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Post by Reefs on Mar 28, 2021 0:40:35 GMT -5
Regarding satisfaction: my guidance on the desirable emotional state is to be proud of, and confident in yourself. (it isn't about love). To think, choose, act in order to feel so. That's similar. Another way of reading the emotional scale is self-empowerment on one end, powerlessness on the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 0:42:40 GMT -5
Once you see the truth of reading is also a kind of seeking, you would stop doing so. And also once you know the greater truth of you are creating your own world and clarity has the power to change your world, you would give up all these reading because you know you are just exploring your boundaries with these readings. After all, what we are talking about here is the living truth, not some kind of final logical conclusion. THIS is a living thing (or no-thing). And no attempt trying to capture THIS will ever fully capture THIS. So in that sense, there's no end to exploring THIS and always new and slightly different ways of describing or pointing to THIS to discover. So if you are a slave to the living truth, aka truthin', then there's no room for that kind of closed-mindedness. Sure, let's disagree! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 0:48:24 GMT -5
Yes, I'm aware of that. And I can accept that and also respect that. I usually see other teachers as either a tool on the path or a source of inspiration, not actually truth givers, because (as Abe say), words don't teach, only life experience does. So whatever insights we gather from others, we have to integrate somehow or else it would be just information, not real knowledge. In that sense, it's probably not fair to call one teacher better than another teacher without giving any context, because a lot of teachings which I would consider highly misleading now, at one point did help me a lot in terms of gaining greater clarity. So looking at it that way, it's all good as long as one doesn't get stuck with a specific teacher or teaching or concept. I am always looking for a better, more efficient way of pointing. That's basically my motivation behind exploring other teachers and teachings. They have differing backgrounds, vocabulary and ways of approaching one and the same subject. I actually think that Jane distorted a great deal of Seth's information. Seth mentioned that from time to time that Jane at times blocked certain information. Seth usually had a particularly hard time getting thru with information about God and religion. Esther, on the other hand, seems to be a much purer channel. Abraham once said that Esther is almost an ideal channel because she had almost no strong opinions about anything. Quite the opposite to Jane. In the past, Abe spoke of a triad of intentions that every one of us has: freedom, growth and joy. And when these 3 are in balance, life is good. They explained that freedom is basically a given, growth is more or less inevitable and so joy then would be the only thing we should really care about. They argued that if we make growth our number one goal, as most humans do because that's what society teaches us, then the triad gets out of balance, freedom and joy get neglected and we feel like little ants carrying a heavy load. Nowadays, they don't talk about joy so much, they've replaced it with satisfaction. And I think that's a much better way of explaining it. Because joy only describes the top end of the emotional scale. And no one really stays there forever. Satisfaction, however, can have different flavors, there's the quiet kind like contentment (the middle point of the emotional scale) and then there's the more exuberant kind like passion and elation (the top end of the emotional scale). So you see, even Abe's teaching is evolving somehow, nevertheless the core message remains one and the same. And looking at it that way, maybe you can find that approach meaningful, too. But in any case, what I always recommend is to stick with what you've realized yourself, don't let anyone talk you into or out of something by means of clever logic or fancy rhetoric or impressive guru quotes. But also keep an open mind, even people you disagree with 99% of the time may have something valuable to offer at times. I've read many really really bad books in terms of content and accuracy, but often there was one phrase or idea that was just so on point that it made reading the book worthwhile again. And that's the approach I would suggest in these discussions. Abe usually suggest to approach relationships or life in general as you would approach a buffet, i.e. you choose and pick the pieces you like and leave the rest where it is. There's no point in putting something on your plate and in your mouth that you know you won't enjoy, just because it's been there on the table. That makes sense. Regarding satisfaction: my inner-guidance on the desirable emotional state is to be proud of, and confident in yourself. (it isn't about love). To think, choose, act in order to feel so. All our life is traveling in an unending roller-coaster of happy and unhappy. If happy side goes up, then another side goes too down. If suffering goes deeper, then happy side ebbs too high! Feeling good or feeling peaceful, feeling Love attracts it's opposite,When we start to attract particular feeling with our conscious effort, then we are actually distracting our rollercoaster. Feeling Peaceful attracts unpeaceful situation, Feeling happy attracts suffering, Feeling Love attracts Hate.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 28, 2021 2:13:40 GMT -5
That makes sense. Regarding satisfaction: my inner-guidance on the desirable emotional state is to be proud of, and confident in yourself. (it isn't about love). To think, choose, act in order to feel so. All our life is traveling in an unending roller-coaster of happy and unhappy. If happy side goes up, then another side goes too down. If suffering goes deeper, then happy side ebbs too high! Feeling good or feeling peaceful, feeling Love attracts it's opposite,When we start to attract particular feeling with our conscious effort, then we are actually distracting our rollercoaster. Feeling Peaceful attracts unpeaceful situation, Feeling happy attracts suffering, Feeling Love attracts Hate.
