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Post by inavalan on Apr 9, 2021 15:06:15 GMT -5
Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. Taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things is a new creation now! Any act gets attracted. Now negative things seems to be falling but sooner, it will emerge into your experience and it would re-inforce your new creation of 'taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things". Check it! If I understand you correctly, then I disagree. If you create your reality, and you focus out the negative things, as you recognize them, then who / what brings them back? They fade out as you don't feed them attention energy. Surely, that doesn't mean that other, or similar negative aspects won't cross your path, but you deal with them the same way. If you focus on negative things (e.g. stop the war), you feed them energy, give them longer existence, amplify their role. The alternative is to focus on the opposite, on the positive things (e.g. make peace). This doesn't mean not to attend to the problems at hand, nor to see the good where there's none. But, you can vote with your attention's feet! |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 10, 2021 1:34:01 GMT -5
Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. I am more on the side of actively minimizing / eliminating from your field of attention the negative aspects / persons. I'm not for waiting  I didn't mean to imply that you have to wait. But you also have to take momentum and standard time lag between thought and manifestation into account. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 7:50:13 GMT -5
Taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things is a new creation now! Any act gets attracted. Now negative things seems to be falling but sooner, it will emerge into your experience and it would re-inforce your new creation of 'taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things". Check it! Sorry, no comprendo. Maybe you can rephrase that and give an example? You were talking about dominating belief will soon creates it's reality and the other one will fall away. Right? Once upon a time, this was one of the very interesting topic for me, I believed the same. But look more carefully, you would find something else there. When you start focusing to what you want from what you don't want, that's the action too, that action gets attracts as well. So it keeps repeating, the one you would like to eradicate would never goes away. It looks like your dominate belief seems to be creating your reality when you focus on it, there is no doubt but once you are convinced you have created the reality you want, once again, it would force you back where you were from! Check it! Your desired reality moves with your undesired reality. You would be riding this experience this roller coaster of your desired reality and your undesired reality, you would be experiencing both indefinitely until you see the truth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 7:53:14 GMT -5
Taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things is a new creation now! Any act gets attracted. Now negative things seems to be falling but sooner, it will emerge into your experience and it would re-inforce your new creation of 'taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things". Check it! If I understand you correctly, then I disagree. If you create your reality, and you focus out the negative things, as you recognize them, then who / what brings them back? They fade out as you don't feed them attention energy. Surely, that doesn't mean that other, or similar negative aspects won't cross your path, but you deal with them the same way. If you focus on negative things (e.g. stop the war), you feed them energy, give them longer existence, amplify their role. The alternative is to focus on the opposite, on the positive things (e.g. make peace). This doesn't mean not to attend to the problems at hand, nor to see the good where there's none. But, you can vote with your attention's feet!You can't have one side of the stick forever, that wouldn't work in this universe. Focus on Love, you would soon create the hate as it's opposite side and then back to love and then back to hate. It moves on like this. Focus on happy, you would soon creates unhappy and then happy and then unhappy. You can never have one side of the stick forever. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 12, 2021 12:20:27 GMT -5
