get to the interview stage . Your either over or under qualified for a job or if you do get an interview you have another 100 peeps to compete with . So yer, I am meditating may arse off at the moment, doing double shifts on that score and have got into my yoga again, which has been excellent .. I had an email today actually from a printers 40 minutes away from me who offered me a bit of part time work before the lockdown hit everyone hard and now they are only operating on a skeleton crew at the moment .. I am keeping my options open to do near on anything at the moment haha but something will come up (fingers crossed). I noticed that the nhs were after spiritual healers, but Sod's law in that they don't want any in my area .. My mums fella went on the big demo in London on Saturday and saw David Icke there .. He said there was a good vibe there .. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2020 11:31:26 GMT -5
Abe: If you will begin directing your attention based more upon how it feels, which is, your in-the-moment vibrational sensor of what you’re doing creatively, then, you can change your world into anything you want in a very short period of time. But if you are a keen observer of what has been created, and some of it pleases you and some of it doesn’t, then you’re messing up your vibration with a part of it that doesn’t please you, and you’re using as your excuse, “it’s true, it’s reality.”
And we say, so what? So what? Anything that’s true just means somebody gave their attention to it long enough to make it true. And then, when you come along behind and say, well, somebody is spreading a rumor based upon something that doesn’t have anything to do with me, and then they’re putting a label on it and calling it “pandemic”. Must be big. Not even e-p-i; it’s p-a-n. Pan-demic! Do you know how big pandemic is? Pandemic means, everybody on the planet should be afraid of this all at the same time. And we say, we have never, ever seen anything like that, and we’ve seen everything.
So, when you are faced with realities that are being offered to you by someone else, and you’re not using your sensing mechanism as the criteria about the validity of the importance of it to you, but you are taking somebody else’s word for it. “They said it’s important, so I should give it my undivided attention.” And what you’ve got to begin to notice, is that what they keep thinking is important, that they keep thinking that you should give your undivided attention to, is stuff that feels bad when you give your undivided attention to it.
And we say, somebody’s forgotten completely about their own Guidance System. Somehow, you’ve set it aside and you’re letting somebody else decide what is important. And we say, we would (if we were standing in your physical shoes), get hold of our own guidance mechanism and we would leave all of them out of the equation—because their motives are different than your best interests.
And we’re not just talking about the spreader of the word “pandemic”. We’re talking about anyone who seeks to influence anyone for any reason. Because we want you to understand that you are extensions of Source Energy. Sometimes, we don’t think you really get what that means.
That means, you didn’t just get started here in this physical body. That means, you are Consciousness, genius Consciousness, that which you call God Consciousness, here in this physical body. And here you are, out here on the leading edge of thought. And you joyously came into this environment of great variety, knowing that it would inspire within you new sensations of desire.
Abraham-Hicks, 2005
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Post by andrew on Sept 5, 2020 10:11:15 GMT -5
Hey mate...yeah, all good cheers. August was a slowish month for me, was finally able to hold a small wake which gave some closure to people around me, which is good. Can sense September might be...interesting. Hope you and your family are well, you still meditating a fair bit? Glad you managed to do the wake mate, another death in our family (well strictly speaking it was my mums fellas mum) so no blood relation but a death nevertheless . She had a good innings so to speak. My clan are okay, I am still out of work which is pain, it's all I hear of late with people being made redundant . It's funny I applied for a print supervisors job at a multi-national company and the job agency woman said congratulations you have been accepted for the interview stage .. I thought Jesus Christ, now we are being congratulated for reaching the interview stage now lol . Unfortunately my experience was only managing a printers studio and not a complete company hehe, so I didn't get the job, but it wasn't meant to be I dare say .. My old work colleagues have been applying for part time cleaners and pig farming jobs and can't even get to the interview stage . Your either over or under qualified for a job or if you do get an interview you have another 100 peeps to compete with . So yer, I am meditating may arse off at the moment, doing double shifts on that score and have got into my yoga again, which has been excellent .. I had an email today actually from a printers 40 minutes away from me who offered me a bit of part time work before the lockdown hit everyone hard and now they are only operating on a skeleton crew at the moment .. I am keeping my options open to do near on anything at the moment haha but something will come up (fingers crossed). I noticed that the nhs were after spiritual healers, but Sod's law in that they don't want any in my area .. My mums fella went on the big demo in London on Saturday and saw David Icke there .. He said there was a good vibe there .. Hey...pm'ed a reply  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 12:09:48 GMT -5