I actually believe the opposite: our emotions materialize in situations that create the same kind of emotions (e.g. fear generates more fear, anger more anger, ...). The worst emotion is fear, anger and hate are a close second. All three degenerate in each others. Love is okay, just it implies stagnation. Contentment in itself similarly. In my opinion feeling proud of what you are, meaning what you think, the choices you make, your actions is the best to emotionally be; it is stimulative, rewarding. Confidence in yourself is a necessary ingredient. Because we talk about it there is another big one: forgiveness (you should forgive those people who have caused harm in your life). Forgiveness, however, is a misunderstood concept. Thanks to self-help and new age movements, it is often thought to be about accepting what has happened to you. No. Forgiveness doesn’t mean you need to accept what a person has done to you. It just means that you are not willing to carry the emotional burden caused by that person anymore. Even realizing this, there are some people who are not willing to forgive people in their lives. But think of it this way: you are only doing this to yourself. By constantly thinking about revenge and what that person did to you, those people have already won. In reality, the best revenge is indifference. You just don’t allow these people to continue to hurt you or make any difference in your life. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 28, 2021 6:34:50 GMT -5
That makes sense. Regarding satisfaction: my inner-guidance on the desirable emotional state is to be proud of, and confident in yourself. (it isn't about love). To think, choose, act in order to feel so. All our life is traveling in an unending roller-coaster of happy and unhappy. If happy side goes up, then another side goes too down. If suffering goes deeper, then happy side ebbs too high! Feeling good or feeling peaceful, feeling Love attracts it's opposite,When we start to attract particular feeling with our conscious effort, then we are actually distracting our rollercoaster. Feeling Peaceful attracts unpeaceful situation, Feeling happy attracts suffering, Feeling Love attracts Hate.
That might be true in your experience, but not necessarily in another's experience. In someone else's experience, feeling peaceful could attract more situations that engender peace for that someone. Suffering could attract more situations that engender suffering for that someone. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 6:51:30 GMT -5
All our life is traveling in an unending roller-coaster of happy and unhappy. If happy side goes up, then another side goes too down. If suffering goes deeper, then happy side ebbs too high! Feeling good or feeling peaceful, feeling Love attracts it's opposite,When we start to attract particular feeling with our conscious effort, then we are actually distracting our rollercoaster. Feeling Peaceful attracts unpeaceful situation, Feeling happy attracts suffering, Feeling Love attracts Hate.
is okay, just it implies stagnation. Contentment in itself similarly. In my opinion feeling proud of what you are, meaning what you think, the choices you make, your actions is the best to emotionally be; it is stimulative, rewarding. Confidence in yourself is a necessary ingredient.
That's perfectly true! I don't deny that! Infact, that was the first thing I observed while I came to know everything is arising from inner.
But you have to go one more step to observe another fact : If you try to create Peace in your reality, Or if you feel Peace, then you would be obviously attracting situation which reflects the Peace but the very important thing is, this Peace wouldn't remain forever, it would soon attracts it's opposite and once you have experienced the enough of it's opposite once again it would define the Peace. It goes on and on until you see the truth. This is not only applicable for Peace, it's for Love, Happy as well. If you feel, then you would attract a person by whom you would experience the Love and soon you would experience the opposite(Hate).
We create people in our life with certain characteristic they perfectly play the role in our life, Once we see our inner pattern which creates the harmful person, those people will be moved away. So we don't need to forgive them, we have to see how we are creating them from our inner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 6:56:42 GMT -5
All our life is traveling in an unending roller-coaster of happy and unhappy. If happy side goes up, then another side goes too down. If suffering goes deeper, then happy side ebbs too high! Feeling good or feeling peaceful, feeling Love attracts it's opposite,When we start to attract particular feeling with our conscious effort, then we are actually distracting our rollercoaster. Feeling Peaceful attracts unpeaceful situation, Feeling happy attracts suffering, Feeling Love attracts Hate.