Sorry, no comprendo. Maybe you can rephrase that and give an example? You were talking about dominating belief will soon creates it's reality and the other one will fall away. Right? Once upon a time, this was one of the very interesting topic for me, I believed the same. But look more carefully, you would find something else there. When you start focusing to what you want from what you don't want, that's the action too, that action gets attracts as well. So it keeps repeating, the one you would like to eradicate would never goes away. It looks like your dominate belief seems to be creating your reality when you focus on it, there is no doubt but once you are convinced you have created the reality you want, once again, it would force you back where you were from! Check it! Your desired reality moves with your undesired reality. You would be riding this experience this roller coaster of your desired reality and your undesired reality, you would be experiencing both indefinitely until you see the truth. I was just talking about focus, not beliefs. So no, nothing needs to repeat here or go on a roller coaster ride. What I would agree though is that there's contrast in everything, wanted or unwanted. But that doesn't mean that you always have to experience both wanted and unwanted or that you are always oscillating between wanted or unwanted. |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 12, 2021 15:55:53 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly, then I disagree. If you create your reality, and you focus out the negative things, as you recognize them, then who / what brings them back? They fade out as you don't feed them attention energy. Surely, that doesn't mean that other, or similar negative aspects won't cross your path, but you deal with them the same way. If you focus on negative things (e.g. stop the war), you feed them energy, give them longer existence, amplify their role. The alternative is to focus on the opposite, on the positive things (e.g. make peace). This doesn't mean not to attend to the problems at hand, nor to see the good where there's none. But, you can vote with your attention's feet!You can't have one side of the stick forever, that wouldn't work in this universe. Focus on Love, you would soon create the hate as it's opposite side and then back to love and then back to hate. It moves on like this. Focus on happy, you would soon creates unhappy and then happy and then unhappy. You can never have one side of the stick forever. As I wrote, as far as I know: " likes create likes"; not "likes create opposites". Following your model, to experience happiness you have to try to feel miserable. It doesn't make sense to me. In physics, opposites attract. In life / reality, likes create likes. I see a difference between "attract" and "create", as "attract" implies that somebody else created, and in my model nobody else creates in my reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 22:33:43 GMT -5
You can't have one side of the stick forever, that wouldn't work in this universe. Focus on Love, you would soon create the hate as it's opposite side and then back to love and then back to hate. It moves on like this. Focus on happy, you would soon creates unhappy and then happy and then unhappy. You can never have one side of the stick forever. As I wrote, as far as I know: " likes create likes"; not "likes create opposites". Following your model, to experience happiness you have to try to feel miserable. It doesn't make sense to me. In physics, opposites attract. In life / reality, likes create likes. I see a difference between "attract" and "create", as "attract" implies that somebody else created, and in my model nobody else creates in my reality. Once again, I said 'like creates like', there is no doubt. If you affirm 'I am very happy', you will be creating the circumstance which makes you very happy but this happiness attracts it's opposite that is unhappiness. And then this unhappiness attracts happiness and then this happiness attracts unhappiness, this goes on indefinitely until you see the truth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 22:42:13 GMT -5
You were talking about dominating belief will soon creates it's reality and the other one will fall away. Right? Once upon a time, this was one of the very interesting topic for me, I believed the same. But look more carefully, you would find something else there. When you start focusing to what you want from what you don't want, that's the action too, that action gets attracts as well. So it keeps repeating, the one you would like to eradicate would never goes away. It looks like your dominate belief seems to be creating your reality when you focus on it, there is no doubt but once you are convinced you have created the reality you want, once again, it would force you back where you were from! Check it! Your desired reality moves with your undesired reality. You would be riding this experience this roller coaster of your desired reality and your undesired reality, you would be experiencing both indefinitely until you see the truth. I was just talking about focus, not beliefs. So no, nothing needs to repeat here or go on a roller coaster ride. What I would agree though is that there's contrast in everything, wanted or unwanted. But that doesn't mean that you always have to experience both wanted and unwanted or that you are always oscillating between wanted or unwanted. Let me take your your comment again. Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. Look at the bolder lines. I am talking about it. You are withdrawing your focus from something, that's the new creation now(Remember like attract like), so your withdrawing the attention from the negative thing start creating itself. You got me what I am saying?
More than that, you can't create your desired state or you can't eradicate something from your experience, if you do, then you have to experience the roller-coaster of your desired state and the one which you don't like to experience.