This is something very well written. This is the very first thing I observed very long time ago when I was practicing this reality creation techniques. And this knowing placed me to control my emotion to change the world around me but later I found that that change as a result of your change in emotion is not permanent because controlling your reaction towards the situation is another creation. Real change comes on our way only through clarity, Only when change happens by itself, it's permanent, otherwise it would be back to where you were. If the jump is too far in terms of vibration, the change is less likely to last. Quantum leaps usually don't last. People tend to go back to their most practiced vibration (see lottery winners who rise from poverty and soon end up poor again). Changes are most likely to last when it feels like the next logical step, i.e. somewhat like a natural evolution. I just don't view the reality in terms of vibration. I carefully observe the reality from my own view point without concluding anything, it always reveal something to me. You may want to read here this, I have posted this in gab spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/60014/thread
Well said. As with most of what we talk about, acceptance is an absence; an absence of struggle with what is, and this absence doesn't manifest the presence of 'liking'. Liking or not liking can be present along with acceptance. I write what I see. Acceptance is not expecting anything other than what's presented. But what I observed was, In certain places, I accepted the situation as it was(by dropping out all the changes I want), but it just created what I desired. This kind of thing happened many a times. Let me tell you an example, the place I am living in doesn't have the road, I was strongly expecting a road, I hope that Government would make the decision to bring the road for our place. Years went by but nothing happened, whenever there is rain, I suffer a bit because my bike tires are filled with rainy mud which I had to clean it. There comes a day when there was no rain and water level went down, so we people started suffering for water, I stay here in a home where there are 6 homes are together, so once water went down or stop coming we have to wait for another 3 hours to get water, this created a hectic situation for me. That time I heard from somebody that If they put a road here, Water still goes down because rain water doesn't go into the ground, that time I completely drop the idea of expecting a road and I started with it's okay to not to have the road here, I came to the decision that I can adjust, it's okay to be this way. There is a strong acceptance now without expecting the road, It's not even a month I guess, Government took a decision to bring the road in my place and it took another month that they cleanly put the road, As I expected, water level did not go down, rain is good, enough of water is in the bore. This is the one example I am giving you and this way I experience few others as well.
And another thing is, there are some time I strongly desire for certain things which I would forget it later but that too come on my way. I just don't assume something and write here. I write what I see .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 12:13:38 GMT -5
I sometimes desires particular future so strongly but afterwards I would forget about that but sooner or later I will be there. But when I desire so strongly and expecting it to happen, that surely wouldn't happen. But I also observed that having the very strong desire is also not in my hand, it just happens. What I feel is, strong desire is the indication for upcoming future but not a strong desire with expectation. This is the quantum leap vs. the next logical step thing. And yes, you can't really choose your desires. Just ask people here why and how they chose to become seekers.  Manifestation happens with two steps
1)After the strong desire(which you can't create),you may happen to forget about it, it will surely come on your way.(Not trying to attain it)
2)As I have explained in my last post, once the chasing stopped, and when there is complete acceptance, it will come on our way.
I see this happens, I don't know why it moves this way. But somehow I understand that when there is an inner acceptance, it reflects the outer.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 7, 2020 14:07:55 GMT -5
If the jump is too far in terms of vibration, the change is less likely to last. Quantum leaps usually don't last. People tend to go back to their most practiced vibration (see lottery winners who rise from poverty and soon end up poor again). Changes are most likely to last when it feels like the next logical step, i.e. somewhat like a natural evolution. I just don't view the reality in terms of vibration. I carefully observe the reality from my own view point without concluding anything, it always reveal something to me. You may want to read here this, I have posted this in gab spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/60014/thread
I write what I see. Acceptance is not expecting anything other than what's presented. But what I observed was, In certain places, I accepted the situation as it was(by dropping out all the changes I want), but it just created what I desired. This kind of thing happened many a times. Let me tell you an example, the place I am living in doesn't have the road, I was strongly expecting a road, I hope that Government would make the decision to bring the road for our place. Years went by but nothing happened, whenever there is rain, I suffer a bit because my bike tires are filled with rainy mud which I had to clean it. There comes a day when there was no rain and water level went down, so we people started suffering for water, I stay here in a home where there are 6 homes are together, so once water went down or stop coming we have to wait for another 3 hours to get water, this created a hectic situation for me. That time I heard from somebody that If they put a road here, Water still goes down because rain water doesn't go into the ground, that time I completely drop the idea of expecting a road and I started with it's okay to not to have the road here, I came to the decision that I can adjust, it's okay to be this way. There is a strong acceptance now without expecting the road, It's not even a month I guess, Government took a decision to bring the road in my place and it took another month that they cleanly put the road, As I expected, water level did not go down, rain is good, enough of water is in the bore. This is the one example I am giving you and this way I experience few others as well.
