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Post by andrew on Mar 30, 2021 10:41:08 GMT -5
 On my facebook feed just now....you think Abraham is wrong Gopal? Every person in your life carries your inner pattern, they are there in your life to bring out a certain expression in you. When you see through certain illusion, you would automatically move certain people out from your life. that can happen, yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:51:49 GMT -5
That's perfectly true! I don't deny that! In fact, that was the first thing I observed while I came to know everything is arising from inner.
But you have to go one more step to observe another fact : If you try to create Peace in your reality, Or if you feel Peace, then you would be obviously attracting situation which reflects the Peace but the very important thing is, this Peace wouldn't remain forever, it would soon attracts it's opposite and once you have experienced the enough of it's opposite once again it would define the Peace. It goes on and on until you see the truth. This is not only applicable for Peace, it's for Love, Happy as well. If you feel, then you would attract a person by whom you would experience the Love and soon you would experience the opposite(Hate).
We create people in our life with certain characteristic they perfectly play the role in our life, Once we see our inner pattern which creates the harmful person, those people will be moved away. So we don't need to forgive them, we have to see how we are creating them from our inner.
I should have said "I create" instead of 'we create' because I have no way of knowing whether other individual exist. You could be a figment in my imagination but ultimately I can't know.
Oh you are right, I should have used the word 'create' instead of 'attract' because I am creating perception. But I don't say subconsciousness creates because for me Only Consciousness that does the creation. No such division present in Consciousness, it actually creates while it perceives and that's why we don't have the control over what perception/thought arises.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 30, 2021 16:04:04 GMT -5
It is interesting to see how condescending and ironic some people talk about concepts and people they don't understand. For most people it is impossible to realize that there might be things they don't understand, and that there are others that can understand more. This is one of the reason for which "direct democracy" often fails. Not understanding it makes one misinterpret a comment in a way that you might be tempted to think that they did it on purpose. Your post made me curious to google for some criticisms, for example of Abraham. One of the critics stated that Abraham includes Jesus and Buddha, and the supporting quote offered is: “ That which Jesus was, Esther is” – Abraham. Obviously the quote means that Esther brings an out-of-this-world message, as Jesus did; nothing else. Then surely, angry comments about Abraham's position on rape, for example. Part of the quotation was “ Attention to people being raped and a feeling of irritation and irateness or anger at such injustice is the very vibration that causes you to attract it into your own experience." If one creates their own reality based on what they focus on, then it really means that by focusing on what you don't want, you attract / create it into your reality. If the critic disagree with the premise, that doesn't mean they (she) are right either. Show me a case when hate solved a problem. Even if you destroy what you hate, there will be something else to hate that will pop up. Most of the critics and their criticism have an agenda, but surely there are some honest critics too ("honest" doesn't mean "right"). Also, as even a broken clock is right twice a day, some of the criticisms may happen to be correct.  I find more fascinating the criticisms brought by insiders who became renegades, but not that they necessarily are more credible, but it shows how much people can change their perceptions they never thought they could. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 2, 2021 22:08:23 GMT -5
All, I moved the off topic discussion with Gopal here. R |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 2, 2021 22:11:29 GMT -5
 Hit the link, instant knowing that he's about to try and sell me something lol I actually don't disagree with what he said, but I think the point is slightly missed that Abe-Hicks don't say that action doesn't have to be taken, or is never taken. It's quite the reverse really, I've taken radical leaps of faith at times because I am experiencing an 'attraction'. They are leaps of faith that are only possible because I am 'compelled' by the sense of being pulled by a kind of cosmic magnet If he'd actually understood LOA, he'd also understand that trying to disprove LOA will only prove it. So all he's done there is just a strawman argument. I also find it a bit pathetic to see science paraded around as the ultimate standard of truth when it comes to spirituality. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 2, 2021 22:12:44 GMT -5
It is interesting to see how condescending and ironic some people talk about concepts and people they don't understand. For most people it is impossible to realize that there might be things they don't understand, and that there are others that can understand more. Exactly my thoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 22:39:50 GMT -5