Real change happens when you really don't want the change in certain places. You have the full power to change but not by consicous effort(focusing on positive things), only when you attain the clarity.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 10:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Apr 26, 2021 10:04:33 GMT -5
There was a time in my life when money was very easy for me...I was renting out a property in the UK, working abroad in sales (I was good at the job), and the company paid for my accommodation, bills and food lol. The work itself could be challenging and stressful (same for everyone I guess), but I enjoyed it, and never gave a thought about money. Then one day, I was almost literally gifted £5000 out of nowhere. It was utterly bizarre in the way it happened, and really quite nice. It's a good example of LOA, though at the time I had never heard of LOA, and in a perfect world...I think.... folks would never have to think about it. Then again, when conditions seemingly turn bad...as they do for most folks at some point in their lives.....and our conditioning reacts negatively to those conditions (in one way there's no gap between the negative conditions and the negative conditioning), I think that's when knowing about LOA gets pretty useful. The 5k that fell into your lap reminded me of another story, from an A-H workshop. A woman was eager to manifest 12k by the end of the month but had no idea how to get there. So she did her visualizations and took score and didn't seem to get any closer. Anyway, she got a bit worked up about it and one day she was a bit distracted when she crossed the street and got run over by a truck. But she was lucky, nothing serious really. And when she got out of hospital, the insurance company handed her a check of exactly 12k as compensation. So her question to Abe was, why did she have to get run over by a truck to get the 12k? And Abe said, because that was her path of least resistance. I actually think that this LOA stuff is not for everyone. In order to benefit from those teachings and to really get it, one has to be somewhere in the vicinity of the neutral point of the emotional scale, at least periodically. Because when you just hit rock bottom despite trying really hard and exhausted all your options, be it in terms of health, relationships or finances and then someone comes along and boldly proclaims "You know, there's no such thing as incurable diseases" or "your dream partner is already waiting for you, you just need to get ready" or "it is as easy to create a castle as it is to create a button" then you are probably not having any of it and call the entire LOA stuff a scam, because after all, your situation looks like the living proof that it just doesn't work. And on the opposite end of that scale, LOA is part of an intuitive knowing anyway, so teaching someone in the passion range about LOA is like drawing a snake and adding legs to it. You'll see it in the comments here sometimes, some are annoyed by it, some find it exciting. And as you've already indicated, you can't disprove LOA with logic, so it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just that if things don't go well for someone and you point out to them how they got themselves into this and how their misery is perfectly explainable, it may feel to them like adding insult to injury instead of showing them way out of this. So, don't talk about LOA to people who are at the very bottom of that scale!  ETA: Here's a link to a blog of someone who has been trying to expose A-H as a total fraud for over a decade now. Fun to read! david-stone-writer.blog/2020/01/04/15-reasons-you-cant-trust-esther-hicks/ |
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Post by andrew on Apr 26, 2021 12:36:55 GMT -5
There was a time in my life when money was very easy for me...I was renting out a property in the UK, working abroad in sales (I was good at the job), and the company paid for my accommodation, bills and food lol. The work itself could be challenging and stressful (same for everyone I guess), but I enjoyed it, and never gave a thought about money. Then one day, I was almost literally gifted £5000 out of nowhere. It was utterly bizarre in the way it happened, and really quite nice. It's a good example of LOA, though at the time I had never heard of LOA, and in a perfect world...I think.... folks would never have to think about it. Then again, when conditions seemingly turn bad...as they do for most folks at some point in their lives.....and our conditioning reacts negatively to those conditions (in one way there's no gap between the negative conditions and the negative conditioning), I think that's when knowing about LOA gets pretty useful. The 5k that fell into your lap reminded me of another story, from an A-H workshop. A woman was eager to manifest 12k by the end of the month but had no idea how to get there. So she did her visualizations and took score and didn't seem to get any closer. Anyway, she got a bit worked up about it and one day she was a bit distracted when she crossed the street and got run over by a truck. But she was lucky, nothing serious really. And when she got out of hospital, the insurance company handed her a check of exactly 12k as compensation. So her question to Abe was, why did she have to get run over by a truck to get the 12k? And Abe said, because that was her path of least resistance. I actually think that this LOA stuff is not for everyone. In order to benefit from those teachings and to really get it, one has to be somewhere in the vicinity of the neutral point of the emotional scale, at least periodically. Because when you just hit rock bottom despite trying really hard and exhausted all your options, be it in terms of health, relationships or finances and then someone comes along and boldly proclaims "You know, there's no such thing as incurable diseases" or "your dream partner is already waiting for you, you just need to get