And another thing is, there are some time I strongly desire for certain things which I would forget it later but that too come on my way. I just don't assume something and write here. I write what I see .
Vibration is just Hick's interpretation of what she gets. Every channel distorts. People should stop hoping and worrying, and should start more wishing. Don't wonder about the future, wish it! Decide what you want, and expect it! In your example, it wasn't the dropping of your desires that yielded results, but the dropping of the fears that your desires won't materialize. |
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Post by esponja on Sept 7, 2020 21:27:10 GMT -5
Abe: If you will begin directing your attention based more upon how it feels, which is, your in-the-moment vibrational sensor of what you’re doing creatively, then, you can change your world into anything you want in a very short period of time. But if you are a keen observer of what has been created, and some of it pleases you and some of it doesn’t, then you’re messing up your vibration with a part of it that doesn’t please you, and you’re using as your excuse, “it’s true, it’s reality.” And we say, so what? So what? Anything that’s true just means somebody gave their attention to it long enough to make it true. And then, when you come along behind and say, well, somebody is spreading a rumor based upon something that doesn’t have anything to do with me, and then they’re putting a label on it and calling it “pandemic”. Must be big. Not even e-p-i; it’s p-a-n. Pan-demic! Do you know how big pandemic is? Pandemic means, everybody on the planet should be afraid of this all at the same time. And we say, we have never, ever seen anything like that, and we’ve seen everything. So, when you are faced with realities that are being offered to you by someone else, and you’re not using your sensing mechanism as the criteria about the validity of the importance of it to you, but you are taking somebody else’s word for it. “They said it’s important, so I should give it my undivided attention.” And what you’ve got to begin to notice, is that what they keep thinking is important, that they keep thinking that you should give your undivided attention to, is stuff that feels bad when you give your undivided attention to it. And we say, somebody’s forgotten completely about their own Guidance System. Somehow, you’ve set it aside and you’re letting somebody else decide what is important. And we say, we would (if we were standing in your physical shoes), get hold of our own guidance mechanism and we would leave all of them out of the equation—because their motives are different than your best interests. And we’re not just talking about the spreader of the word “pandemic”. We’re talking about anyone who seeks to influence anyone for any reason. Because we want you to understand that you are extensions of Source Energy. Sometimes, we don’t think you really get what that means. That means, you didn’t just get started here in this physical body. That means, you are Consciousness, genius Consciousness, that which you call God Consciousness, here in this physical body. And here you are, out here on the leading edge of thought. And you joyously came into this environment of great variety, knowing that it would inspire within you new sensations of desire. Abraham-Hicks, 2005 Hey Reefs, just wondering where this is from. Is it a youtube? |
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Post by esponja on Sept 8, 2020 1:07:22 GMT -5
This is a tricky one, why it's not really the subconscious that's effecting control of the events in your life, but it's the present-thoughts one is having. The questioner even gives an example of a dream that corroborates this which Abraham acknowledges. Love to discuss this as I am a keen student of Dr Bruce Lipton who discusses the biology of beliefs. I know through my meditation practise how much was hidden in my subconscious that until you become aware or heal it actually shapes your life. I now help people see and change their subconscious beliefs and have seen so many achieve manifestations by aligning their expectations that I believe the subconscious is running the show. I think Bruce’s work with Abe’s is very powerful. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 8, 2020 11:31:11 GMT -5
This is a tricky one, why it's not really the subconscious that's effecting control of the events in your life, but it's the present-thoughts one is having. The questioner even gives an example of a dream that corroborates this which Abraham acknowledges. Love to discuss this as I am a keen student of Dr Bruce Lipton who discusses the biology of beliefs. I know through my meditation practise how much was hidden in my subconscious that until you become aware or heal it actually shapes your life. I now help people see and change their subconscious beliefs and have seen so many achieve manifestations by aligning their expectations that I believe the subconscious is running the show. I think Bruce’s work with Abe’s is very powerful. I will go back and look at this again. I essentially agree with you, that's why I said this is a tricky one. Your subconscious is like the iceberg part that below the water level, 9/10 versus the 1/10 "conscious mind". The subconscious is also like a giant ocean liner. What guides the liner? The rudder. But there is like a tiny rudder on the rudder, the trim tab. So who guides the trim tab? The Captain of the ship. But what drives the Captain? Mostly the subconscious. So the rudder guides the ship but the trim tab guides the rudder but the captain guides the trim tab but the Captain is guided by his subconscious. So is there any freedom here or is everything tied up in a massive feedback loop? The only point of freedom is in the present moment, at the wheel. So there is a very tiny gap of possible freedom, the present moment. Having not looked at the video again, yet, I think that's what Abraham is saying. The tiny point of freedom is a choice that can be made in the present moment. But it's only possibility. Most people continue in the feedback loop, and are not free. So yes, for most people, the subconscious is in control. But there is a way out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 12:12:23 GMT -5