Hit the link, instant knowing that he's about to try and sell me something lol I actually don't disagree with what he said, but I think the point is slightly missed that Abe-Hicks don't say that action doesn't have to be taken, or is never taken. It's quite the reverse really, I've taken radical leaps of faith at times because I am experiencing an 'attraction'. They are leaps of faith that are only possible because I am 'compelled' by the sense of being pulled by a kind of cosmic magnet If he'd actually understood LOA, he'd also understand that trying to disprove LOA will only prove it. So all he's done there is just a strawman argument. I also find it a bit pathetic to see science paraded around as the ultimate standard of truth when it comes to spirituality. It is easy to verify whether such a Law exist ! FEELING AS IF IT'S HAPPENING will create such an experience in our life. Most of the people could not do this feeling part of Law of attraction! But sometimes when they emotionally feel something (not deliberately ) , they can observe how that emotion would create the situation which will once again creates the same feeling . |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 6, 2021 8:28:57 GMT -5
If he'd actually understood LOA, he'd also understand that trying to disprove LOA will only prove it. So all he's done there is just a strawman argument. I also find it a bit pathetic to see science paraded around as the ultimate standard of truth when it comes to spirituality. It is easy to verify whether such a Law exist ! FEELING AS IF IT'S HAPPENING will create such an experience in our life. Most of the people could not do this feeling part of Law of attraction! But sometimes when they emotionally feel something (not deliberately ) , they can observe how that emotion would create the situation which will once again creates the same feeling . Well, let's just say that LOA is a lot easier to prove than solipsism, hehe. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 8:48:30 GMT -5
It is easy to verify whether such a Law exist ! FEELING AS IF IT'S HAPPENING will create such an experience in our life. Most of the people could not do this feeling part of Law of attraction! But sometimes when they emotionally feel something (not deliberately ) , they can observe how that emotion would create the situation which will once again creates the same feeling . Well, let's just say that LOA is a lot easier to prove than solipsism, hehe. Nope, seeing the fact of other people existence can't be known is pretty easy than seeing the truth of like attracts like! |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 6, 2021 14:29:14 GMT -5
solipsism = the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to existexist = have objective reality or being faith = complete trust or confidence in someone or something  |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 6, 2021 14:35:41 GMT -5
Resisting evil means attracting evil
Abe: If you are resisting anything, you are focused upon it, pushing against it, and activating the vibration of it – and therefore attracting that which is like it. You can resist something by not focusing on it, but focusing on the alternative you prefer. Don't be reactive; be actively creative! The ideas of "vibrations" and "attracting" are too "physical" and "ego centered" for me. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2021 9:42:12 GMT -5
Resisting evil means attracting evil
Abe: If you are resisting anything, you are focused upon it, pushing against it, and activating the vibration of it – and therefore attracting that which is like it. You can resist something by not focusing on it, but focusing on the alternative you prefer. Don't be reactive; be actively creative! The ideas of "vibrations" and "attracting" are too "physical" and "ego centered" for me. Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 11:52:14 GMT -5
You can resist something by not focusing on it, but focusing on the alternative you prefer. Don't be reactive; be actively creative! The ideas of "vibrations" and "attracting" are too "physical" and "ego centered" for me. Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. Taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things is a new creation now! Any act gets attracted. Now negative things seems to be falling but sooner, it will emerge into your experience and it would re-inforce your new creation of 'taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things". Check it! |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2021 12:08:22 GMT -5
Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. Taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things is a new creation now! Any act gets attracted. Now negative things seems to be falling but sooner, it will emerge into your experience and it would re-inforce your new creation of 'taking off your focus from negative things and focusing on the positive things". Check it! Sorry, no comprendo. Maybe you can rephrase that and give an example? |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 9, 2021 14:58:11 GMT -5
You can resist something by not focusing on it, but focusing on the alternative you prefer. Don't be reactive; be actively creative! The ideas of "vibrations" and "attracting" are too "physical" and "ego centered" for me. Yes, in an attraction based universe, the only way to get rid of something is by withdrawing attention from it. Which means in practical terms, instead of focusing on the negative aspects of someone/something and trying to fix those as society teaches us, it would be a lot more effective to just look for and focus on the positive aspects of someone/something until those become predominant and the negative aspects fade into the background. But that's often easier said than done, hehe. We've got a saying here, only ego is ever interested in fighting/overcoming ego. I am more on the side of actively minimizing / eliminating from your field of attention the negative aspects / persons. I'm not for waiting |
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