That might be true in your experience, but not necessarily in another's experience. In someone else's experience, feeling peaceful could attract more situations that engender peace for that someone. Suffering could attract more situations that engender suffering for that someone. That surely happens, I don't deny it. Feeling Peaceful creates the peaceful circumstance but this circumstance wouldn't last long,it would attract it's opposite and then once again back to Peace and then it's opposite and then Peace. It goes on and on. It would never comes to an end unless we see this truth. I have gotten my greater freedom when I see this rollercoaster. Until then I was chasing the one side of the rollercoaster. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 29, 2021 10:12:32 GMT -5
That might be true in your experience, but not necessarily in another's experience. In someone else's experience, feeling peaceful could attract more situations that engender peace for that someone. Suffering could attract more situations that engender suffering for that someone. That surely happens, I don't deny it. Feeling Peaceful creates the peaceful circumstance but this circumstance wouldn't last long,it would attract it's opposite and then once again back to Peace and then it's opposite and then Peace. It goes on and on. It would never comes to an end unless we see this truth. I have gotten my greater freedom when I see this rollercoaster. Until then I was chasing the one side of the rollercoaster. Yes, I'm sure you observed what was happening in your experience correctly. But I also think it's very possible that the structure of your beliefs were creating this rollercoaster effect. Someone with a different belief structure may not create this rollercoaster effect, and also observe what is happening in their experience correctly. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 29, 2021 10:24:23 GMT -5
 On my facebook feed just now....you think Abraham is wrong Gopal? |
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 12:36:07 GMT -5
Love is okay, just it implies stagnation. Contentment in itself similarly. In my opinion feeling proud of what you are, meaning what you think, the choices you make, your actions is the best to emotionally be; it is stimulative, rewarding. Confidence in yourself is a necessary ingredient.
That's perfectly true! I don't deny that! In fact, that was the first thing I observed while I came to know everything is arising from inner.
But you have to go one more step to observe another fact : If you try to create Peace in your reality, Or if you feel Peace, then you would be obviously attracting situation which reflects the Peace but the very important thing is, this Peace wouldn't remain forever, it would soon attracts it's opposite and once you have experienced the enough of it's opposite once again it would define the Peace. It goes on and on until you see the truth. This is not only applicable for Peace, it's for Love, Happy as well. If you feel, then you would attract a person by whom you would experience the Love and soon you would experience the opposite(Hate).
We create people in our life with certain characteristic they perfectly play the role in our life, Once we see our inner pattern which creates the harmful person, those people will be moved away. So we don't need to forgive them, we have to see how we are creating them from our inner.
As a general observation, not only referring to that last paragraph ... When you say "we create" you have to identify clearly what is that "we". Is it the "you" that thinks now, when awake (not sleeping), is it another part of a larger you? "We" have to have a clear model of "what" we are, in order both to understand ourselves, and to efficiently communicate to others. I kind of have a problem with "attraction" too. I believe that "materialization" describes better what's happening. Your subconscious creates, it doesn't attract something created by something / somebody else. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 30, 2021 5:07:59 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Mar 30, 2021 9:10:22 GMT -5
 Hit the link, instant knowing that he's about to try and sell me something lol I actually don't disagree with what he said, but I think the point is slightly missed that Abe-Hicks don't say that action doesn't have to be taken, or is never taken. It's quite the reverse really, I've taken radical leaps of faith at times because I am experiencing an 'attraction'. They are leaps of faith that are only possible because I am 'compelled' by the sense of being pulled by a kind of cosmic magnet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 10:21:16 GMT -5
That surely happens, I don't deny it. Feeling Peaceful creates the peaceful circumstance but this circumstance wouldn't last long,it would attract it's opposite and then once again back to Peace and then it's opposite and then Peace. It goes on and on. It would never comes to an end unless we see this truth. I have gotten my greater freedom when I see this rollercoaster. Until then I was chasing the one side of the rollercoaster. Yes, I'm sure you observed what was happening in your experience correctly. But I also think it's very possible that the structure of your beliefs were creating this rollercoaster effect. Someone with a different belief structure may not create this rollercoaster effect, and also observe what is happening in their experience correctly. Our observation leads to the belief, Is it not? Belief creates the reality is all about Law of attraction, but we are not creating gravity using our belief, our observation towards the gravity created the belief, Likewise, I haven't believed to bring the rollercoaster into my existence, I have observed and started to believe it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 10:22:48 GMT -5
On my facebook feed just now....you think Abraham is wrong Gopal? Every person in your life carries your inner pattern, they are there in your life to bring out a certain expression in you. When you see through certain illusion, you would automatically move certain people out from your life. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 30, 2021 10:39:39 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure you observed what was happening in your experience correctly. But I also think it's very possible that the structure of your beliefs were creating this rollercoaster effect. Someone with a different belief structure may not create this rollercoaster effect, and also observe what is happening in their experience correctly. Our observation leads to the belief, Is it not? Belief creates the reality is all about Law of attraction, but we are not creating gravity using our belief, our observation towards the gravity created the belief, Likewise, I haven't believed to bring the rollercoaster into my existence, I have observed and started to believe it. I think it goes both ways i.e observation leads to belief, and belief leads to observation. I see gravity as different from the rollercoaster, in that gravity is caused by a deep belief, so whether you consciously believe in gravity or not, gravity happens. I think the rollercoaster effect is a learned pattern of beliefs i.e it is more conscious. So a baby that hasn't learned the rollercoaster won't yet be subject to it. Again, I'm sure you observed the rollercoaster correctly, but perhaps you have not noted the beliefs that cause it. |
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