Love to discuss this as I am a keen student of Dr Bruce Lipton who discusses the biology of beliefs. I know through my meditation practise how much was hidden in my subconscious that until you become aware or heal it actually shapes your life. I now help people see and change their subconscious beliefs and have seen so many achieve manifestations by aligning their expectations that I believe the subconscious is running the show. I think Bruce’s work with Abe’s is very powerful. I will go back and look at this again. I essentially agree with you, that's why I said this is a tricky one. Your subconscious is like the iceberg part that below the water level, 9/10 versus the 1/10 "conscious mind". The subconscious is also like a giant ocean liner. What guides the liner? The rudder. But there is like a tiny rudder on the rudder, the trim tab. So who guides the trim tab? The Captain of the ship. But what drives the Captain? Mostly the subconscious. So the rudder guides the ship but the trim tab guides the rudder but the captain guides the trim tab but the Captain is guided by his subconscious. So is there any freedom here or is everything tied up in a massive feedback loop? The only point of freedom is in the present moment, at the wheel. So there is a very tiny gap of possible freedom, the present moment. Having not looked at the video again, yet, I think that's what Abraham is saying. The tiny point of freedom is a choice that can be made in the present moment. But it's only possibility. Most people continue in the feedback loop, and are not free. So yes, for most people, the subconscious is in control. But there is a way out. There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 8, 2020 12:55:47 GMT -5
I will go back and look at this again. I essentially agree with you, that's why I said this is a tricky one. Your subconscious is like the iceberg part that below the water level, 9/10 versus the 1/10 "conscious mind". The subconscious is also like a giant ocean liner. What guides the liner? The rudder. But there is like a tiny rudder on the rudder, the trim tab. So who guides the trim tab? The Captain of the ship. But what drives the Captain? Mostly the subconscious. So the rudder guides the ship but the trim tab guides the rudder but the captain guides the trim tab but the Captain is guided by his subconscious. So is there any freedom here or is everything tied up in a massive feedback loop? The only point of freedom is in the present moment, at the wheel. So there is a very tiny gap of possible freedom, the present moment. Having not looked at the video again, yet, I think that's what Abraham is saying. The tiny point of freedom is a choice that can be made in the present moment. But it's only possibility. Most people continue in the feedback loop, and are not free. So yes, for most people, the subconscious is in control. But there is a way out. There is no subconsciousness, If there is one, then would it not report the current memory in your nightly dream? Would you not suspect like 'oh this is not my place'? There is only Consciousness! Everything is relative to something else. It seems very few here have my paradigm of SOCI (Supreme, Ordering, Conscious, Intelligence) as Originating Wholeness. I take SOCI as aware of Itself. This can also be called The Absolute. It's the Originating Creativity. It was aware of the Whole, as it Was the Whole. It Is "your" Consciousness. Now, for some reason many here consider This thus defined as a Personal God. I've never understood that, don't understand that. But, anyway, in The Absolute there is no subconscious. Now, for creation to occur, SOCI had to form a space where it isn't, a void. This Void is like a Cosmic Egg. With the formation of the Void, SOCI began the process of hiding Itself, It divided Itself into 3, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Father is self-knowing, Son is self-knowing, Holy Ghost is self-knowing, but none now knows the Whole. But The Absolute (SOCI) still exists and still is self-knowing and knows as intimately as possible Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Now, these have many names. Father Spirit, Mother Nature, ?. Yang, Yin, Pivotal Point. Left Column, Right Column, Central Column. Positive force, Negative force (in the sense of polarity, not in the sense of evil), Neutralizing Force. The 3 Gunas, Rajas, Tamas, Sattva. Now the three forces do the creating, not The Absolute. The One becoming 3 was the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. So time and space began. Subsequently, a series of triads formed all we know of, and what we don't know of. Is Gopal aware of the Whole? Please say no. But The Absolute is still aware of everything, the Whole. A sparrow doesn't die and fall to the ground without The Absolute knowing. So, correct, no subconscious in that which is aware of the Whole. But in Gopal, yes, there is the subconscious, because Gopal is not aware of what's occurring across the galaxy, or across the universe. |
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