ready" or "it is as easy to create a castle as it is to create a button" then you are probably not having any of it and call the entire LOA stuff a scam, because after all, your situation looks like the living proof that it just doesn't work. And on the opposite end of that scale, LOA is part of an intuitive knowing anyway, so teaching someone in the passion range about LOA is like drawing a snake and adding legs to it. You'll see it in the comments here sometimes, some are annoyed by it, some find it exciting. And as you've already indicated, you can't disprove LOA with logic, so it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just that if things don't go well for someone and you point out to them how they got themselves into this and how their misery is perfectly explainable, it may feel to them like adding insult to injury instead of showing them way out of this. So, don't talk about LOA to people who are at the very bottom of that scale! ETA: Here's a link to a blog of someone who has been trying to expose A-H as a total fraud for over a decade now. Fun to read! david-stone-writer.blog/2020/01/04/15-reasons-you-cant-trust-esther-hicks/Yes, good points, I just said something a little similar to laughter. LOA is not for everyone. I made a little joke in one of the Abe groups a couple of weeks ago....the Abe quote was....''We want you to be less intense about your desires''. My joke was...''That's my cue to be more intense about being less intense!'' People that don't know how to drop expectation, to allow, to detach from an outcome, to drop into a place of stillness, to just plain relax and let go....probably shouldn't start with LOA stuff. You HAVE to be able to let go of it all at times, to put it all down, to question beliefs. I know how to do that so I'm sort of okay....but I'm not blind to the way the attached mind can make a complete mess of Abe's teachings, and one can get oneself into a big old emotional pickle. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 12:52:44 GMT -5
The 5k that fell into your lap reminded me of another story, from an A-H workshop. A woman was eager to manifest 12k by the end of the month but had no idea how to get there. So she did her visualizations and took score and didn't seem to get any closer. Anyway, she got a bit worked up about it and one day she was a bit distracted when she crossed the street and got run over by a truck. But she was lucky, nothing serious really. And when she got out of hospital, the insurance company handed her a check of exactly 12k as compensation. So her question to Abe was, why did she have to get run over by a truck to get the 12k? And Abe said, because that was her path of least resistance. I actually think that this LOA stuff is not for everyone. In order to benefit from those teachings and to really get it, one has to be somewhere in the vicinity of the neutral point of the emotional scale, at least periodically. Because when you just hit rock bottom despite trying really hard and exhausted all your options, be it in terms of health, relationships or finances and then someone comes along and boldly proclaims "You know, there's no such thing as incurable diseases" or "your dream partner is already waiting for you, you just need to get ready" or "it is as easy to create a castle as it is to create a button" then you are probably not having any of it and call the entire LOA stuff a scam, because after all, your situation looks like the living proof that it just doesn't work. And on the opposite end of that scale, LOA is part of an intuitive knowing anyway, so teaching someone in the passion range about LOA is like drawing a snake and adding legs to it. You'll see it in the comments here sometimes, some are annoyed by it, some find it exciting. And as you've already indicated, you can't disprove LOA with logic, so it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just that if things don't go well for someone and you point out to them how they got themselves into this and how their misery is perfectly explainable, it may feel to them like adding insult to injury instead of showing them way out of this. So, don't talk about LOA to people who are at the very bottom of that scale! ETA: Here's a link to a blog of someone who has been trying to expose A-H as a total fraud for over a decade now. Fun to read! david-stone-writer.blog/2020/01/04/15-reasons-you-cant-trust-esther-hicks/Yes, good points, I just said something a little similar to laughter. LOA is not for everyone. I made a little joke in one of the Abe groups a couple of weeks ago....the Abe quote was....''We want you to be less intense about your desires''. My joke was...''That's my cue to be more intense about being less intense!'' People that don't know how to drop expectation, to allow, to detach from an outcome, to drop into a place of stillness, to just plain relax and let go....probably shouldn't start with LOA stuff. You HAVE to be able to let go of it all at times, to put it all down, to question beliefs. I know how to do that so I'm sort of okay....but I'm not blind to the way the attached mind can make a complete mess of Abe's teachings, and one can get oneself into a big old emotional pickle. Law of attraction works perfectly for everyone. But everyone can't create the feeling of as if something is real. That's where they fail to see the result. If you can feel as if something is real or feel as if you are being somewhere, then your creative part of the mind starts to kick in. Law of attraction works perfectly. One has to directly see to understand the beauty, book knowledge doesn't help in this place because there are many books and articles are out there about how law of attraction works,Once upon a time, I read many books, article related to Law of attraction. But those wouldn't teach anything, we have to create something for us. Once you directly see how it unfolds, then the case is over. |
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